Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[GuestStar2004]

Just imagine if this was the Internet's first look at Apocalypse the narrative would've been completely different

Thing is thats a proto type design, thats not designed on whoever plays him, aka oscar issac

and you think there wouldn't be complainers? course, even one would probably be you since its easy to say this is what you want since we didn't get it but if we had i am sure there would have been something you hated, after all there are plenty even now who say psylocke looked stupid in all her comic look.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Exactly what I meant mate. People from US saw the movie online cause other countries put the movie on the internet early.

Didn't do Civil War any damage.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Didn't do Civil War any damage.

To be fair civil war had way better reviews.

Reviews for Apocalypse had been out for like what 3 weeks or something before it hit america and alot of the reviews were not kind to it, even i felt abit turned off by it all.

Also the last i looked civil war or avengers mark 3 hasn't made as much as iron man 3.

 

[superweirdo87]

I feel like domestically will not go very far. Probably ending with 160M best case scenario. Internationally could reach as far as 400M.

I still feel like what hurt this movie box office was two thing.

1-Releasing internationally first for only 9 days later to release in the US.
2-Too much blockbuster competition for the summer.

If you notice, every week a new major blockbuster gets released.

Oh my god. You are so off-base. DOFP got released abroad before it came out in the US. In terms of blockbuster prevalence that can make the pitch less compelling. But DOFP faced Maleficient and Godzilla. Bigger problems were the movie itself.

1. Audiences crave a mix of freshness and familiarity. Apocalypse recycled a lot of the tropes in past movies (Magneto V. Professor X, Magneto switches sides, a villain takes over cerebro, Raven is conflicted, Professor X thinks she sounds too much like Erik).

2. The quality of the movie was lacking. DOFP got an A on Cinema Score and good reviews. Apocalypse got an A- and weaker reviews. It might have been able to do high 160s or 170 with better legs and stronger reviews.

3. A lack of vision. Fox lacks a cohesive vision, and it paid the price for that. This movie did not have a clear statement of what it was and why it mattered.

4. Franchise stalwarts were missing. A lot of people think of Wolverine with X-Men and old Magneto and Professor X. So that investment was not there.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Of course you could argue for apocalypse the villain was the main concept of the X-Men: Apocalypse and that would mean he was the main draw for seeing the movie but there are plenty of people out there who know very little about apocalypse and what he looks like in the comics or cartoons

Well yeah, that's part of it.

Personally, I think Ronan looks good, especially when he starts talking with that deep Lee Pace voice. But taking personal opinion out of the equation, there are a couple of key differences:

1. Ronan was not a big part of the promotion of the film, unlike Apocalypse.
2. GOTG is a comedy.

 

[superweirdo87]

Well yeah, that's part of it.

Personally, I think Ronan looks good, especially when he starts talking with that deep Lee Pace voice. But taking personal opinion out of the equation, there are a couple of key differences:

1. Ronan was not a big part of the promotion of the film, unlike Apocalypse.
2. GOTG is a comedy.

There is a self-seriousness to X-Men as well. And the movie was pitching itself as the end of the world.

 

[ApophènX]

Give more power to women? what are you talking about?

We take the old testament, egyptian solar god. Wich is what built many society here and today in the way they are. And you make him a goofy vilain with out of time dramaturgic speech. Apocalypse is a choking woman to death kind of guy. Like was the guy in FC who only saw Emma as an object. Patriarcal figures. Being destroyed in FC by Erik, he kill his creator. And in XMA Charles has to deal with his, whom is there because he hide Moira's memory, and he ask for Jean's help. He ask help of other unlike Erik who closed himself up. Jean become a solar figure finally, the cosmic force has pass from man to woman. The movie is about man letting go of control over soman and accepting her ultimate power, birth and death, Phoenix stuff.

Jean also heal Logan, Mystique save an angel and a demon in cage, ...

The movies ends in a balance with woman and men, Erik and Jean are rebuilding the house, old and young, both faced the father figures. Both were the vilain in X3. Where the mistake of Charles was to try to control Jean, aka woman, like he does, with Mystique too who finally come back when he stop and accept her blue form and the role of leader.

CW also have man controlling too much because of memory but end up with a confrontation beetwen man and maybe that speaks more to people, i don't know. Just a thought, doesn't match for the techniczl aspect of the film but again CW was more complex and rationnal in his way where XMA was more simpler narrative but with more emotion. XMA had a different feel but that's what i think and my opinion is pretty poor. This is an absurd simplification of a mluch larger complex process, don't mind.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Just imagine if this was the Internet's first look at Apocalypse the narrative would've been completely different

The movie would have reached a billion with that

 

[GuestStar2004]

The movie would have reached a billion with that

lol

 

[Kanon]

I wonder how weel could have done in the BP an Age of Apocalypse approach, using the same formula that DoFP did with the cast (post apocalyptic future dominated by Apocalypse and the Horsemen with the OT cast, and time travel to prevent Xavier getting killed in the past with the FC cast)

I guess it would have felt cheap and repetitive, but money-wise, I feel the Box Office would have been better (of course, with a better looking Apocalypse, as the one in that pic)

 

[superweirdo87]

I wonder how weel could have done in the BP an Age of Apocalypse approach, using the same formula that DoFP did with the cast (post apocalyptic future dominated by Apocalypse and the Horsemen with the OT cast, and time travel to prevent Xavier getting killed in the past with the FC cast)

I guess it would have felt cheap and repetitive, but money-wise, I feel the Box Office would have been better (of course, with a better looking Apocalypse, as the one in that pic)

The original team does better, but it is not clear their movies have better legs. A couple of other challenges come into play. As you mention, the cheap and repetitive factor. It also feels less like you are missing something when it happens more frequently. The other problem is XMA was already really crowded. Incoherence and meaningful arcs might have been more challenging.

