Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[RLAAMJR.]

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[Docker2.0]

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[ciscostudent561]

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[chamber-music]

Though a change in director and writers are ways to address the disappointing BO, a long term concern is that the X-Men are nowhere near as popular as they were during their 90s hey day. Singer's first film was green lit based largely on the popularity of the animated series and arcade game. But the preteens who grew up watching that show and playing the side scroller are now well into their 30s and the last animated program went off the air in 2009. Where are the new X-Men fans expected to come from?

A core reason is the split rights arrangement between Disney and FOX, and can be seen in the treatment of New Mutants vs Black Panther. Both have films in 2018, but one character had a star turn in a billion dollar film, a high profile comic from an award winning author, action figures, Halloween costumes, etc. The FOX characters, on the other hand, have zero visibility.

Disney pushed Deadpool prior to his BO smash and the two studios are collaborating on TV, so there's hope we'll see more cooperation going forward. I think it's essential for FOX to keep the series viable.

I think Marvel have let the X-Men slowly wither on the vine for the last decade. There have been bright spots in the comics but it is pretty clear the brand is less of a priority for them these days and has thus become less popular.

The nineties X-Men boom and the post 2000 runs of Morrison and Whedon seem to be over. Everything is circular so eventually the X-Men will probably be huge again but it definitely feels like the overall X-Men brand has fallen out of fashion a little bit in recent years.

 

[kevork89]

^^^ Yes completely agree with both yours and zarex posts. I was coming in here to post the same thing. That no matter what X-Men isn't popular. You can ask any person on the street now who is Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, Ant-Man, Hawkeye etc and they will know. Ask them to name an X-Men character and you'll probably get Wolverine. Maybe Storm and Cyclops. They're not a big deal anymore like they used to be. The 90s and early 00s were when the X-Men were at the height of their popularity. But there's nothing there for them to be hooked into the new generation. No toys or cartoons. All of my nephews don't want to watch X-Men. They don't like them. But they'll watch every marvel movie. All of my cousins and nephews have avengers toys but they don't know any X-Men. Look at the cast even. When Jen was cast she had never watched X-Men. Same for Tye. But James, Michael, Oscar, Olivia knew them because they were around for them during the height of their popularity. Kodi, Sophie, Alexandra had seen the movies.

I think what Fox need is that extra support from marvel. But they also need to be smarter. Look you can cast relative unknowns for roles. Yes it has worked with Hugh and Jen but you also need to realise that the actors you cast need to have a certain amount of buzz behind them. That's why Marvel win when it comes to casting. They've made so many smart decisions when it comes to casting. To me they haven't casted wrong at all.

 

[ciscostudent561]

^^^ Yes completely agree with both yours and zarex posts. I was coming in here to post the same thing. That no matter what X-Men isn't popular. You can ask any person on the street now who is Captain America, Black Widow, Thor, Ant-Man, Hawkeye etc and they will know. Ask them to name an X-Men character and you'll probably get Wolverine. Maybe Storm and Cyclops. They're not a big deal anymore like they used to be. The 90s and early 00s were when the X-Men were at the height of their popularity. But there's nothing there for them to be hooked into the new generation. No toys or cartoons. All of my nephews don't want to watch X-Men. They don't like them. But they'll watch every marvel movie. All of my cousins and nephews have avengers toys but they don't know any X-Men. Look at the cast even. When Jen was cast she had never watched X-Men. Same for Tye. But James, Michael, Oscar, Olivia knew them because they were around for them during the height of their popularity. Kodi, Sophie, Alexandra had seen the movies.

I think what Fox need is that extra support from marvel. But they also need to be smarter. Look you can cast relative unknowns for roles. Yes it has worked with Hugh and Jen but you also need to realise that the actors you cast need to have a certain amount of buzz behind them. That's why Marvel win when it comes to casting. They've made so many smart decisions when it comes to casting. To me they haven't casted wrong at all.

Good points about the over all appeal of the X-men.
Fox and Marvel are not on good terms though so I don't see either working together, though it would be nice.

 

[Spiderine]

This franchise is 16 years old. I just think its growing stale and getting repetitive. They have been releasing a film every 2 or 3 years since 2000. They have gone through cast changes and the continuity/timelines is bizarre. As good as DOFP was and getting the old band back together it couldn't outdo a previous Xfilm from 2006 domestically. That speaks volumes when ticket prices have risen. I think they lost some of the older audience and failed to gain new ones with this latest flick.

 

[DavidHaller]

to be fair, the X-Men movies did not particularly cater to children while Disney mainly produces feel-good family Marvel movies to be able to sell toys and merchandise to little children...Disney is not so much about quality movies but about the merchandise possibilities.

But for sure Marvel's strategy to block X-Men from this particular young tageted group (no cartoon shows anymore, no toys, no merchandise, barely any comic book series etc.) will help to undermine the X-Men as a brand for sure!

