Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[Mr.M]

If anything, I'd like to see Havoc return. I know they said Banshee and Emma died, but it's still possible to say they were missing from Vietnam or went into hiding. Those characters need development for sure.

I still say the end game is another trilogy down the line. How far down the line? Within 10 years of Apocalypse tops. It will depend on how much additional continuity they want to shed from the OT with Apocolypse, given current character ages and limitations.

 

[HIA]

It's a shame the first class "trilogy" won't be much about that "class". Considering most of the members of that esteemed class other than the core ones are dead, displaced, or have disappeared. I hope they bring back Havok and give him a meatier role.

a huge shame. Whats the point of introducing new cool characters to kill them off after the 1st movie? from a building a franchise point of view, thats stupid in all levels.

 

[Havok83]

The First Class team was lame anyway. Only Havok and maybe Banshee were interesting enough to follow up on.

 

[JEM]

IMO, Fox will not reboot the X franchise soon if the money is here .
You don't create a big universe if you want reboot the franchise in the next few years .
Marvels Studios will not reboot after Avengers 3.
WB will not reboot after Justice League.

Imagine if Fox does new X men trilogy, Deadpool, Gambit, X force and they are all successful .You will not see a reboot until 2025 .
If they flop, it is a different story .....

 

[HIA]

The First Class team was lame anyway. Only Havok and maybe Banshee were interesting enough to follow up on.

I was mainlyy talking about Havok, Banshee, Emma and Azazel. Four great characters with so much potential, and all so different from each other. And Banshee was the only flying mutant of this new trilogy, so what a waste, man... what a waste. Not to mention he had a sense of humour, something needed from time to time.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They aren't rebooting.They already had their "reboot" It was the time travel erasing 50 years of history Including entire X-Men trilogy,and most of both
wolverine films In DOFP.With most of original cast seen as new older versions of characters at end of DOFP they have opotion of another film with oriignal cast if they want to.The smart money Is on films contuning In contunity after events of Apocalypse.What would be point of rebooting after Apocalypse since they just did away with most of contuity of film except for FC and the 1973,new future,and post credit scene of DOFP.Ok maybe you should add pre 1973 parts of both wolverine films as happening.Why would they bother with deadpool as part of X-Men film universe If they were "ending" series with Apocalypse.

 

[VM1138]

The First Class team was not good. Cheesy, bad acting and bland. I can only assume others agreed which is why they basically abandoned that team.

Only Mystique, Xavier, Magneto and maybe Beast were worth bringing back.

 

[Mr.M]

It’s way too early for a reboot. You just brought back the OT for an X-3 sequel. The OT is still very fresh in people’s minds. If they continue to ignore that continuity, and the OT merely serves as a backdrop for movies going forward, then I am going to consider FC as “the reboot”. It could then be perceived that perhaps some variation of the OT existed in the old timeline, but certain characters/events are to be ignored entirely, and this can be a very pernicious thing to the unilateral universe Fox is trying to build up. If they continue to muck up the continuity in the franchise with respect to character ages and events that should or can no longer occur (irrespective of changes directly or indirectly resulting from the time travel to 1973), then it’s obvious the franchise has already been rebooted.

For me, 1983 is not the place to see the original X-Men. The characters should be children. Teenagers at most. If Angel shows up, then I really don’t know what to think. Seems like they preserved Kitty from TLS, but other characters that were perfectly salvageable from the OT will now be ignored. It really becomes a slippery slope at this point. Obviously there are ways to get around the ages of certain characters and events from a comic book movie standpoint, but I can’t view the OT as being of any relevance, whether one wants to hold onto them or not. But the opportunity is there, right now, to completely shed the OT and complete "the reboot", by providing us with events and characters that completely contradict Singer’s original films, if that's what Fox really wants. Can't say I'd blame them if they went that route.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

It’s way too early for a reboot. You just brought back the OT for an X-3 sequel. The OT is still very fresh in people’s minds. If they continue to ignore that continuity, and the OT merely serves as a backdrop for movies going forward, then I am going to consider FC as “the reboot”. It could then be perceived that perhaps some variation of the OT existed in the old timeline, but certain characters/events are to be ignored entirely, and this can be a very pernicious thing to the unilateral universe Fox is trying to build up. If they continue to muck up the continuity in the franchise with respect to character ages and events that should or can no longer occur (irrespective of changes directly or indirectly resulting from the time travel to 1973), then it’s obvious the franchise has already been rebooted.

