Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Leo Zelinsky]

Xavier not kidnapped in DOFP.

Or incapacitated so he couldn't use his powers for "reasons"

Which IMO was the worst sin because a top X-Man from the comics had to be killed off screen Emma Frost because the movie would've been over in 5 minutes if another psychic was available

 

[kguillou]

Eh, I don't want the X-men films to have the "episodic" approach that the MCU films and now the Star Wars movies have. I like that they each feel complete and tell their own story.

I also don't think we need to go into panic mode and completely reasses everything; Apocalypse didn't do a well as DOFP or Deadpool. No big deal. They try to do better next time, reduce the budget make the film more intimate and keep the same cast. I keep seeing people say "GET RID OF SINGER AND KINDBERG ASAP" and acting like Days of Future Past never happened, and these very same people delivered arguably the best loved X-Men film so far.

No need to panic, guys.

 

[Tilapia]

I think taking a few years makes sense. It would be better not to test the audience, and it would be better for the franchise.

Given the reviews, the mixed audience reception, and the commercial performance, Fox and its comic book universe, it seems like now is the time to step back, re-assess, and take a look at their approach. Another thing is Fox does not seem to have a long-term vision for the X-Men movies. They don't need to imitate Marvel or try to copy it. But, they need to think out arcs over films and develop a larger vision. There are also clearly adjustments to be made.

Fox can focus on X-23/X-Force/Deadpool and take a beat and reconfigure how to do X-Men.

Exactly. Cable can basically have his own franchise and perhaps a trilogy all together. X-23? Don't know about that. Female action stars carrying a franchise are always dicey. But between the other two, that's like 3-6 movies alone.

I'm not advocating abandoning the past. I would do a Gambit movie to expand on the world beyond the X-Men in the 80's and 90's.

I feel deep down that McAvoy and Hoult can't carry the franchise alone. That's why I'd say put Cable back in the past to jump start the next X-film, but only after Cable gets a few films under his belt.

 

[Smilodon]

No one is necessarily panicking besides a few posters here and there. For all of its faults, Apocalypse did more right than wrong I feel like - it rectified past mistakes and sets the stage well for the future. Obvious creative retooling and reassessments are necessary, but Deadpool, Wolverine III, New Mutants, X-Force gives them plenty of time to learn and find someone passionate to take on the flagship franchise.

They're in a flexible position, which is good. They just have to make the right choices here on out with the new IPs and the flagship.

Also McAvoy and Hoult wouldn't be carrying the franchise alone. Tye, Sophie, Kodi, Evan, any of them could blow up in between films like JLaw and Fassy. Tye could even be sooner with Ready Player One.

 

[kguillou]

Agreed, Smilodon. The franchise has a bright future. My only concern, personally, is I like this new younger cast so much that I'm wondering if its not gonna be a long time before we see them again. With New Mutants and Deadpool and X Force, is there room for a straight up "X-Men" film with the new cast? Then again, that's assuming these films actually materialize, Deadpool sequels are the only guarantee at this point. lol

 

[magneto23]

No one is necessarily panicking besides a few posters here and there. For all of its faults, Apocalypse did more right than wrong I feel like - it rectified past mistakes and sets the stage well for the future. Obvious creative retooling and reassessments are necessary, but Deadpool, Wolverine III, New Mutants, X-Force gives them plenty of time to learn and find someone passionate to take on the flagship franchise.

They're in a flexible position, which is good. They just have to make the right choices here on out with the new IPs and the flagship.

Also McAvoy and Hoult wouldn't be carrying the franchise alone. Tye, Sophie, Kodi, Evan, any of them could blow up in between films like JLaw and Fassy. Tye could even be sooner with Ready Player One.

Exactly this.

 

[Tilapia]

Eh, I don't want the X-men films to have the "episodic" approach that the MCU films and now the Star Wars movies have. I like that they each feel complete and tell their own story.

I also don't think we need to go into panic mode and completely reasses everything; Apocalypse didn't do a well as DOFP or Deadpool. No big deal. They try to do better next time, reduce the budget make the film more intimate and keep the same cast. I keep seeing people say "GET RID OF SINGER AND KINDBERG ASAP" and acting like Days of Future Past never happened, and these very same people delivered arguably the best loved X-Men film so far.

