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[spideyboy_1111]

When has she ever done a Russian accent? I am not trying to be cute I'm just genuinely curious.

... if you can speak russian.. you can do that accent. and for as much crap as some of you like to give her.. Scar-jo has talent in spades... she'd easily be able to do the russian accent better than Wanda and Pietro did an eastern european one..

but that's all besides the point. In the comics, it's canon she doesn't have a russian accent. she lost it with all her linguistics training, especially when people weren't suppose to know she was a russian spy...

cartoons are BS... I mean, they gave otto a german one in the 90s spider-man.. and Wolverine and australian one in Pryde of the X-men... cartoons arn't canon

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It may have felt terrible so it was something they were developing in each movie, not something that was just thrown at you in one movie and forced. That's why I say it was forced because it came left field. I'm not a fan of Raven/Beast pairing either but at least they tried to develop it over a couple movies.

but it came out of left field TO YOU.. again, LOTS of people picked up on it in avengers... and many of us fanboys were dreading them going that route in the sequel... and they did. it wasn't out of left field at all. Nat and Banner always had chemistry.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Hopefully in post apocalypse X-Men films jean and storm get interaction.

 

[X-Maniac]

Hopefully in post apocalypse X-Men films jean and storm get interaction.

A good way to form a sisterly bond is that both have awesome destructive powers that they need to keep under control... in that sense they are similar and we have seen the dark side of Storm in X-Men: Apocalypse.

If they don't use that as part of a reason for a friendship, it will be a missed opportunity...

 

[jaymes_e06]

... if you can speak russian.. you can do that accent. and for as much crap as some of you like to give her.. Scar-jo has talent in spades... she'd easily be able to do the russian accent better than Wanda and Pietro did an eastern european one..

but that's all besides the point. In the comics, it's canon she doesn't have a russian accent. she lost it with all her linguistics training, especially when people weren't suppose to know she was a russian spy...

cartoons are BS... I mean, they gave otto a german one in the 90s spider-man.. and Wolverine and australian one in Pryde of the X-men... cartoons arn't canon

So I'm getting you don't have an instance she used an accent huh?

Why do you think every person who knows a language can instantly know how to do said languages accent?

I know many who can't do a british accent though they speak English...

 

[BeholdMe]

but it came out of left field TO YOU.. again, LOTS of people picked up on it in avengers... and many of us fanboys were dreading them going that route in the sequel... and they did. it wasn't out of left field at all. Nat and Banner always had chemistry.

It was not me I know your a huge fan of the franchise but it's true the Hulk/Widow pairing came out of nowhere I was very shocked when I saw it onscreen in AoU but I will rewatch the Avengers and look for some hints. At one point I thought her and Hawkeye were an item.I know LOTS of people were confused by there forced romance I never said they didn't have chemistry onscreen just the romance was forced. As I said with Raven/Beast they were apparently pairing them up even though it was a mess to me. I do hope these movies blow Scarlet Witch into the stratosphere.

 

[jaymes_e06]

but it came out of left field TO YOU.. again, LOTS of people picked up on it in avengers... and many of us fanboys were dreading them going that route in the sequel... and they did. it wasn't out of left field at all. Nat and Banner always had chemistry.

It came out of left field for many. Joss Whedon took a hit on social media because of it he shortly after deactivated his account because of the backlash he was getting fofor pairing two characters that weren't really made to have an obvious connection like Nat and Clint or her and Steve.

 

[GuestStar2004]

but it came out of left field TO YOU.. again, LOTS of people picked up on it in avengers... and many of us fanboys were dreading them going that route in the sequel... and they did. it wasn't out of left field at all. Nat and Banner always had chemistry.

I thought she had more chemistry with capt and iron man then she did banner.

If anthing i thought in the sequel they were gonna play on her terror of the hulk which they seemed to keep showin in the first movie, but in the sequel she got over it and was almost flirting with the hulk.

it felt random

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So I'm getting you don't have an instance she used an accent huh?

Why do you think every person who knows a language can instantly know how to do said languages accent?