Without playing to much into conspiracy theories but blocking Fox from showing X-Men at IMAX cinemas with Alice suely also had an influence on the boxoffice.

 

[MadVillainy]

This franchise is 16 years old. I just think its growing stale and getting repetitive. They have been releasing a film every 2 or 3 years since 2000. They have gone through cast changes and the continuity/timelines is bizarre. As good as DOFP was and getting the old band back together it couldn't outdo a previous Xfilm from 2006 domestically. That speaks volumes when ticket prices have risen. I think they lost some of the older audience and failed to gain new ones with this latest flick.

Nail on the head.


And honestly I dont know what X-Men can do, moving forward, in order to keep the series going strong.

 

[kevork89]

This franchise is 16 years old. I just think its growing stale and getting repetitive. They have been releasing a film every 2 or 3 years since 2000. They have gone through cast changes and the continuity/timelines is bizarre. As good as DOFP was and getting the old band back together it couldn't outdo a previous Xfilm from 2006 domestically. That speaks volumes when ticket prices have risen. I think they lost some of the older audience and failed to gain new ones with this latest flick.

That's just it I don't even know if they've gained many new fans. I'd say the people who've stuck around with the franchise are still here. I've been here since day 1. Not saying there aren't new fans but yeah I think the people who are seeing it are the true fans. And yes the timeline change, dated eras etc are all a factor into why it's not measuring up and performing like it should be.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Good points about the over all appeal of the X-men.
Fox and Marvel are not on good terms though so I don't see either working together, though it would be nice.

Marvel doesn't care about X-Men since Disney bought marvel.You had merchandice for origins In 2009 after iron Man hit it big In 2008.

As long as Fox makes X-Men films it's not going to change.I am sure some
will rush to defend Disney,and accuse me of being fox employee.

Inless Fox suddenly falls Into Sony shape,which part of me wouldn't be sad
about with my contempt of Rupert Murdock,things aren't going to change.
Since they transited to colorful costumes at end of apocalypse I am sure they will continue with it for future films.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

to be fair, the X-Men movies did not particularly cater to children while Disney mainly produces feel-good family Marvel movies to be able to sell toys and merchandise to little children...Disney is not so much about quality movies but about the merchandise possibilities.

I guess Disney is just lucky that they've constantly put out high quality products in the last eight months or so.

 

[kevork89]

to be fair, the X-Men movies did not particularly cater to children while Disney mainly produces feel-good family Marvel movies to be able to sell toys and merchandise to little children...Disney is not so much about quality movies but about the merchandise possibilities.

But for sure Marvel's strategy to block X-Men from this particular young tageted group (no cartoon shows anymore, no toys, no merchandise, barely any comic book series etc.) will help to undermine the X-Men as a brand for sure!

Without playing to much into conspiracy theories but blocking Fox from showing X-Men at IMAX cinemas with Alice suely also had an influence on the boxoffice.

I don't think that's true. They aren't just making these movies to sell toys. Big box office movies always have action figures and toys, books, movie tie ins etc. It's just an added bonus they make money. They're not making these huge movies just to sell toys. Marvel there is passion in what they create. They've thought out their stories and make sure they all tie in. They make sure the characters are done justice and given the proper development they deserve.

Nail on the head.


And honestly I dont know what X-Men can do, moving forward, in order to keep the series going strong.

Honestly I don't know. I don't know if a sequel to Apoclaypse will work and I don't know if the original cast will work. It's so strange right now. If they reboot it just won't make sense either because they've planned all these other movies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

to be fair, the X-Men movies did not particularly cater to children while Disney mainly produces feel-good family Marvel movies to be able to sell toys and merchandise to little children...Disney is not so much about quality movies but about the merchandise possibilities.

But for sure Marvel's strategy to block X-Men from this particular young tageted group (no cartoon shows anymore, no toys, no merchandise, barely any comic book series etc.) will help to undermine the X-Men as a brand for sure!

Without playing to much into conspiracy theories but blocking Fox from showing X-Men at IMAX cinemas with Alice suely also had an influence on the boxoffice.

Your exactly right.It's not theory when you have clear evidance of what disney or at very least marvel CEO Is doing to X-Men.Imax isn't as much
of disney doing as the rest of marvel undermining X-Men.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

We know Disney is a soulless corporate entity only interested in profit. Unlike Fox and their humanist and charitable ways.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That's just it I don't even know if they've gained many new fans. I'd say the people who've stuck around with the franchise are still here. I've been here since day 1. Not saying there aren't new fans but yeah I think the people who are seeing it are the true fans. And yes the timeline change, dated eras etc are all a factor into why it's not measuring up and performing like it should be.

i read some people comment they have no interest in the X-Men films but they actually enjoyed X-Men: Apocalypse.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Thing about the X-Men movies is how times have changed, look at X3 where marvel were fully onboard with releasing video games and toys, even with Origins which probably has the most well put together video game of the past movie merchandising, now thats gone and there are no cartoons in the works.