No need to panic, guys.

This is also an excellent point. To get rid of the episodic tone of the MCU, it would make no sense to just continue with X-Men: The College Years and have a marginalized villain. Whomever they use would not top Apocalypse, and it's not realistic to have an Apocalypse type threat every 2-3 years. You can't jump 10 years anymore either.

You want to adapt the key stories. I think you can tell an episodic saga in live action when TV productions are advanced enough to do these characters at a fraction of the budget.

Cable traveling back in time and meeting his parents would make for an event movie. Dark Phoenix is a two part event movie. Those are the type of stories you want to adapt.

As a matter of fact, if you only have this cast signed for two additional films, I would just adapt a two part Dark Phoenix story that crosses over with Cable, Wolverine, and Gambit storylines. That would be your culmination. Then I would take the series to TV for the episodic approach. The series can span anywhere from the events following Apocalypse to the present day.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

It would be easy to top apocalypse

 

[DACrowe]

I keep hearing that Fox needs to make movies in the present. Why? A good movie will be good regardless of the time period it's set.

Agreed. I actually think the period settings were beautifully used in First Class and Days of Future Past, each adding not just to the flavor of the movie but even the themes and plots (with the optimism of Kennedy era America and Cold War anxieties in 1962 and the post-Vietnam funk and youth cynicism of 1973).

It was kind of window dressing in Apocalypse, but that neither hurt nor helped the movie. It didn't feel tacked on, just kind of like a missed opportunity left on the back burner. Point is if that movie had been set in 2016 and Apocalypse got all his information in a few seconds from the Internet (like Ultron did in an equally bad scene), it wouldn't have made the movie better or worse.

With that said, I do not think we need another 10 year time jump. I mean I would love to see the X-Men in the '90s, but they need to focus on building this current team as one that is growing together. We cannot do that if we miss out on countless adventures with them between films.

 

[Smilodon]

Agreed, Smilodon. The franchise has a bright future. My only concern, personally, is I like this new younger cast so much that I'm wondering if its not gonna be a long time before we see them again. With New Mutants and Deadpool and X Force, is there room for a straight up "X-Men" film with the new cast? Then again, that's assuming these films actually materialize, Deadpool sequels are the only guarantee at this point. lol

Giving the younger cast a bit more time to grow up and explore other film roles could do well for those who knock this film for not having A-listers. DOFP benefited from having the OT there no doubt, but Fassy and JLaw were no longer just the guys from 300/Hunger/Inglorious/Winter's Bone etc, they were the stars of Prometheus, 12 Years a Slave, The Hunger Games, Silver Linings Playbook etc. (Though Deadpool shot down the notion of a film needing a horde of A-listers carry a film - a vicious marketing campaign, a passionate creative team and lead actor is all it needs. A-listers certainly helps attract attention no doubt, but it's not really a necessity)

I think Fox is casting with the hope that Tye and co. break out in between films. Repeat the success of Michael and Jennifer. Hoult could even do something similar as well.

 

[DACrowe]

If FF didn't damage Kinberg apocalypse won't.Not to mention he is producing all the X-men related films.and despite FF fox is having him write X-force.
Remember after first class they still hired Kinberg to write DOFP.and let's not pretend FC was giant monster hit.

I said writer. Of course he is staying on as producer, and honestly he seems to be a pretty good producer. Again, that does not mean he has to write the screenplay. And honestly, if we can look at how he does without Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn laying the groundwork for him in Fantastic Four and now X-Men: Apocalypse, so can Fox.

Obviously, he will be producing the next one.

 

[superweirdo87]

I think people are just assuming it's a standard 3 picture within 6 years type of deal when we don't know that explicitly. No reason to assume otherwise, but really, we just don't know. And McAvoy and Hoult would need new deals, so that's either a recast or a large investment to bring them back.

We would probably be losing Fassbender/Magneto for a few films, who was a major draw for this trilogy. No other way around that. He carried the trilogy in large part.

