Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[titansupes]

^ The future sentinels were downright terrifying, from there first appearance to their last. I think a lot of these "ultimate killers/robots" can only do so much, because at the end of the day... the heroes have to survive and beat it. But that wasn't a factor this time around. They could kill whoever they wanted. And the result was a truly menacing, unstoppable, quake in your boots villain. I loved them.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I think of all CBMs the Sentinels were the most threatening, with the dofp story one with the highest stakes

 

[def28]

The Sentinels are my biggest complaint with the flick. Especially the 70s ones. Wasn't a fan of Trask/Stryker either. Mystique and Magneto stole the show again in the villain department for me and had the most powerful lines/motivation. To each their own I guess.

Sentinels should also always be a part of the X-Men verse. Was very let down that after 14 years of waiting, this seems to be it for them.

Like in GOTG I thought the characters were really cool, but Ronan was THE most pointless villain who offered no threat whatsoever, In fact, it was his ship that posed the greatest threat and biggest moment of suspense.

They disappointed with Ronan, probably my only major flaw of the film along with wanting more Nebula screen time. But not because he wasn't a threat and pointless. The dude was a full on threat who at one point murdered hundreds of Nova corps members and had no problem even taking down the most powerful character in the galaxies right hand man in front of him. He also took down Drax fairly easily who is extremely powerful. The first time you see him he's executing someone. He was very much a physical threat as well as being full on genocidal every time he's on screen . They showed that on film more then fine imo.

The major issue was that Ronan was very underdeveloped as a character, and is pretty important in the grand scheme of the Kree and Marvel cosmic universe. He was capable of much more here. Hopefully that wasn't the last of him, cause that would be a huge mistake. He's capable of being almost a Magneto type character here, in terms of politics and switching sides.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

The problem with sentinels always being a part of the X-Verse is they have to be always a part of the X-Verse.

As in, whenever there's a mutant threat send in the sentinels, every time! In movies they can't have them as an ongoing program as you'd be wondering where the hell they are all the time.

 

[def28]

The problem with sentinels always being a part of the X-Verse is they have to be always a part of the X-Verse.

As in, whenever there's a mutant threat send in the sentinels, every time! In movies they can't have them as an ongoing program as you'd be wondering where the hell they are all the time.

Good. The Sentinels are awesome and humans main way of fighting mutants. The government should have had these things around in X1. Much smarter then going head on with a powerful mutant. It makes sense.

Well, now it doesn't cause of DOFP's story but I completely disagree that would not be the way to go. It's worked more then fine (and for the better) in other X-Men media and is clearly part of the world. Film should be no different. It's really a huge major part of that universe. As long as humans are scared of mutants and the writers are playing that card they should be there. Much like the comics or cartoons it in no way means that's all they have to do all the time. But cutting out Sentinels completely definitely leaves out options.

It's even just a more realistic scenario when there are threats like Magneto, Mystique, Sabertooth etc.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I agree that it'd make sense for humanity to keep them active and send them in for any Mutant activity but that would have them showing up in every movie interfering with the x-Men vs brotherhood or hellfire club ect...

 

[def28]

I agree that it'd make sense for humanity to keep them active and send them in for any Mutant activity but that would have them showing up in every movie interfering with the x-Men vs brotherhood or hellfire club ect...

I'd much prefer it instead of fighting human fodder. Same thing only Sentinels are cooler and would be a better/smarter defense. No different then the idea of a tank showing up to a battle.

And again, there's plenty of situations where they don't need to show. It's not every time. A mesh of human and sentinels would make things much more interesting visually and power wise for the main players.

Like I just mentioned with Ronan in GOTG, underusing and completely cutting options out will not be a good choice. Even with DOFP they still have made some mistakes and eventually will have to be fix **** again. Cutting out Sentinels, The Hellfire Club and Emma out of the picture. Not a good move for future films. They play too heavily in other things down the road, and it will be a shot in the foot one way or another.

 

[xrs13]

The way I see the sentinels, they could easily be brought back looking more like the comic version, that way they can say they arent as advanced and arent as much as a problem but a constant threat.

 

[ciscostudent561]

The way I see the sentinels, they could easily be brought back looking more like the comic version, that way they can say they arent as advanced and arent as much as a problem but a constant threat.

def agree
sentinels aren't gone
just the Mark X
which is good they were to powerful

 

[GuestStar2004]

i doubt they will bring them back, esp after all the effort to stop them in DOFP

even if you bring back the 70s ones or create brand new ones you can't really say oh but these ain't like the lasts ones so its ok to bring them back

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yeah the Sentinels were a one and done villain. I'd rather we moved on and put focus on other villains, like Apoc

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It was rather brilliant the way they had the Past sentinels activated early then through Magnetos sabotage they were deemed a risk to humanity as well as mutants and that coupled with Mystique choosing not to be a villain put it back into storage.

They could continue advancing the research but not lead to the Mark X's.

Nothing in the future scene indicates that the Sentinels were never used again, they could simply be different sentinels and not as apocalyptic in their programming.

Cutting out Sentinels, The Hellfire Club and Emma out of the picture. Not a good move for future films. They play too heavily in other things down the road, and it will be a shot in the foot one way or another.

That's not really unique to X-Men though. Iron Man can't feature Iron Monger or Whiplash again. Thor can't feature Malekith again, The Raimi Spidey movies couldn't reuse Goblin or Ock again. Guardians can't reuse Ronan again.

Strangely enough the franchise with the most current re-usability of villains again is ASM. They can reuse Lizard, Goblin, Rhino and possibly even Electro if he reconstitutes after his dispersion. That's essentially all villains.