 

[def28]

To be fair civil war had way better reviews.

Reviews for Apocalypse had been out for like what 3 weeks or something before it hit america and alot of the reviews were not kind to it, even i felt abit turned off by it all.

Also the last i looked civil war or avengers mark 3 hasn't made as much as iron man 3.

Or Captain America 3, which means Marvel now has 3 IP's that can pass a billion because of it's planned connectivity even if they are released within a year of each other. Same is likely to happen with GOTG at some point.

Yes the reviews mattered, too many superhero flicks now and the mediocre will be phased out with competition being very strong. But Fox has a bad cohesive vision. That needs to change, X-Men is just too grand.

Apocalypse has been hyped ever since this series started, should have had no problem passing 600m in todays market with all the characters featured here.

 

[Micromind]

Also the last i looked civil war or avengers mark 3 hasn't made as much as iron man 3.

Yeah, as of now, Civil War's box office collection is below Avengers, Avengers 2 and Iron Man 3, despite stellar reviews, good wom, huge cast and after adding a very popular hero in it (Spider-Man.)

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So what if it hasn't made more than Iron Man 3 or Avengers?


Civil War has almost as much domestically as Apocalypse has total. FoX would trade Civil War's total & reviews for Apocalypse asap.

 

[def28]

Between Avengers, Iron Man, and Cap films the total box office income is ridiculous and unheard of for superhero IP's. There's no other competition on that level. Or competition that can release films successfully so close together like they do.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So what if it hasn't made more than Iron Man 3 or Avengers?

oh yeah it still made alot of money but the fact that it made less then iron man 3 and avengers 1 and 2 which means its getting tougher at the box office to match the height of the first avengers or even Iron man 3

I remember after the avengers 2 there was alot of dramatic talk that it was a failure because it didn't make as much as the first, well the box office is a curious thing indeed.

 

[superweirdo87]

"What each successive chapter lacks is the element of surprise and the uniqueness that made The Avengers unlike any other blockbuster in modern history. It was a “Holy crap, they actually pulled it off!” culmination of four years of promise–a relative triumph unprecedented in recent cinematic franchise history. The Avengers was lightning in a bottle. So while it is possible that some eventual MCU film will surpass it here or abroad, that’s not something that should be taken for granted. The buzz and excitement for Joss Whedon’s “season one finale” was reflected in the record opening weekend and the first few weeks of theatrical play. It had mid-May weekdays that played like mid-July (school-free) blockbuster weekdays."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...d-marvel-peak-with-the-avengers/#5646e78f144f

CA:CW did ****ing incredible. The only potential weak points were that multiplier/legs were not stronger.

 

[def28]

Yeah, nobody can replicate the first Avengers effect, even Marvel. It was something completely new and the freshness/novelty of crossovers is now a thing of the past. Have to rely on the quality of characters now.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I wouldn't be surprised if either of the Infinity War films pass the Avengers. Civil War is already a classic in the genre, it doesn't need to justify anything.

 

[def28]

Maybe Infinity War, it will be interesting how the grand finale plays out with audiences. Won't be any shortage of the characters in those films within the next 5 years though. These films are released so quickly that it has to change how audiences anticipate. Russo's are definitely on a roll regardless.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Maybe Infinity War, it will be interesting how the grand finale plays out with audiences. Won't be any shortage of the characters in those films within the next 5 years though. These films are released so quickly that it has to change how audiences anticipate. Russo's are definitely on a roll regardless.

Yeah, this is where crossover appeal could potentially take hold again, especially if Strange, Spidey, Black Panther and Captain Marvel are received well in their solo films, and if Guardians Vol. 2 can build off the momentum of the first. All of them coming together in the second film has the potential to be the biggest MS film to date at the box office.

 

[superweirdo87]

Yeah, this is where crossover appeal could potentially take hold again, especially if Strange, Spidey, Black Panther and Captain Marvel are received well in their solo films, and if Guardians Vol. 2 can build off the momentum of the first. All of them coming together in the second film has the potential to be the biggest MS film to date at the box office.

yeah. Also, Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man could die or go off into the sunset.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Exactly. If they play their cards right it could be huge.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And how could it have been? Remembering of course how difficult it is to please anyone these days.

Are people still complaining about the new Spider-Man outfit?

It is not that difficult to please people once you have goodwill. People complained about Spider-Man's outfit. The majority seems to love it. I don't remember much complaining about the new Batman suit.

It just kills me that this movie's doing so poorly (we're even debating it won't reach 600m?). I love this franchise and have defended it ad-nauseaum but it's falling behind and it's as clear as day, we need someone to chime in and bring it back to relevance.

It is not getting to 600m unless it has some strange quality holds randomly.

 

[GuestStar2004]

yeah. Also, Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man could die or go off into the sunset.

Would marvel do that? i don't see that happening