So based on that, I am not investing another 200 million in another X-Men flick. The returns haven't been there. I think X-Men Origins: Gambit is where they go, similar to what we saw with Wolverine. This will give a you chance to introduce your next over arching villain, Sinister. You don't want to keep one offing your villains. Gambit will hopefully be late 2018. Should they make another X-Men in 2019, so be it. But I would like Phoenix to be a two part saga. The next X-Men film needs to make a lot of money for that to happen, and I think they should hold off on Phoenix.

Phoenix part I should introduce the new Wolverine. Magneto would return in part II.

I think that with tax credits, they can do a good X-Men team movie for 150M. And they can bring back McAvoy within that budget and still have cool visual effects and power displays. They just have to get creative and resourceful. I think the character of Magneto could use a break after his story has been mined so much. Or, he could do a cameo or special appearance.
I agree that they should hold off on Dark Phoenix.

 

[BeholdMe]

Exactly. Cable can basically have his own franchise and perhaps a trilogy all together. X-23? Don't know about that. Female action stars carrying a franchise are always dicey. But between the other two, that's like 3-6 movies alone.

I'm not advocating abandoning the past. I would do a Gambit movie to expand on the world beyond the X-Men in the 80's and 90's.

I feel deep down that McAvoy and Hoult can't carry the franchise alone. That's why I'd say put Cable back in the past to jump start the next X-film, but only after Cable gets a few films under his belt.

I truly don't think a 4 year break is the answer, 3 years I think is more than enough time if even that. Yes we have New Mutants,Deadpool and XForce in the works but they shouldn't neglect the main series just make room for those. Gambit I can't see being that big of a movie and waiting 4 years to see Jean,Scott,Ororo and Kurt again is just to long of a wait. These movies don't need Fassbender/Magneto either to continue forward it can survive without him, though he was praised in the franchise I'm sure people wouldn't be to upset having a break from him and to actually focus on the XMen themselves I think that would be a good thing. As long as they tell a good story and involve all the characters the proper way and not keep making the same mistakes it will do just fine. Though I'm looking forward to the XFranchise expanding with these new movies a la New Mutants I don't want to see my actual fav mutants put on the backburner for such a long period of time. Not saying they need to rush the next film because I feel a new creative team is indeed needed for the next film we need someone who has a great hold on who the XMen are but not a 4 year wait.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I said writer. Of course he is staying on as producer, and honestly he seems to be a pretty good producer. Again, that does not mean he has to write the screenplay. And honestly, if we can look at how he does without Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn laying the groundwork for him in Fantastic Four and now X-Men: Apocalypse, so can Fox.

Obviously, he will be producing the next one.

while i am no fan of kinberg your giving vaughn and goldman too much credit for DOFP.I know there is tendacy to call vaughn a god and singer a hack but goldman and vaughn simply helped with the story.and those who call first class best X-men film don't want to give singer any credit since he wrote story.and kinberg did uncredited work on FC script.but,DOFP is good only because of vaughn and goldman helped Kinberg on story.

Vaughn has 2 other films lined up after Kingsman sequel including Flash gordon for Fox so unlikely to be involved.I feel after dawn of planet of the apes Matt Reeves would be more likely for next X-men film after completing war of planet of the apes.that is fox's other big sci fi franchise and Fox has relationship with him.and he is one of few mentioned who could do X_men and it still feel like sequel to First class trilogy including DOFP and Apocalypse.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I said writer. Of course he is staying on as producer, and honestly he seems to be a pretty good producer. Again, that does not mean he has to write the screenplay. And honestly, if we can look at how he does without Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn laying the groundwork for him in Fantastic Four and now X-Men: Apocalypse, so can Fox.

Obviously, he will be producing the next one.

He could be fine as a producer. But the screenplay with this film was a major problem and it wasn't the first time with Kinberg. The guy just isn't a good writer.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

66% drop. Looks as if my original estimate of 69% was not far off. Damn.

This love affair is over. Time for some adjustments.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

That'd be awesome if it was just called Uncanny X-Men. But I can't see that happening

They need to either call it The Uncanny X-Men or better yet X-Men: Children Of The Atom.

