Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - Part 2

[GuestStar2004]

On the plane he says something like "you have seen all the bad, but you have also seen the good" so I assume he has seen more than we saw in that scene.

I thought the good was at the temple with his older self who gave him hope again

The whole thing with cerebro was to say all he could see was pain and sadness and when he read logans mind he see logans pain, unless that was just for the audience sake the shots we see from logans past I dunno

 

[marvelrobbins]

What Xavier knows from reading wolverine's mind about past film that are mostly gone from Contunity Is up to creative team.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

On the plane he says something like "you have seen all the bad, but you have also seen the good" so I assume he has seen more than we saw in that scene.

Just like in First Class with him and Erick outside the CIA.

"What do you know about me?"
"Everything."

 

[Illuminata]

OK if it's a reboot does this mean that Jubilee, Colossus, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Kitty and Bobby can all be recasted with younger actors. Similar to how they are doing Scott/Storm/Jean?

Because that would be the best for this franchise at this point.

 

[Robin91939]

OK if it's a reboot does this mean that Jubilee, Colossus, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Kitty and Bobby can all be recasted with younger actors. Similar to how they are doing Scott/Storm/Jean?

Because that would be the best for this franchise at this point.

I would say only if the characters would have been alive in the 80s/teenagers at that time.


So I'd say Nightcrawler is a go.

Bobby, Kitty, Rogue and Jubilee are all no-gos as they would be not born/infants/toddlers in the early 80s.

-R

 

[BMM]

Right. Apocalypse is not a reboot in that sense. From a casting standpoint, it's like First Class for the most part. They're casting younger versions of Cyclops, Jean, and Storm in Apocalypse for the same reason they cast younger versions of Charles, Erik, Hank, and Raven in First Class. These characters are alive at the particular point in time in which the movie is set, relative to their ages in the original trilogy. The writers may choose to fudge it a bit, especially with less prevalent characters, but don't expect to see someone as prominent as Paquin's Rogue to be recast and suddenly a teenager in the early 1980s.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Casting has begun t:

Let the wild speculation begin

 

[Havok83]

I would say only if the characters would have been alive in the 80s/teenagers at that time.


So I'd say Nightcrawler is a go.

Bobby, Kitty, Rogue and Jubilee are all no-gos as they would be not born/infants/toddlers in the early 80s.

-R

Which is why Id rather they do a real reboot bc they are bound to a degree by the original's continuity and any changes will screw with the timeline of things.

 

[JP]

We already have Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and a slew of others who can potentially show up. Why do we need to have the option of dumping Bobby, Kitty, Rogue and Jubilee on top of that?

 

[Havok83]

We already have Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and a slew of others who can potentially show up. Why do we need to have the option of dumping Bobby, Kitty, Rogue and Jubilee on top of that?

Because they already tried to give themselves an out for that. In reference to Warren (and he'd fall under the same category as those mentioned) being in Apocalypse, Kinberg already said that the time travel in DoFP could have altered things so that characters may have been born earlier, which IMO is stupid.

 

[JP]

How exactly is that stupid? They're not looking for an "out". Kinberg was asked specifically, and gave an answer. I highly doubt 10-year-old Warren will appear in XMA.

 

[Havok83]

How exactly is that stupid? They're not looking for an "out". Kinberg was asked specifically, and gave an answer. I highly doubt 10-year-old Warren will appear in XMA.

for the reason I gave. People have different metrics for what they find stupid and to me characters possibly being born years earlier than they are supposed to be, in order to account for age inconsistencies due to this large time span that's been created, is stupid to me

 

[pavlov]

It makes ZERO commercial sense to reboot now. I say stay with the current FC cast plus younger versions of OT X-Men. If the new young cast are good, then we just might continue to see them post-apocalypse.

 

[HIA]

for the reason I gave. People have different metrics for what they find stupid and to me characters possibly being born years earlier than they are supposed to be, in order to account for age inconsistencies due to this large time span that's been created, is stupid to me

agreed. Not to mention that Warren parents would be much much younger, so thats quite unrealistic and yeah... stupid, lol.