For me, 1983 is not the place to see the original X-Men. The characters should be children. Teenagers at most. If Angel shows up, then I really don’t know what to think. Seems like they preserved Kitty from TLS, but other characters that were perfectly salvageable from the OT will now be ignored. It really becomes a slippery slope at this point. Obviously there are ways to get around the ages of certain characters and events from a comic book movie standpoint, but I can’t view the OT as being of any relevance, whether one wants to hold onto them or not. But the opportunity is there, right now, to completely shed the OT and complete "the reboot", by providing us with events and characters that completely contradict Singer’s original films, if that's what Fox really wants. Can't say I'd blame them if they went that route.

Cyclops/Storm/Phoenix would be 13/14 around 1983. Seems appropriate given the fact that Beast, Mystique, Magneto and Wheels are going to remain the focus for one last main hurrah.

 

[kasjan]

Now when we have new timeline, and we don't know what happened after 1973 till 2023, Wolverine could join Avengers in phase 3 in present (if FOX makes agree with Disney for using Jackman/Wolverine) :P

 

[GuestStar2004]

The First Class team was not good. Cheesy, bad acting and bland. I can only assume others agreed which is why they basically abandoned that team.

Only Mystique, Xavier, Magneto and maybe Beast were worth bringing back.

banshee was a good character, more could have been done with azazel who was a pretty cool character in FC

They abandoned them as you say though for story purposes not because of FC

 

[HIA]

agreed. To say Banshee or Azazel werent good.... its doing too much, imo. They had a great introduction, small roles yes, but still great characters to explore and develop. But the creative team wasnt interested in them enough, so thats why they killed them all. Sad and wrong move, it will always be to me.

One thing is to leave one character out for one movie, but to kill him forever, not leaving the door open for another director or spin-off to explore him its really wrong. And at the end of the day, killing a character off screen is cheap storytelling. Like sooo cheap.

 

[Havok83]

It’s way too early for a reboot. You just brought back the OT for an X-3 sequel. The OT is still very fresh in people’s minds. If they continue to ignore that continuity, and the OT merely serves as a backdrop for movies going forward, then I am going to consider FC as “the reboot”. It could then be perceived that perhaps some variation of the OT existed in the old timeline, but certain characters/events are to be ignored entirely, and this can be a very pernicious thing to the unilateral universe Fox is trying to build up. If they continue to muck up the continuity in the franchise with respect to character ages and events that should or can no longer occur (irrespective of changes directly or indirectly resulting from the time travel to 1973), then it’s obvious the franchise has already been rebooted.

For me, 1983 is not the place to see the original X-Men. The characters should be children. Teenagers at most. If Angel shows up, then I really don’t know what to think. Seems like they preserved Kitty from TLS, but other characters that were perfectly salvageable from the OT will now be ignored. It really becomes a slippery slope at this point. Obviously there are ways to get around the ages of certain characters and events from a comic book movie standpoint, but I can’t view the OT as being of any relevance, whether one wants to hold onto them or not. But the opportunity is there, right now, to completely shed the OT and complete "the reboot", by providing us with events and characters that completely contradict Singer’s original films, if that's what Fox really wants. Can't say I'd blame them if they went that route.

Too early? This franchise has been going on for nearly 15 years. A reboot should have been happened already but they keep extending this instead

I was mainlyy talking about Havok, Banshee, Emma and Azazel. Four great characters with so much potential, and all so different from each other. And Banshee was the only flying mutant of this new trilogy, so what a waste, man... what a waste. Not to mention he had a sense of humour, something needed from time to time.

banshee was a good character, more could have been done with azazel who was a pretty cool character in FC

They abandoned them as you say though for story purposes not because of FC

agreed. To say Banshee or Azazel werent good.... its doing too much, imo. They had a great introduction, small roles yes, but still great characters to explore and develop. But the creative team wasnt interested in them enough, so thats why they killed them all. Sad and wrong move, it will always be to me.

I really don't get why people keep saying that. I can agree on Banshee, but Azazel was barely a character in FC. He served one purpose and that was to teleport the team around. There was literally no characterization to be found and I don't see how he could be considered a great character. Could he have potential in a followup? Sure, but as it stands, there was nothing about him, that I could see as a good character. Nothing was done with him to support that. Shaw and Emma were the HFC members who were actually written as characters

 

[Duran Man]

The only use I have for Azazel is his part in Nightcrawler's conception.