But first the studio needs to get its s*** together before they film anything else.

 

[superweirdo87]

"I also don't think we need to go into panic mode and completely reasses everything; Apocalypse didn't do a well as DOFP or Deadpool. No big deal. They try to do better next time, reduce the budget make the film more intimate and keep the same cast. I keep seeing people say "GET RID OF SINGER AND KINDBERG ASAP" and acting like Days of Future Past never happened, and these very same people delivered arguably the best loved X-Men film so far.

No need to panic, guys.[/QUOTE]

This was the worst reviewed movie in the series, and a major disappointment at the domestic box office, and it did not do very well in many markets. It's not just the negativity in the reviews. It is the point in them: too much of the same. Singer and Kinberg used too many of the same tropes in this movie, and it is frustrating.

I think here and elsewhere on the net, people are feeling compelled to vocalize long seated frustration with Singer and Kinberg because they focus on Professor X, Wolverine, and Magneto in most of the movies, and they love other characters and want to see them done justice. I feel like Singer and Kinberg have gotten tired. One thing they got right in DOFP was to focus on a character (Charles). But, people want to see characters they like serviced, so they're angry. And folks who were with Singer on focus are angry that he did not focus in this case.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The "everything must be grounded" people may disagree but I'd love it if they brought in the outer space angle and left Magneto out of the story completely.

 

[Flint Marko]

I second that. Enough with Magneto.

 

[Mad Ones]

Singer and co have repeatedly said that this movie closes the First Class character arcs and Singer has been saying for months he won't be back to direct the next one. A change in the creative team was always going to happen. The potential for the next main X-men movie is wide open, with a great cast and team lined up.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I second that. Enough with Magneto.

Enough with Mystique

 

[Flint Marko]

Enough with Mystique

True, I'd rather watch 5 more movies with Magneto than one more with her.

 

[Tilapia]

I truly don't think a 4 year break is the answer, 3 years I think is more than enough time if even that. Yes we have New Mutants,Deadpool and XForce in the works but they shouldn't neglect the main series just make room for those. Gambit I can't see being that big of a movie and waiting 4 years to see Jean,Scott,Ororo and Kurt again is just to long of a wait. These movies don't need Fassbender/Magneto either to continue forward it can survive without him, though he was praised in the franchise I'm sure people wouldn't be to upset having a break from him and to actually focus on the XMen themselves I think that would be a good thing. As long as they tell a good story and involve all the characters the proper way and not keep making the same mistakes it will do just fine. Though I'm looking forward to the XFranchise expanding with these new movies a la New Mutants I don't want to see my actual fav mutants put on the backburner for such a long period of time. Not saying they need to rush the next film because I feel a new creative team is indeed needed for the next film we need someone who has a great hold on who the XMen are but not a 4 year wait.

Is an extra year that much of an issue? It's really not a big deal in the least. Thor 2 was a dud critically. They put it on the back burner and took their time to develop an enticing part three four years later.

The next couple of films need detailed planning. I honestly think we need another trilogy. The last thing you want is for Singer or McAvoy to get burnt out and take their names off the property as producer and star. Obviously they need to be doing other films in between. TDKR also had a four year gap and it worked for the story they were telling.

My map:

Gambit (late 2017): 70-80 million. Introduce Sinister and the Morlocks. X-Men cameo or two.

Deadpool 2 (March 2018): 100-120 million

New Mutants (late 2019): 80-90 million

X-Men 7 (2020): 180 million

If they scrap New Mutants then I guess X-Men 7 can go 2019 potentially. Late 2019.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Singer and co have repeatedly said that this movie closes the First Class character arcs and Singer has been saying for months he won't be back to direct the next one. A change in the creative team was always going to happen. The potential for the next main X-men movie is wide open, with a great cast and team lined up.

Bryan might lose again the chance to do the Phoenix story if the new Director chooses to go there.

I think the next X-Men movie don't have to be Phoenix, they could do something else and hint one more time the Phoenix, o even set up for the Phoenix movie.

They need to reveal that Jeans "fire" power is not a new mutation or something but that is indeed the Phoenix Force inside her which woke because of Apocalypse.