Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[InCali]

I don't think people are tired of XMen in general yet they are tired of Singers-Kinbergs version of XMen they continue to put out. That's the issue they are holding this back from being so much greater than it could be. We need someone on board who can bring the proper characterizations for each character and not have pointless mute characters.

The problem is that I'm not sure you wouldn't need quite a long break for a re-imagining of the best known characters (Prof, Wolverine, Jean, Cyclops, Angel, etc.) and I'm not sure there's a lot to fill that time span. The box office could suffer from the "too soon" complex (I rather think that happened to SM although the newer movies weren't as good as the first go round). Marvel, I think it trying to get by that by introducing another group that can go for 5 - 10 years. Maybe by then, the GA would be ready for a new go round.

 

[Tymminator]

The next time a X-Men movie is made, I want the writers and directors to not just consider the franchise as a bag full of mutants and they are all interchangeable, do not just throw in a mutant on the team because it fits the story they want to tell, serve the characters, use actual X-Men AND DONT WASTE THEM! NO NEED TO KILL THEM OFF SCREEN FOR "DRAMATIC EFFECT"!

I don't think the GA are sick of X-Men, I think except for a couple of them they don't really know who they really are. The X-Men have several characters that are wonderful, and although a few have been wasted/killed already, there are still plenty to focus on and develope starting with the cast they already have formed for Apocalypse.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I fully understand why Marvel won't support X-Men, because right now the comics are used to advertise for movies and they have no reason to support those movies made by Fox. Same thing with cartoons and games. For toys, Marvel would have to share profits with Fox for any movie related merchandises and since their relationship is rather soured Marvel/Disney don't want to give Fox any more profits. Until one day Fox and Marvel work things out to become a true partnership nothing will changed.

The merchandise thing isn't even really about their relationship. Why should Marvel release a bunch of X-Men merch only to get some of the profits, when instead they can release more Avengers or Spider-Man merch that they get all of the profits on and sells better on top of that. To really make an investment in X-Men merch, it would need to sell above and beyond the merch of their other properties to cover the profits they would lose to Fox.

 

[spider-neil]

I want X-men to do something completely different. Take the team to space to do 'The Brood' saga. Anyone who doesn't want to be there *cough* JL *cough* get rid.
Also, get rid of Singer and bring in some fresh blood.

 

[VM1138]

The problem with the franchise is that it's done very haphazardly. They bring in random mutants, overload the films with really crappy actors and characters.

I thought the framework the franchise seemed to set up with the first two (and part of the third) movies would have been the best way to go.

X-Men: You show off the team. These are your main characters for the franchise. A pretty personal story for Rogue and Logan.

X2: Same team, but throw in a unique or interesting mutant (Nightcrawler) who has something to do with getting the plot going. He has something to do.

X3: Should have been the same thing, but with Angel being an actual focus instead of a random side character.

If they kept that going they could have built a franchise with personal stories and strong characters. Aside from Fassbender, McAvoy and Lawrence, the mutants in First Class were atrociously awful.

Instead they started using throwaway characters to a major degree and casting with bland teenage-ish actors.

Casting Fassbender and McAvoy was a brilliant move, but other than that the casting in the new movies has been really subpar. I just don't care about these actors or their characters.

Make the stories a bit smaller and more personal and shrink the cast. Cast actual talented actors. Problem solved.

 

[BeholdMe]

The problem is that I'm not sure you wouldn't need quite a long break for a re-imagining of the best known characters (Prof, Wolverine, Jean, Cyclops, Angel, etc.) and I'm not sure there's a lot to fill that time span. The box office could suffer from the "too soon" complex (I rather think that happened to SM although the newer movies weren't as good as the first go round). Marvel, I think it trying to get by that by introducing another group that can go for 5 - 10 years. Maybe by then, the GA would be ready for a new go round.

I don't think more than a two year break is needed XMen fatigue is not the problem. I certainly don't want to wait like 5 yrs just to see Storm,Jean,Cyclops and Nightcrawler again.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Kinberg in the podcast interview when asked about

Spoiler

the death of havok he said the character was killed for the sake of cyclops origin story, to give cyclops a tragic event in his life and kinberg jokingly said to lucas till hey it could be worse we killed the other guys off screen

 

[JEM]

They don't need a long break

2017: Wolverine 3

2018: Gambit and New Mutant

2019: Deadpool 2 and New X Men

+ TV show

It could be their plan now.