 

[xrs13]

People love to nitpick. They try and fix continuity by erasing things and when they do people complain that it isnt a reboot when infact it is a very clever new way to continue the films with a second continuity. So what if some characters are different ages because of different births, So what if that means we have to suspend reality in order to believe these things.

You are watching a cbm, things like this happen all the time in the comics, age isnt even a thing in comics so for the fact people seem so caught up on it in a film really baffles me (Especially when they have tried to address the ages thing with a decent answer for a film universe)

Sheeesh!

Sorry if I sound forward but we fans ruin our own things by hating every thing we can.

Someone take me back to being a member of the general audience...

 

[Havok83]

People love to nitpick. They try and fix continuity by erasing things and when they do people complain that it isnt a reboot when infact it is a very clever new way to continue the films with a second continuity. So what if some characters are different ages because of different births, So what if that means we have to suspend reality in order to believe these things.

so what is that some people find it stupid, which was what was being explained. You dont and thats great for you

You are watching a cbm, things like this happen all the time in the comics, age isnt even a thing in comics so for the fact people seem so caught up on it in a film really baffles me (Especially when they have tried to address the ages thing with a decent answer for a film universe)

Sheeesh!

Sorry if I sound forward but we fans ruin our own things by hating every thing we can.

Someone take me back to being a member of the general audience...

and time travel is arguably the single one plot device that gets ragged on the most in comics. When there's inconsistencies and retcons change things to make no sense, you better believe people call that out and have issues. It happening "all the time" in comics, doesnt make it anymore acceptable when it happens. You're on the internet. I'm sure you've stumbled upon many a thread of people having issues with that stuff in various issues/stories. Dont act like its something thats popping up exclusively with the films

 

[xrs13]

so what is that some people find it stupid, which was what was being explained. You dont and thats great for you


and time travel is arguably the single one plot device that gets ragged on the most in comics. When there's inconsistencies and retcons change things to make no sense, you better believe people call that out and have issues. It happening "all the time" in comics, doesnt make it anymore acceptable when it happens. You're on the internet. I'm sure you've stumbled upon many a thread of people having issues with that stuff in various issues/stories. Dont act like its something thats popping up exclusively with the films

Time travel gets called out, but not age. The time travel in these films is straight forward enough because it has only used one medium (compared to comics using about 100 different methods of travel and continuities and universes and paradoxes), the fact they have said that it means ages can be affected in the film series should mean there is no quibble or qualm in my opinion.

 

[Havok83]

Time travel gets called out, but not age. The time travel in these films is straight forward enough because it has only used one medium (compared to comics using about 100 different methods of travel and continuities and universes and paradoxes), the fact they have said that it means ages can be affected in the film series should mean there is no quibble or qualm in my opinion.

Well time travel is the whole reason behind the potential age changes. And IDA about ages in comics. How many times have people complained about Franklin Richards seemingly being 10 forever? Thats the most famous example, especially since he was the same age range as Power Pack, whom are mainly young adults now. Or Emma Frost being 27 in New X-men? Or just how old the original 5 are? And there was Jubilee going from 15 to 13 and them seemingly not aging for more than a decade, which got a bit of debate, as did Kitty. I remember Fraction got called out when he had Cannonball say he was 21 in Uncanny X-men, bc it was inconsistent since he was supposed to be older. People do make an issue of age when a writer goofs it up or rather just outright changes things bc they need it to fit a plot

 

[def28]

Time travel gets called out, but not age. The time travel in these films is straight forward enough because it has only used one medium (compared to comics using about 100 different methods of travel and continuities and universes and paradoxes), the fact they have said that it means ages can be affected in the film series should mean there is no quibble or qualm in my opinion.