I know many who can't do a british accent though they speak English...

why are you so assumptive that the blame must be on scar-jo ?

a russian accent isn't that had to be quite honest..., it may be stereotypical.. but no more so than the eastern European one...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It was not me I know your a huge fan of the franchise but it's true the Hulk/Widow pairing came out of nowhere I was very shocked when I saw it onscreen in AoU but I will rewatch the Avengers and look for some hints. At one point I thought her and Hawkeye were an item.I know LOTS of people were confused by there forced romance I never said they didn't have chemistry onscreen just the romance was forced. As I said with Raven/Beast they were apparently pairing them up even though it was a mess to me. I do hope these movies blow Scarlet Witch into the stratosphere.

ok just because i'm a huge fan of the franchise.. does not give any of you the right to assume it's clouding my judgement... no more than it is for me or anyone else to assume your judgement is clouded over this franchise. if anything i'm just mroe receptive to others opinions on the subject and buzz about it

It didn't come out of no-where to me because I actually visit forums and all sorts of social media where people constantly referenced it.. I even had friends who arn't remotely fanboys.. (including my own mother) ask if Hulk and Widow get together in the comics after seeing avengers.

 

[marvelrobbins]

How can it be nonsense to say there have been multiple characters called Angel - which there have been - and that there is no proper planning (which is basically true, though they might be thinking a little more long-term these days).

Furthermore, someone involved with First Class said that Angel was put there as a nod to the Angel in the original comics team. We discussed it on here at the time.

Whatever the reasons - and we can argue back and forth about whether that was the case - the fact remains that they put someone called Angel into that film and then couldn't wait to get rid of them in the next film. (Better to have used Pixie, maybe? Same sort of wings)

Angel Salvadore didn't even get mentioned in DoFP - all we saw was a quick glimpse of her lying on a slab all carved up.

But that was at least one step up from Riptide, who was never mentioned or shown at all in DoFP. That's because these films are made one at a time, with the next one hastily sweeping things under the rug or re-doing them to suit its own needs.

It's frustrating to see this happen with these iconic characters.

And that's why i want them to immerse themselves in all of the early comics. It can't ever be wrong to know MORE about the source material. Then the continuity wouldn't be so patchy.

In FC apart from Xavier,Magneto,mystique,and beast they were simply taking characters to fill up room for Hellfire or team.

Darwin was likely killed becayse vaughn turned FC into a bond like film.remember bond films often have sacrifical lamb to be killed by enemy.

many franchises go on film by film basis.MCU is more like a tv show than indivual films.where directors of indivual films are more like tv directors.
Even so I serious doudt the never make changes.clearly civil war wasn't always planned to be third cap film.i don't believe for second spider-man was always planned to be in civil war.and third avengers was clearly going to be on film not 2.they had to reneograte with downey for civil war and withe vans and hemsworth to be in both parts of Infinity war.I seriously doudt the plan always was for batman to be in Man of steel sequel.

fans don't help matters.despite all their complaning on contunity some want rogue and iceman In next X-Men film.future ending of DOFp/Wolverine solo film be damned.

DOFP for now solved contunity issues by erasing all the X films that were in
any conflict with first class.

The shared universe thing has drawbacks.after reviews for BVS WB is locked into justice league.

I find it hillous now Bryan singer made a superman film better reviewed than
both of Zach snyder's films with superman.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It came out of left field for many. Joss Whedon took a hit on social media because of it he shortly after deactivated his account because of the backlash he was getting fofor pairing two characters that weren't really made to have an obvious connection like Nat and Clint or her and Steve.

that doesn't mean it came out of no where... it just means people didn't like it.

also .. that's not why he quit social media.. the complaints over that were in majority feminists who didn't like the idea that it came off to them as if Widow is worthless because she can't have kids...

not because of their relationship... between that and the Iron Man comment about reinstating Prima Nocta...

THOSE were the 2 reasons Whedon was being attacked on social media...

if you want to try to school me, then get your facts straight.. after all you are trying to school a guy who is a MCU "fanboy" who knows more about the MCU than you... haha

 

[jaymes_e06]

Rogue to me has always been a feisty one, even when I first saw her go against the XMen in the pentagon she was very feisty I loved it. Every incarnation I've seen of Rogue she was that feisty gal except currently I'm not sure since I don't follow her anymore. BW though to me it feels like they just Americanized her and I dislike it but that could just be whom they have portraying her.