 

[superweirdo87]

The problem is that I'm not sure you wouldn't need quite a long break for a re-imagining of the best known characters (Prof, Wolverine, Jean, Cyclops, Angel, etc.) and I'm not sure there's a lot to fill that time span. The box office could suffer from the "too soon" complex (I rather think that happened to SM although the newer movies weren't as good as the first go round). Marvel, I think it trying to get by that by introducing another group that can go for 5 - 10 years. Maybe by then, the GA would be ready for a new go round.

Jean and Cyclops arguably haven't been engaged much in the movies. I do think a too soon sense is a problem. Perhaps, they should wait for 4-5 years.

They can focus on Deadpool/x-23/x-force in the meantime.

 

[spider-neil]

The problem with the franchise is that it's done very haphazardly. They bring in random mutants, overload the films with really crappy actors and characters.

I thought the framework the franchise seemed to set up with the first two (and part of the third) movies would have been the best way to go.

X-Men: You show off the team. These are your main characters for the franchise. A pretty personal story for Rogue and Logan.

X2: Same team, but throw in a unique or interesting mutant (Nightcrawler) who has something to do with getting the plot going. He has something to do.

X3: Should have been the same thing, but with Angel being an actual focus instead of a random side character.

If they kept that going they could have built a franchise with personal stories and strong characters. Aside from Fassbender, McAvoy and Lawrence, the mutants in First Class were atrociously awful.

Instead they started using throwaway characters to a major degree and casting with bland teenage-ish actors.

Casting Fassbender and McAvoy was a brilliant move, but other than that the casting in the new movies has been really subpar. I just don't care about these actors or their characters.

Make the stories a bit smaller and more personal and shrink the cast. Cast actual talented actors. Problem solved.

The young mutants were a lot more fun in FC then they were in X:A.
I liked the contrast of fun and playful kids to the sombre Charles, Eric and Raven.
The young mutants in X:A were dull as dishwasher with the exception of Quicksilver.
I was gripped in the final battle of FC, I was yawning at the climax of X:A.

 

[spider-neil]

They don't need a long break

2017: Wolverine 3

2018: Gambit and New Mutant

2019: Deadpool 2 and New X Men

+ TV show

It could be their plan now.

TV show? What did Fox have to give up to get that?

 

[superweirdo87]

The problem with the franchise is that it's done very haphazardly. They bring in random mutants, overload the films with really crappy actors and characters.

I thought the framework the franchise seemed to set up with the first two (and part of the third) movies would have been the best way to go.

X-Men: You show off the team. These are your main characters for the franchise. A pretty personal story for Rogue and Logan.

X2: Same team, but throw in a unique or interesting mutant (Nightcrawler) who has something to do with getting the plot going. He has something to do.

X3: Should have been the same thing, but with Angel being an actual focus instead of a random side character.

If they kept that going they could have built a franchise with personal stories and strong characters. Aside from Fassbender, McAvoy and Lawrence, the mutants in First Class were atrociously awful.

Instead they started using throwaway characters to a major degree and casting with bland teenage-ish actors.

Casting Fassbender and McAvoy was a brilliant move, but other than that the casting in the new movies has been really subpar. I just don't care about these actors or their characters.

Make the stories a bit smaller and more personal and shrink the cast. Cast actual talented actors. Problem solved.

I think Turner could be better, but I could also see her growing as an actress and rising to the occasion with stronger material and a good director. I liked the new Nightcrawler. Storm and Cyclops have so little to do that it is hard to judge.

 

[InCali]

Jean and Cyclops arguably haven't been engaged much in the movies. I do think a too soon sense is a problem. Perhaps, they should wait for 4-5 years.

They can focus on Deadpool/x-23/x-force in the meantime.

If they can successfully fill the time, I think that would be the best approach. I love X-Men, but I'm a dweeb. I worry about the long term BO if they cater just to me and those like me rather than the GA.

 

[superweirdo87]

The young mutants were a lot more fun in FC then they were in X:A.
I liked the contrast of fun and playful kids to the sombre Charles, Eric and Raven.
The young mutants in X:A were dull as dishwasher with the exception of Quicksilver.
I was gripped in the final battle of FC, I was yawning at the climax of X:A.