 

[magneto23]

I'd just prefer they tell their FC story. It's shaping to be one of the better tightly nit trilogies in CB lore, if not trilogies in cinema. I don't want to jinx it or anything, but I'm not interested in seeing the classic X-Men and all their glory at the expense of concluding the story at hand. We will get X-Men films in the future, but I'm in no rush to see all of them half assed into what should be an epic Apocalypse adaptation.

Why does the intro to the "classic X-Men" have to automatically detract from concluding the FC story in a satisfactory way? We're talking about secondary characters here. We all know who will be front and center. And whether its a "half assed" mess depends entirely on the writing.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Too early? This franchise has been going on for nearly 15 years. A reboot should have been happened already but they keep extending this instead

The claims the series has been around 14 years it should be rebooted Is a faulty Premise.And the reboot obsession Is part of problem.

People complained on Sony rebboting Spider-man.

I gurante you when Daniel Craig leaves Bond they will return to how they handled it In past.Simply recast and keep going.After next Star Trek film I doudt even if the cast doesn't want to return they reboot again.After Avengers 3 when most of contracts expire I doudt DIsney and MS reboot.Some recasting Is bound to happen.

The fact remains by large degree the X-Men films have already been rebooted In DOFP.After the time travel mission Is complete the trilogy and much of both Origins and The wolverine have been erased.Apocalypse will only be dealing with contunity of FC and DOFP excluding the future scenes with Sentinles.Apocalypse looks to further push series even further away from Trilogy.Wolverine will have totally different backstory.There may be no Weapon X.Nightcrawler may be completly removed from X2 version If he makes the cut for Apocalypse.Being brought In as teenager.If you are fan of X-Men,X2,and the wolverine or fan of trilogy the films and versions you loved are no longer a part of contunity expect for backstory of time travel mission In DOFP and that's going to be less Important as films go on.And I will take the unpopular oporion that apart from Michael Fassbender as Magneto the FC versions aren't as good as OT versions.

Then people have it In their heads that If they rebooted completly they would be completly like the 616 versions,would be totaly like avengers and GOTG and be much more sussessful

1:Look at every marvel character.A total reboot would be based more on Ultimate X-Men just like Amazing SPider-man Is based more on ultimate Spider-man.The FF reboot Is based on Ultimate FF.Even the MS films have a lot of ultimate influences In them.
2:X-Men Is always going to be darker than most MS films.Deadpool solo film Is one thing.But most X_Men stories are not going to be comedys
3:Malifenct and Transformers outgrossed DOFP DOmesticly and WW.GOTG did domesticly and may do it WW too.DOFP did very well Against Thor the dark world Captain America the Winter Soldier and The Amazing Spider-man 2.But,they will never do business Iron Man films,GOTG,and The Avengers did Domesticly.

 

[Havok83]

The claims the series has been around 14 years it should be rebooted Is a faulty Premise.And the reboot obsession Is part of problem.

I didnt say it needs to be rebooted bc its been around 14 years. I thought it should have been rebooted after X-men 3, when it had only been around 6 years. Its definitely not the time that is the reason for me thinking so. Me bringing up the nearly 15 years was a direct repsonse to the notion that its too early

People complained on Sony rebboting Spider-man.

I thought Amazing Spiderman, was well...amazing and better than the original films. Its too bad the sequel sucked bc they had good momentum after the first

I gurante you when Daniel Craig leaves Bond they will return to how they handled it In past.Simply recast and keep going.After next Star Trek film I doudt even if the cast doesn't want to return they reboot again.After Avengers 3 when most of contracts expire I doudt DIsney and MS reboot.Some recasting Is bound to happen.

Thats nice but Im really not all that concerned with what is going on in the Star Trek and 007 franchises

The fact remains by large degree the X-Men films have already been rebooted In DOFP.After the time travel mission Is complete the trilogy and much of both Origins and The wolverine have been erased.Apocalypse will only be dealing with contunity of FC and DOFP excluding the future scenes with Sentinles.Apocalypse looks to further push series even further away from Trilogy.Wolverine will have totally different backstory.There may be no Weapon X.Nightcrawler may be completly removed from X2 version If he makes the cut for Apocalypse.Being brought In as teenager.If you are fan of X-Men,X2,and the wolverine or fan of trilogy the films and versions you loved are no longer a part of contunity expect for backstory of time travel mission In DOFP and that's going to be less Important as films go on.And I will take the unpopular oporion that apart from Michael Fassbender as Magneto the FC versions aren't as good as OT versions.

