Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Iceman]

We haven't had a proper Storm yet (nothing against Halle who's fine in other stuff) and we only got the hint of a good future Cyclops in one film, and he was kind of played off as the loser against Wolverine (who obviously has been done well). We've had good stuff from Jean and Kelsey's Beast was awesome (not in combat though ) but he came a bit too late. If Fox want to emulate the success of the comics (where it should really be blowing away at least most of the solo hero comic films) they need to get at least all of these 5 core X-Men right.

 

[psylockolussus]

Storm had her moment to shine as leader in x3. I'm more interested in Scott's role.

Storm had moments in the four movies she appeared in. But as far "character development" is concern of, she didn't really get her due which isn't Halle Berry's fault. She seemed pretty vocal that she wanted more role in the past, right? She probably would have gotten a smaller role in X3 if she just zipped her mouth and didn't say anything.

And may i add to my earlier post since I forgot to mention it. Looks wise, I thought Jennifer Lawrence was a good choice to play the "younger" version of Rebecca Romijn's Mystique. However with Nicholas Hoult, his casting as Beast was pretty weak. It didn't feel like an inspired casting compare to Kelsey Grammer, I still feel like this series has 2 Beasts. So I really hope with Jean/Cyclops/Storm, I hope they will hire actors that with just 1 look, people can easily say "oh thats the younger version of Cyclops that we saw in the previous films". Harry Potter did pretty well casting younger version of their characters, so why can't X-Men do the same thing.

 

[PelvicSorcery]

The younger Beast and Mystique are just awful. Simply terrible writing. I was fine with the actors though, unless they shoehorn an on screen romance in to Apocalypse

I don't expect the younger versions of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm to be any better, but the older versions were dull and lifeless anyway with the exception of Jean. Halle Berry as Storm is just all wrong and they haven't even tried to give her any substance as a character. I used to love these movies but the more time that passes the more I realize they really suck!

 

[PelvicSorcery]

Not really, if they try to find the best actors that resemble the facial features of Halle/James/Famke and yet at the same time, can deliver a good performance. I suggested before Logan Lerman as Cyclops and Emma Watson as Jean Grey - popular young talented actors who appeared in blockbuster or well-received films and at the same time, could easily pass as the younger version of Cyclops/Jean.

Those actors don't look anything like their older counterparts. It's pretty obvious they don't care that much about looks anyway.

 

[psylockolussus]

In my opinion, those two could pass as the "younger" version. Obviously not-a-look-a-like, but they could work on it. Also give Logan, red shades and looks-wise, they could easily sell it to the audience and says that's teen Cyclops. Same thing with Emma, there's something very elegant about her which I also saw from Famke.

Anyway, if you're gonna do a younger version of someone, don't you think you should consider what the older version look like and act, right?

 

[marvelrobbins]

DOFP 2nd unit Director Brian Smrz has confirmed he will be back for
Apocalypse

http://www.newsarama.com/22519-sing...out-x-men-dofp-and-quicksilver-solo-film.html

He previously worked with Bryan singer on X2 and Superman returs prior to
DOFP plus also worked on Origins and First class plus he worked on Iron man 3
and new Terminator.

He did a lot of the quicksilver scene.

He backs up belief Hugh jackman returning by saying he worked with him 4
times before Apocalypse.And there will be another Quicksilver sequenze.

He also mentions he would like to do Quicksilver solo film.

 

[Matt Mortem]

DOFP 2nd unit Director Brian Smrz has confirmed he will be back for
Apocalypse

http://www.newsarama.com/22519-sing...out-x-men-dofp-and-quicksilver-solo-film.html

He previously worked with Bryan singer on X2 and Superman returs prior to
DOFP plus also worked on Origins and First class plus he worked on Iron man 3
and new Terminator.

He did a lot of the quicksilver scene.

He backs up belief Hugh jackman returning by saying he worked with him 4
times before Apocalypse.And there will be another Quicksilver sequenze.

He also mentions he would like to do Quicksilver solo film.

Yawn.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

He also mentions he would like to do Quicksilver solo film.

Would rather see a Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch movie, or one with both of them and Magneto.

 

[HIA]

yeah, a Genosha centric movie with the three of them would be quite interesting. But a solo Pietro movie? no, thanks. We already have The Flash tv show and his own movie in a few years.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah I'm not here for a Quicksilver solo movie.

But I'm looking forward to see him in Apocalypse!

 

[HIA]

and why is it that Fox has always seemed more interested in Magneto, Mystique and now Pietro movies, when the franchise is 'XMen'?

It seems like they are more interested in the supporting villains than in the actual team, like... WTF?

 

[myra]

and why is it that Fox has always seemed more interested in Magneto, Mystique and now Pietro movies, when the franchise is 'XMen'?

It seems like they are more interested in the supporting villains than in the actual team, like... WTF?

Because villains are cooler.

 

[Mr.M]

Things just didn't work out in the current timeline. Otherwise they would reboot from the start. They wanted a stark contrast to the take we got of Magneto/Xavier in the OT. This has always been the backbone of the X-Men mythos. It wasn't going to allow them to do additional Xfilms by going back to the 60's. Mystique is the only mutual acquaintance you would have between those two back then that would make sense due to her youthful mutation.