I also enjoyed the contrast of fun and playful kids in First Class. I liked Young Cyclops and Nightcrawler, and was not blown away by Turner as Jean. I do think better writing and direction could make her work.

 

[Smilodon]

They just gotta make stories and characters people care about - it's really as simple as that. It'll take awhile to get there - the MCU didn't hit a billion in its first film, but they're gonna have to be patient and methodical. The characters have to come first and foremost. They have the ingredients there - this franchise has an issue with following through and payoff. They have to follow through. If the next films focus on the core X-Men as much as the FC trilogy focused on Charles, Erik and Raven, then it might work out.

But they also need to continue to expand their universe. Sitting on their hands and ruminating on what went wrong and deciding they need to have a break isn't necessarily the answer. That's just ignoring the problem.

 

[JEM]

TV show? What did Fox have to give up to get that?

Legion and Hellfire

 

[GuestStar2004]

I still believe we will get another movie with this cast but the best i thing i think they can do is actually plan something out to help build up the next X-Men movie, whether its new mutants or cable in deadpool ect ect

 

[InCali]

I also enjoyed the contrast of fun and playful kids in First Class. I liked Young Cyclops and Nightcrawler, and was not blown away by Turner as Jean. I do think better writing and direction could make her work.

I dunno. I'm probably in the minority, but life without Singer hasn't really been kind to X-Men (and women ). I'm certainly not saying you have to stick with Singer because he's the only good director in town. Fox just didn't do a very good job of getting someone who could handle the material (other than Singer). Frankly, I think he's primarily responsible for getting the franchise back on track. Without FC or DoFP, I don't know where we'd be today.

 

[StormC]

It does make me wonder what the X-Men brand will look like in a few years as far as house of mouse goes. Are they gonna just let it slowly die off, downplaying comics and merch? After Spidey, X-Men was Marvel's biggest series for a time.

 

[JEM]

The key could be Sinister if he is the mastermind vilain in Wolverine 3, Gambit and Deadpool 2. Retroman said Essex Corp be tied to Deadpool and Ajax could have been working for them all this time. Just a theorie but a good one.
You will have a link between all the future movies.

 

[spider-neil]

I also enjoyed the contrast of fun and playful kids in First Class. I liked Young Cyclops and Nightcrawler, and was not blown away by Turner as Jean. I do think better writing and direction could make her work.

The lack of fun from the kids in X:A was down to and the script not the actors.
I'm not saying they (X:A kids) should have laughing and joking at everything but they should have had some personality.

Look at Banshee for example, in the few minutes he is on screen he has a character. By the end of the movie I cared if he lived or died. Cyclops by contrast was a personality vacuum. The only time I perked up is when Quicksilver enters the fight.

Vaughan understands adding levity and getting you to care about all the characters not just the stars.

 

[superweirdo87]

Kinberg in the podcast interview when asked about

Spoiler

the death of havok he said the character was killed for the sake of cyclops origin story, to give cyclops a tragic event in his life and kinberg jokingly said to lucas till hey it could be worse we killed the other guys off screen

I think the execution of this idea was very poor tbh. We spend such little time with Havok and Cyclops that it is harder to get emotionally involved and for there to be payoff.

God, Kinberg really needs to go.

 

[spider-neil]

Legion and Hellfire

They are now back at Marvel?

 

[Joaqenix]

The problem with the franchise is that it's done very haphazardly. They bring in random mutants, overload the films with really crappy actors and characters.

Yeah, this is easily the biggest problem in the series (disagree on the quality of the actors though). If I was in charge of plotting the next movie, I'd add literally no characters, except maybe a villain, and move forward with the cast they already have. Flesh them out instead of throwing random nobodies into the mix.

Also, Magneto either needs to stay on the good side or stay off screen.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, this is easily the biggest problem in the series (disagree on the quality of the actors though). If I was in charge of plotting the next movie, I'd add literally no characters, except maybe a villain, and move forward with the cast they already have. Flesh them out instead of throwing random nobodies into the mix.

Also, Magneto either needs to stay on the good side or stay off screen.

That's literally they need to do, they mentioned Proteus as the next villain, that would be perfect. Have the existing team plus Xavier vs him, with Moira involved as well. But Magneto and Mystique need to be left out.

Proteus is a villain they won't want to kill also, so they could make he story more intimidate with only a few set pieces.