Yup, that shouldn't be an issue since this just did a light reboot of sorts. While I can understand wanting a full reboot in general for whatever reasons, the age thing shouldn't be a big deal. The film makers made that move so they have all their options open but can still follow the path of their pre established leads and stories. I don't see the issue. They had no idea things would be where they are now ten years ago. They aren't limited now.

I'd have thought the move would have made evreyone happy tbh.

 

[xrs13]

Yup, that shouldn't be an issue since this just did a light reboot of sorts. The film makers made that move so they have all their options open but can still follow the path of their pre established leads. I don't see the issue. They had no idea things would be where they are ten years ago. Now they aren't limited.

I'd have thought the move would have made everyone happy tbh.

I guess like Havok said to me. This is the internet haha (Ya think we would be used to it by now)

 

[kasjan]

We don't need recast characters not even born in 1983. Longshot and Dazzler better fit to 80's and still weren't at big screen.
Also like someone mentioned, we already have 12 characters in this movie.

 

[HIA]

I just find curious how most fans havent liked how the net has made fun of Fox and all the continuity mistakes and ignored stuff during all these years, and now that the franchise is back on track, some fans want Fox to continue that same approach, time travel or not.

But its exactly the same story, however you wanna call it, lol

 

[SuperT]

What? No one is saying Fox should repeat the same continuity mistakes. They can't use Iceman, Rogue, Kitty or Colossus - okay big deal. I'd easily trade them in a heartbeat if we're possibly getting Cykes, Storm, Jean, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and a host of others. I'd even be fine if they came up with some time travel effect that causes Angel to be born earlier than usual.

The other thing is that Fox shouldn't be tied down to stupid cameo appearances in the past movies such as Siryn, Psylocke, Madrox etc. No one is going to be upset that a character, who aren't even minor, show up again in a newly created timeline.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The only thing they are really bound to Is fact Wolverine In 2023 will be at mansion as Teacher and so will Kitty & Colossus-possibly In romantic relationship like comics,Beast-who will accept his mutation like version seen In Last Stand,Storm,Jean Grey,and Cyclops.Iceman and Rogue are also at mansion In romantic relationship like one they had In trilogy.Xavier Is running school In hoverchair-like 1990's animated and comic version.

Rogue,Iceman,Colossus,and Kitty won't be 1980's and 1990's set films.But beyond that anything goes.

You already have Xavier,Magneto,Mystique,Wolverine,Beast,Apocalypse,Cyclops,Jean,Storm,and Quicksilver set for Apocalypse.Plus Nightcrawler and Gambit while not
100 percent confirmed are good possibiltys to be In Apocalypse.Then there are others like Scarlet Witch and Deadpool who could show up In film.They have tons of characters they can use without iceman,Kitty,Rogue,Colossus.

Kinberg's comments about characters being born earlier may be about those who showed up briefly In past films like Psylocke.

DOFP was already somewhat of a reboot.They want to make the FC contunity the one series follows.But the want to try to silence fans of Trilogy by saying there Is still "connection" to those films and new films.Thus much of original cast In ending of DOFP.And they have opotion of using cast again If they choose even though contunity of trilogy Is out the door.

 

[x-er]

The only thing they are really bound to Is fact Wolverine In 2023 will be at mansion as Teacher and so will Kitty & Colossus-possibly In romantic relationship like comics,Beast-who will accept his mutation like version seen In Last Stand,Storm,Jean Grey,and Cyclops.Iceman and Rogue are also at mansion In romantic relationship like one they had In trilogy.Xavier Is running school In hoverchair-like 1990's animated and comic version.

but they're only bound to that for that moment in 2023 in the timeline altered by Shadowcat & co. anything before or after that hasn't been told and is not really set in stone if time travel and reality-altering events are possible.

Either way, one thing that I like about the X-Films is that, when Bryan Singer's in charge, the movies are good, but they're also not the same movie as the previous one. X1, X2 and x4/Dofp all are a great part of the franchise but they're also very original sci-fi movies independently.