Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Tymminator]

or use give X-men back to marvel so they can ruin X-men like spider-man with stark and others overshadowing X-men.

Spider-man was overshadowed by NOBODY and far from ruined.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

thing is the comics are right because they are the comics, the original source material, if the films do something different then it instantly gets compared to the comics and its then bad because its different.

How about giving the fans what they paid their $ for? The fans are smarter now their not gonna keep paying for this ********. Just give the fans what they know from the comics games and show. Why do they keep fighting again the audience.

 

[YoungBlood]

thing is the comics are right because they are the comics, the original source material, if the films do something different then it instantly gets compared to the comics and its then bad because its different.

And yes i know sometimes certain changes are bad like deadpool in origins but if that version of deadpool did appear in the comics it wouldn't be seen as bad because it was in the comics but because it wasn't... its an insult to the source material.

And also everyone has their own take on the source material, i mean i seen comments on twitter where people hate that storm is a thief in apocalypse and feels its an insult to the character because she is meant to be a "princess" or something to that degree so when it comes to the source material apparently people could argue all day about thats ok to do in live action and what isn't

Guess they don't take to account that there are different incarnations of a character (ex. X-Men Evolution).

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Do you guys think there's a chance Fox blames the box office on the younger cast and they decide to bring back the older cast? I think they look at the box office of TLS and DoFP and see some familiar names and wonder if the new cast just didn't latch on with people.

Perhaps. Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian are bonafide box office draws. Famke, James and Kelsey are beloved actors. They lost a LOT when they let that cast go.

But if they had cast actors of similar caliber as the above in the core roles of Xavier, Storm, Jean, Logan, Scott, etc.,. we probably wouldn't have some of these problems. It's a cast of unknowns. That factor, combined with the Singer/Kinberg mess is guaranteed to create a lukewarm response.

Truth is...very few of us even wanted First Class--or that line-up of mutants. So the whole thing was set off on the wrong foot in my opinion.

 

[Smilodon]

Do you guys think there's a chance Fox blames the box office on the younger cast and they decide to bring back the older cast? I think they look at the box office of TLS and DoFP and see some familiar names and wonder if the new cast just didn't latch on with people.

Nah if anything, Deadpool's success should give them the confidence to know it's about quality that matters. If they don't make it quality, then they won't come. Simple as that. Quality means being a good film, whether that means we get super faithful adaptations or people looking like Jim Lee drew them and so forth.

At this point, asking for a focus on the OT cast is like people trying to get Christian Bale back for the DCCU. We gotta move on beyond past successes. (If we can even call the vast majority of the OT cast's interpretation as successes)

 

[marvelrobbins]

Do you guys think there's a chance Fox blames the box office on the younger cast and they decide to bring back the older cast? I think they look at the box office of TLS and DoFP and see some familiar names and wonder if the new cast just didn't latch on with people.

no.all the blame will be on singer.who is now gone from films.

they have younger cast from apocalypse on contract for 2 more films.Evan peter may have another film on his contract.cheaper going forward with them than bringing back original cast.which is unlikely without hugh jackman.even if they could get jackman to return it's more likely they would put him with younger cast of apocalypse.

Jennifer lawrence,and possibly Michael fassbender may be gone because of their high salary.Fassbender is bit more likely than lawrence since he often is in other fox films alien prequels and assassins creed but they could decide it is cheaper without him.

 

[Tymminator]

I wonder why they nixed the idea of an extended cut for this film on bluray?

 

[thecatacombs]

That's because the new trilogy was ultimately a pointless one. It rehashed everything from the old trilogy (villains not withstanding although Stryker is here again) and took us back in time, only to undo everything. A pointless exercise.

They were handicapped by the timeline and the liberties they took only made things worst. Originally, the trilogy was supposed to end with DoFP to recon the events in TLS. They also wanted to show how the X-Men came together, since they were shafted in the OT.

What we got? A prequel in the 60's that not only didn't fit the continuity but didn't establish the X-Men we know and love. Really a pointless decent film.

They undid TLS, but not without consequences. It negated the OT while having no intentions to continue with the old cast. They just wanted a satisfying conclusion for those actors/characters by wiping out that timeline entirely.

Then we get the film of how the X-Men came together. Pretty average movie that was long overdue but poorly executed.

So long story short, we got a trilogy we never needed. Of course people are going to get bored.