 

[def28]

That's not really unique to X-Men though. Iron Man can't feature Iron Monger or Whiplash again. Thor can't feature Malekith again, The Raimi Spidey movies couldn't reuse Goblin or Ock again. Guardians can't reuse Ronan again.

Strangely enough the franchise with the most current re-usability of villains again is ASM. They can reuse Lizard, Goblin, Rhino and possibly even Electro if he reconstitutes after his dispersion. That's essentially all villains.

Which is why I said it's a big mistake to not use Ronan again. That's no excuse, I'm not cutting Guardians any slack there either. Should have used someone else if they want to throw away potential. Luckily Nebula still has a chance for development.

There's a huge difference between Whiplash and Malekith vs Sentinels and Emma Frost. Frost has been the right hand of Cyclops for like the past 15 years (as well as the past 2 cartoons) on top of being a major villain before hand, she's also been a major player in the Mavrel universe as a whole at times. Sentinels have been a constant threat. They are secruity drones against mutants. Not actual characters. Minus Nimrod or maybe Master mold. They are more a similar comparison to hydra soldiers. They are always there. If Fox was willing to shell out more money back then, I'm pretty sure we would have seen them in the OT.

Spider-Man was right by re using Goblin through multiple films to an extant. And they should have not killed Doc Ock either. Maybe they didn't, who knows. It can set up other things. He was a brilliant villain and one of the best. Just like with how X-Men didn't kill Magneto off. It's just dumb when characters have that much unused potential for story telling.

 

[BMM]

I wish they wouldn't have killed off Banshee and Emma. I liked Caleb Landry Jones' portrayal and the fact that Banshee's age tied in well with Siryn's in the original trilogy. As for Emma, she seems like too important a character to kill off between films. Granted, I think her more memorable character arcs have already been wasted (the Dark Phoenix Saga and anything to do with Cyclops), but she could have reappeared down the line, perhaps with the Hellions or even as a questionable addition to the School. I'm not sure January Jones could pull it off, but what's done is done. Then again, we never did see evidence of their deaths, so I guess it's possible they could come back. Though, I think production is more interested in exploring other characters now, like Cyclops, Storm, and Apocalypse.

 

[xrs13]

The interesting thing I want to know, is obviously the BIG villains are going to have been used now(Magneto, Phoenix, Apocalypse), so does that mean for the next trillogy if there is one, we will get Onslaught and Sinister and maybe Sinister is the reason Onslaught is created (That would be cool).

I know the X-Men have many villains, but not that many very big name ones that we havent already seen.

 

[Mr.M]

I don't think Apocalypse is a one off, although who knows? Sinister will be the main guy to fight here on. I think they will also revisit the Phoenix.

 

[kasjan]

Sinister should be main villain when Scott and Jean will be main heroes.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I wish they wouldn't have killed off Banshee and Emma. I liked Caleb Landry Jones' portrayal and the fact that Banshee's age tied in well with Siryn's in the original trilogy. As for Emma, she seems like too important a character to kill off between films. Granted, I think her more memorable character arcs have already been wasted (the Dark Phoenix Saga and anything to do with Cyclops), but she could have reappeared down the line, perhaps with the Hellions or even as a questionable addition to the School. I'm not sure January Jones could pull it off, but what's done is done. Then again, we never did see evidence of their deaths, so I guess it's possible they could come back. Though, I think production is more interested in exploring other characters now, like Cyclops, Storm, and Apocalypse.

I'm with you on the idea that Banshee shoulda lived and Emma too. I just don't see how you coulda fit them in the story anywhere. Anytime on film for the next 3 (4 if u include Dofp) movies woulda been minimal.

 

[HIA]

Sinister should be main villain when Scott and Jean will be main heroes.

agreed. I dont need a secondary approah to these three characters in favour of the same leads.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I know the X-Men have many villains, but not that many very big name ones that we havent already seen.

I feel like the villians are as big as you make them. FOX needs to go big or go home with these next movies. And take advantage of the FF connections. Lets go exploring in the Savage Land or goto space and fight the Shi'ar or the Skrulls. I'd love to see a X-Men: Deadly Genesis film. The Phalanx or The Brood.. Cassandra Nova could have a triology herself vs Prof. X. Proteous or The Shadow King. Not to mention X-Men vs DOOM!

 

[MarvelU]

I think there is a chance that they activate the Sentinels again for Apocalypse, when they see just how dangerous mutants can be by destroying cities and such. Maybe Trask will play a significant role again. But of course the new X-Men team have to protect the day for it to make sense that the new happy future at the end of X-Men Days of Future Past is free of advanced sentinels. It depends if FOX want the Sentinels to be recurring robots in the X-Men franchise. They do have the sentinels stored somewhere in their storage room, so they may want to use them again. But then there is also the chance that we don't see them ever again.

 

[terry78]

We never did see a Master Mold, that's what I think should be integrated at some point. Basically say what was the major programming flaw that caused them to start targeting anyone that may remotely be part and parcel to mutants.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

I've just read on a couple of sites that the Four Horsemen have allegedly been revealed....

Spoiler

Archangel, Holocaust, Exodus and Selene

....IF this is true....the X-men have their hands full as hell...

 

[EnDz0n3]

No to Cassandra Nova please.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I've just read on a couple of sites that the Four Horsemen have allegedly been revealed....

Spoiler

Archangel, Holocaust, Exodus and Selene

....IF this is true....the X-men have their hands full as hell...

I don't buy it.
I don't buy it.
Not at all.
Especially for name #2

PS ur sig is much truth n awesomeness