 

[SuperT]

and why is it that Fox has always seemed more interested in Magneto, Mystique and now Pietro movies, when the franchise is 'XMen'?

It seems like they are more interested in the supporting villains than in the actual team, like... WTF?

Because Magneto & Mystique are very compelling characters that lend themselves to solo movies moreso than the X-Men team members outside of Wolverine and probably Gambit. As far as Quicksilver, the only spinoff that makes sense for him would be X-Factor.

 

[Havok83]

Because Magneto & Mystique are very compelling characters that lend themselves to solo movies moreso than the X-Men team members outside of Wolverine and probably Gambit. As far as Quicksilver, the only spinoff that makes sense for him would be X-Factor.

forget solo films. Most of the main X-men dont get nearly as much focus as those characters listed in the ensemble based movies

 

[HIA]

and they wont ever get it, if the creative team keeps giving so much attention to that villain side of the universe.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

At least Fox is giving some attention to Marvel villains. I feel like nearly every other villain done by Marvel Studios hasn't been given anything to work with, except Loki.

And even then, I'd say that they haven't used Hiddleston to his full potential. Quite frankly, they haven't used a lot of their great actors to their fullest potential. Jeff Bridges, Hugo Weaving, Robert Redford, etc...

I'd also argue that Robert Downey Jr.'s talents were wasted in Iron Man 2 and 3.

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X-Men isn't staying completely focused on the villain side of things either. Xavier was the central figure in DOFP and it gave McAvoy something to work with, similar to how Fassebender was allowed to shine in First Class.

While the original trilogy primarily focused on Wolverine, this second trilogy has been shifting the main focus.

I believe the focus will shift after Apocalypse to the young Jean, Storm, and Cyclops. And similar to this new trilogy, I think they will have a trilogy where each movie has a balanced focus on those three, but one will get the main attention and that will shift from movie to movie.

If I were Fox, I'd have that trilogy going on while also world building in other movies that center around Magneto and his children.

And that way build towards something big with both casts simultaneously, like maybe a House of M adaptation. (I think it can be done with the characters Fox has the rights to).

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Loki was great in Thor 1, since then too hammy.

Magneto
Stryker
Mystique
Sentinels
Shaw

That's a pretty darn good line-up of well done villains

 

[xrs13]

Loki was great in Thor 1, since then too hammy.

Magneto
Stryker
Mystique
Sentinels
Shaw

That's a pretty darn good line-up of well done villains

That is pretty much how I see it too. X-Men is bound to be seen as focusing on the villains because they have had really well done villains in all the films, apart from x3. The marvel films to date have had less emphasis on the villains and more on the heroes, which is good to a point for me, but I think its where they sometimes suffer.

Like in GOTG I thought the characters were really cool, but Ronan was THE most pointless villain who offered no threat whatsoever, In fact, it was his ship that posed the greatest threat and biggest moment of suspense.

Same as Dipsylas in Thor 2 (I prefer to call Malkeith Dipsylas because he reminded me of a mix between a teletubby and Legolas haha)

 

[Hamill-Joker]

The marvel films to date have had less emphasis on the villains and more on the heroes, which is good to a point for me, but I think its where they sometimes suffer.

It is best done in a more balanced manner. The villains need time in the movie in order to have some actual character development.

A great villain compliments and raises the hero to a higher level.

 

[xrs13]

It is best done in a more balanced manner. The villains need time in the movie in order to have some actual character development.

A great villain compliments and raises the hero to a higher level.

Oh I dont disagree, the X-Men villains need to make some room for the X-men to shine, but I would personally rather have a film where I think the villain could actually win and me care that they do or could believe they would win, its kinda weird because I guess in some respects that automatically means you are rooting for the villain, because you must want them to push the heroes to their breaking point before losing.

 

[x-er]

Loki was great in Thor 1, since then too hammy.

Magneto
Stryker
Mystique
Sentinels
Shaw

That's a pretty darn good line-up of well done villains

I liked Senator Kelly in X1 as well, personally.

I'm not sure about Shaw, but Emma Frost really deserves another shot. When it comes to villains, there aren't many ambiguous characters like her on screen. And now that we're two decades away from the 60's, they could definitely cast anyone they pleased.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Liev Schreiber's Sabretooth is really good too.

 

[psylockolussus]

Magneto
Stryker
Mystique
Sentinels
Shaw

That's a pretty darn good line-up of well done villains

I hope Apocalypse will join that list too! Though I will not include the Sentinels, they were basically robots w/ no character development. I mean if you're gonna include Sentinels, might as well consider the other silent henchmen of the series.

 

[xrs13]

I hope Apocalypse will join that list too! Though I will not include the Sentinels, they were basically robots w/ no character development. I mean if you're gonna include Sentinels, might as well consider the other silent henchmen of the series.

I think the Sentinels are actually kinda cool, maybe because they didnt need development because they were pure killers. Something that no other film has done yet. Every hero bar a few was killed by them. What better villain do you get haha