The solution as I've laid out, take a breather. Five years preferably. Then make an X-Men movie that plays out like TAS, without being as comedic or light hearted as the MCU. That's the only rationale thing left to do.

No 5 years is wayyy to long, they already took a breather before. There should be no reason why Fox Xmen shouldn't be getting 1 billion at the box-office like Marvel/Disney are. They dont need a breather they need to get a whole new team and get rid of kinberg/singer, problem solved.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I wonder why they nixed the idea of an extended cut for this film on bluray?

why would people want one if they dislike apocalypse so much?

 

[Tilapia]

Honestly, the FC trilogy just felt like a makeup for all the shortcomings of the OT, but it still doesn't work because they did away with the good things from the OT. Why are audiences supposed to care when you remove things they previously responded to? Nobody likes a do over, unless you are the person that ****ed things up in the first place.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

No 5 years is wayyy to long, they already took a breather before. There should be no reason why Fox Xmen shouldn't be getting 1 billion at the box-office like Marvel/Disney are. They dont need a breather they need to get a whole new team and get rid of kinberg/singer, problem solved.

It could be so simple.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Perhaps. Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian are bonafide box office draws. Famke, James and Kelsey are beloved actors. They lost a LOT when they let that cast go.

Just think though they have tye, sophie, kodi and whoever else as young up and coming actors with tye about to be in Spielberg's ready player one... so you say "They lost a LOT when they let that cast go" perhaps they will let alot go if they lose this current cast also.

Halle berry is most certainly not a box office draw, patrick and ian are appreciated in the roles, jackman only makes big money when he is with the other cast member for some reason, its like jenga apparently, if you take to many way it falls apart i guess.

 

[Tymminator]

why would people want one if they dislike apocalypse so much?

Extended cuts are sometimes better. The Wolverine extended cut is better to me by a long mile for instance.

But you have a pointing at if it is perceived as poor, there is no incentive for the studio to spend money to make a extended cut.

 

[def28]

thing is the comics are right because they are the comics, the original source material, if the films do something different then it instantly gets compared to the comics and its then bad because its different.

And yes i know sometimes certain changes are bad like deadpool in origins but if that version of deadpool did appear in the comics it wouldn't be seen as bad because it was in the comics but because it wasn't... its an insult to the source material.

And also everyone has their own take on the source material, i mean i seen comments on twitter where people hate that storm is a thief in apocalypse and feels its an insult to the character because she is meant to be a "princess" or something to that degree so when it comes to the source material apparently people could argue all day about thats ok to do in live action and what isn't

You have to take why these characters work and apply that to the screen. If you don't then what's the point? I'm not talking exact adaptations, but more so relationships and characteristics. If you ignore those then these films get bashed.

With Storm, complaining she's a thief is dumb. But there isn't much to her otherwise in this film. Making her a thief isn't why she has readers buying books for years. They have yet to show why she is such a respected character. Likewise with a ton of X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Honestly, the FC trilogy just felt like a makeup for all the shortcomings of the OT, but it still doesn't work because they did away with the good things from the OT. Why are audiences supposed to care when you remove things they previously responded to? Nobody likes a do over, unless you are the person that ****ed things up in the first place.

And what it that that they did away with?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Also, I don't know it's factually correct that Marvel goes for big name stars. Sometimes they do. But, some of their cast members are people who are rising and promising but have yet to break out. Chris Pratt rose to the A-list *after* GOTG. Did you know who Tom Holland was before he was cast as Spider-Man? Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth were not on the A-list before getting a Marvel gig. Was say Elizabeth Olsen really a household name before she was cast as Scarlett Witch. What about Chadwick Boseman? They were not huge celebrities when they got these roles.

It's all about presentation though. Marvel mixes it up and pairs up-and-coming stars with A-listers. For every Chris Evans there's a Samuel L. Jones. For every Chris Hemsworth there's an Anthony Hopkins, Natalie Portman or Cate Blanchett. For every Tom Holland, there's a Robert Downey Jr, etc. They surround their young actors with acclaimed, celebrated talent.

In contrast, FOX goes for like...all unknowns and just hopes one of them makes it. And if one of them does (like Jennifer Lawrence) they jump all over it and overexpose and abuse that actor's character to the point of stupidity.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It could be so simple.