Even spider-man continued to get special treatment even before he joined MCU

 

[Neno_Kos]

Nail on the head.


And honestly I dont know what X-Men can do, moving forward, in order to keep the series going strong.

Bring series back to it's roots. And I dont think here Charles-Magneto relationship. That should have been done, killed and burried long fricking time ago. To give it fresh start, franchise needs to focus on new characters. Jean, Cyclops, Storm, Beast (hope for recast or bring Kelsey back) needs to be main characters and others with Charles in background. And franchise needs to start focus on new different storylines which dont follow Charles and Magneto bromance, along with having true X-men team. We need to have those small moments between characters and relationship bonds, and in same time we need stay true to source material. So no more Raven bulls***, no more Magneto walking away in sunset with Charles we meet again, no Kingberg anywhere close to this franchise. And I would say no more Singer as he is incapable after 16 years to make true X-men movie close to source material, give all characters proper adaptation, make from X-men's a team, give nods to fans, have actual costumes etc. What is done is done. They can all go *** themself if you ask me.

As box office gross, I said before less than $600M and at the best $650M. But it might be close

 

[MadVillainy]

Honestly I don't know. I don't know if a sequel to Apoclaypse will work and I don't know if the original cast will work. It's so strange right now. If they reboot it just won't make sense either because they've planned all these other movies.

I think a reboot work fine because they can just roll the new properties (Deadpool, New Mutants, etc.) in the new timeline
THAT being said, even if they reboot where can they go?

They've done X-Men period pieces, R rated action comedies, destruction porn, time travel, giant robots...I mean they can do the space thing, but you already have Guardians of the Galaxy, probably Infinity War, and Green Lantern doing that. So would it really matter if X-Men goes to space?

In terms of characters they can use, they've used most if not all of the biggest, GA known characters at least once...maybe not totally accurately but theyve used them.

I love X-Men, but i dont know where the franchise can go to:
1) Be very successful
2)Compete with these other major SH franchises

 

[Quasimod0]

You guys are right. The x-men have basically zero support outside of the films and comics nowadays. There is basically no merchandise at all. You can't go grab an x-men shirt for the new movie, or get any toys or costumes. And all the other major superhero films have party supplies themed after them, but not x-men. And then there's no animated series or major video games out right now either.

 

[MadVillainy]

Bring series back to it's roots. And I dont think here Charles-Magneto relationship. That should have been done, killed and burried long fricking time ago. To give it fresh start, franchise needs to focus on new characters. Jean, Cyclops, Storm, Beast (hope for recast or bring Kelsey back) needs to be main characters and others with Charles in background. And franchise needs to start focus on new different storylines which dont follow Charles and Magneto bromance, along with having true X-men team. We need to have those small moments between characters and relationship bonds, and in same time we need stay true to source material. So no more Raven bulls***, no more Magneto walking away in sunset with Charles we meet again, no Kingberg anywhere close to this franchise. And I would say no more Singer as he is incapable after 16 years to make true X-men movie close to source material, give all characters proper adaptation, make from X-men's a team, give nods to fans, have actual costumes etc. What is done is done. They can all go *** themself if you ask me.

I don't see why everyone thinks that being closer to the source material is gonna solve all the problems this franchise has.

It's deeper than that, but I don't know a solution

 

[Spiderine]

Technically it felt like they already rebooted when they wiped the slate clean and undid all the previous films while introducing a new cast. How many times can you reboot without alienating more of your core audience?

Fox wants to expand its X brand. Not sure how that can work when the brand is declining. Deadpool was something fresh and different and it brought a new audience. That audience wants to see that same character they saw in his film. There is likely to be more cooperation between Marvel/Fox in the near future. Fox has to figure this out soon.

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX may be fine to continue with the new cast anyway

Still, the film, made for $178 million, has already made $185.8 million internationally. Fox had looked to keep expectations in check for the film, directed by Bryan Singer. It stars "X-Men" regulars Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence and others, but it introduces a number of newcomers, including Oscar Isaac, Tye Sheridan and Olivia Munn.

Chris Aronson, distribution head for Fox, called it not a reboot but "a readjustment" to pave the way for future installments featuring the new performers.

"I'm very pleased," Aronson said. "It's right on track with what our expectations were going in."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...e-bombs-x-men-apocalypse-on-top-with-65m.html

 

[MadVillainy]

This movie was not made for 178 million. I would bet...$178 million that that's not true

 

[kevork89]

Yeah and you got to give them a bit of credit they still manage to get out there. Get some buzz. Draw big actors. Of course the franchise and money making isn't at the level of Marvel's but they make money and critically they've been hits minus Last Stand and Origins. While Apocalypse is kind of at a weird spot when it comes to critics and audiences opinions. They've done a lot but if they were to reboot. They can't use characters as throw away characters anymore. They also have to stop casting no name randoms to play major characters. Or make major characters just be in the background. They can easily make every character a name if they put the effort into them.