The series hasnt been rebooted. They all are connected thanks to DoFP establishing that link and all exist within the same continuity. Id rather a new film start fresh, completely removed from all of it and not held within the contraints of the previous films

Then people have it In their heads that If they rebooted completly they would be completly like the 616 versions,would be totaly like avengers and GOTG and be much more sussessful

Who mentioned anything of 616 here? That's you making assumptions

1:Look at every marvel character.A total reboot would be based more on Ultimate X-Men just like Amazing SPider-man Is based more on ultimate Spider-man.The FF reboot Is based on Ultimate FF.Even the MS films have a lot of ultimate influences In them.
2:X-Men Is always going to be darker than most MS films.Deadpool solo film Is one thing.But most X_Men stories are not going to be comedys
3:Malifenct and Transformers outgrossed DOFP DOmesticly and WW.GOTG did domesticly and may do it WW too.DOFP did very well Against Thor the dark world Captain America the Winter Soldier and The Amazing Spider-man 2.But,they will never do business Iron Man films,GOTG,and The Avengers did Domesticly.

1. I dont have an issue with that considering I thought those films were great and have hopes for FF. Even the original Xmen films incorporated some Ultimate influences.

2. Okay? Did I mention moving the X-flms towards comedy

3. And what does this have to do with my post?

 

[Loki882]

Rebooting is just lazy. "Oh we cannot make it work, so let's just start over." No thanks.

 

[psylockolussus]

Do people honestly want a 15/16 year old Cyclops leading the X-Men against Apocalypse? How unrealistic is that? Even if they don't cast that young, certainly the actor will be playing the character close to or around that age. I just don't get it. You people want to see X-Men front and center, but would rather have a teeney bopper cast provide that for you, as opposed to waiting for the next series of films. Good thing the producers are hardly ever on the same page as fanboys.

Who says about Cyclops already leading the team, we might see their early years, and it would take TIME before Cyclops actually lead the team, Prof X is not gonna recruit him and just give him the leader role right from the start, and just because they are kids, it doesn't mean it won't be good. Have you seen the Incredibles?

And Cyclops/Storm/Jean as really young kids fits well to what Kinberg said that Apocalypse is set 20 years before X1.

 

[kasjan]

@Havok
Reboot for my kids, not for me.
If this serie keeps alive, it only means it's good.
Avengers serie has 11 years, so you mean reboot in 2018?

 

[Havok83]

@Havok
Reboot for my kids, not for me.
If this serie keeps alive, it only means it's good.
Avengers serie has 11 years, so you mean reboot in 2018?

So you ignored what I wrote? Cool

 

[GuestStar2004]

The only use I have for Azazel is his part in Nightcrawler's conception.

Pfft who needs to know about something like that

 

[Iceman]

If this serie keeps alive, it only means it's good.

It kept alive during X3 and XMO:W too.t:

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

They aren't rebooting.They already had their "reboot" It was the time travel erasing 50 years of history Including entire X-Men trilogy,and most of both
wolverine films In DOFP.With most of original cast seen as new older versions of characters at end of DOFP they have opotion of another film with oriignal cast if they want to.The smart money Is on films contuning In contunity after events of Apocalypse.What would be point of rebooting after Apocalypse since they just did away with most of contuity of film except for FC and the 1973,new future,and post credit scene of DOFP.Ok maybe you should add pre 1973 parts of both wolverine films as happening.Why would they bother with deadpool as part of X-Men film universe If they were "ending" series with Apocalypse.

Agreed. The reboot has come already but its a uniqe reboot as it allows the existing cast to continue if that was desired.

Now when we have new timeline, and we don't know what happened after 1973 till 2023, Wolverine could join Avengers in phase 3 in present (if FOX makes agree with Disney for using Jackman/Wolverine) :P

Never going to happen.

banshee was a good character, more could have been done with azazel who was a pretty cool character in FC

They abandoned them as you say though for story purposes not because of FC

Yeah i am gonna miss those two most of all, Banshee was a good character that if developed more couldve been great and Azazel was like Darth Maul. Silent but badass

 

[Feenix]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/10/04/x-men-apocalypse-to-focus-more-on-jennifer-lawrences-mystique

Kinda bummed about this. I love Mystique, but I'm not a fan of how Lawrence portrays her and to think the movie is going to be focused on her is a bit of a let down.