Singer is already gone.if FF didn't make Kinberg lose fiath with Fox why would apocalypse.

The X-men films are never going to make billion dollar at box office inless they do away with seriousness,darkness,and all alegery.making them MCU clones
without avengers characters overshadowing them.

 

[Double B]

Truth is...very few of us even wanted First Class--or that line-up of mutants. So the whole thing was set off on the wrong foot in my opinion.

But but but Mystique, Banshee.... ANGEL SALVADORE.

 

[sleekstereo]

Perhaps. Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian are bonafide box office draws. Famke, James and Kelsey are beloved actors. They lost a LOT when they let that cast go.

But if they had cast actors of similar caliber as the above in the core roles of Xavier, Storm, Jean, Logan, Scott, etc.,. we probably wouldn't have some of these problems. It's a cast of unknowns. That factor, combined with the Singer/Kinberg mess is guaranteed to create a lukewarm response.

Truth is...very few of us even wanted First Class--or that line-up of mutants. So the whole thing was set off on the wrong foot in my opinion.

Sophie is not a unknown though, well especially in the nerd community.

The rest are, but what they need is to be exposed in other films. Ty is going to blow up in the next year or two, especially being cast as lead in Ready Player One.

Kodi and Alexandria need to land more roles to expose themselves, and they'll have three to four years to do that.

 

[Blade X]

Exactly. Make the focus the X-Men.

Sadly, the filmmakers seem to think that the X-Men refers to any mutants who appear in the comics.

 

[Wildcard]

DOFP did give the franchise some good will but for some reason Apocalypse always felt a tad rushed to me and the lack of Wolverine always made me leery of it's prospects. My feelings on it making about 200 mil were shaken after the trailer was released.

Yeah Apocalypse ain't outdoing Deadpool from what I gather after reading the box office theory forums.

Agreed. They didn't build towards Apocalypse properly, they just went right for it & from the looks of it was just as wasted as characters like Storm, Psylocke, etc.

You know there's a problem when DP's villain (a street villain, basically) has more character than a being who is supposed to be a global threat.

And yeah, it's definitely a done deal. XMA's opening weekend is sitting at $65 million right now whereas DP chalked up $130+ million its first weekend. No way in hell this movie does more business.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just think though they have tye, sophie, kodi and whoever else as young up and coming actors with tye about to be in Spielberg's ready player one... so you say "They lost a LOT when they let that cast go" perhaps they will let alot go if they lose this current cast also.

Halle berry is most certainly not a box office draw, patrick and ian are appreciated in the roles, jackman only makes big money when he is with the other cast member for some reason, its like jenga apparently, if you take to many way it falls apart i guess.

Um, incorrect. Halle Berry alone still has more star power with general audiences than Sophie, Tye and Alexandra combined. And don't even get me started on the power of Patrick, Ian and Hugh. They outrank these new kids 10 to 1. Come on now.

 

[sleekstereo]

It's all about presentation though. Marvel mixes it up and pairs up-and-coming stars with A-listers. For every Chris Evans there's a Samuel L. Jones. For every Chris Hemsworth there's an Anthony Hopkins, Natalie Portman or Cate Blanchett. For every Tom Holland, there's a Robert Downey Jr, etc. They surround their young actors with acclaimed, celebrated talent.

In contrast, FOX goes for like...all unknowns and just hopes one of them makes it. And if one of them does (like Jennifer Lawrence) they jump all over it and overexpose and abuse that actor's character to the point of stupidity.

Michael and James were not unknowns when First Class was released though. James alone was in commercial and critical acclaimed movies.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Singer is already gone.if FF didn't make Kinberg lose fiath with Fox why would apocalypse.

The X-men films are never going to make billion dollar at box office inless they do away with seriousness,darkness,and all alegery.making them MCU clones
without avengers characters overshadowing them.

The X-Men have to look like The X-Men from comics and have actual dialogue and use team work and establish relationships from the cannon a e give fans a reason to care. And have better fight choreography.

That doesn't mean MCU clone.


Get rid of Singer because the internet hates him
Get rid of Kinberg because the internet hates him
Get rid of Lawrence because the internet hates her
Get José to make the comic accurate costumes

Let's start building up good will

 

[Matt]

I'm late to the game and admittedly have not been paying much attention...did this movie do poorly? Has Singer been fired? I thought he was planning to do Dark Phoenix next?