I think her character has always been multifaceted. She's not just a feisty sotherner as some like to shoehorn her as but rather a very damaged individual who had a very tumultuous life. When she meets the X-Men after her taking Ms. Marvel's power she was a wreck. She was more of an introvert for a longer period of time than most give her credit for.

How can it be nonsense to say there have been multiple characters called Angel - which there have been - and that there is no proper planning (which is basically true, though they might be thinking a little more long-term these days).

Furthermore, someone involved with First Class said that Angel was put there as a nod to the Angel in the original comics team. We discussed it on here at the time.

Whatever the reasons - and we can argue back and forth about whether that was the case - the fact remains that they put someone called Angel into that film and then couldn't wait to get rid of them in the next film. (Better to have used Pixie, maybe? Same sort of wings)

Angel Salvadore didn't even get mentioned in DoFP - all we saw was a quick glimpse of her lying on a slab all carved up.

But that was at least one step up from Riptide, who was never mentioned or shown at all in DoFP. That's because these films are made one at a time, with the next one hastily sweeping things under the rug or re-doing them to suit its own needs.

It's frustrating to see this happen with these iconic characters.

And that's why i want them to immerse themselves in all of the early comics. It can't ever be wrong to know MORE about the source material. Then the continuity wouldn't be so patchy.

I'm actually not arguing you saying that was a nod in the productions head but it was a very "I want to save face" move for me. I actually agree with many of your points I disagree with the thought that Angel is being redone because they have a name in common. They are completely different characters. Let's move on.

 

[jaymes_e06]

In FC apart from Xavier,Magneto,mystique,and beast they were simply taking characters to fill up room for Hellfire or team.

Darwin was likely killed becayse vaughn turned FC into a bond like film.remember bond films often have sacrifical lamb to be killed by enemy.

many franchises go on film by film basis.MCU is more like a tv show than indivual films.where directors of indivual films are more like tv directors.
Even so I serious doudt the never make changes.clearly civil war wasn't always planned to be third cap film.i don't believe for second spider-man was always planned to be in civil war.and third avengers was clearly going to be on film not 2.they had to reneograte with downey for civil war and withe vans and hemsworth to be in both parts of Infinity war.I seriously doudt the plan always was for batman to be in Man of steel sequel.

fans don't help matters.despite all their complaning on contunity some want rogue and iceman In next X-Men film.future ending of DOFp/Wolverine solo film be damned.

DOFP for now solved contunity issues by erasing all the X films that were in
any conflict with first class.

The shared universe thing has drawbacks.after reviews for BVS WB is locked into justice league.

I find it hillous now Bryan singer made a superman film better reviewed than
both of Zach snyder's films with superman.

This.

 

[BeholdMe]

ok just because i'm a huge fan of the franchise.. does not give any of you the right to assume it's clouding my judgement... no more than it is for me or anyone else to assume your judgement is clouded over this franchise. if anything i'm just mroe receptive to others opinions on the subject and buzz about it

It didn't come out of no-where to me because I actually visit forums and all sorts of social media where people constantly referenced it.. I even had friends who arn't remotely fanboys.. (including my own mother) ask if Hulk and Widow get together in the comics after seeing avengers.

If my love for this franchise was clouding my judgement I would adamantly deny Beast/Raven romance being forced, I would never complain about to much Raven,I would've been ecstatic over Halle's perfect portrayal of Storm,I would have loved how much development Wolverine and how little the others did get, I would have loved them killing off Banshee and bringing in a subpar Psylocke in X3. There's a lot of holes in this franchise that I don't agree with and will gladly tell you that it's a mess because it isn't perfect. I see its flaws and I point them out frequently. I'm trying to figure out the scene that showed Widow was remotely interested in Hulk because I clearly missed it. It seemed to me like the romance started in AoU,I never saw anything that hinted at them the only one I thought was a romance was her and Hawkeye.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I thought she had more chemistry with capt and iron man then she did banner.

If anthing i thought in the sequel they were gonna play on her terror of the hulk which they seemed to keep showin in the first movie, but in the sequel she got over it and was almost flirting with the hulk.

it felt random

her hulk terror wouldn't of made sense... Widow shows vulnerability with banner, something she never showed with Cap or Tony.. and both were missions... Tony was sex appeal out the ying yang.. but of course she was undercover the whole time... so you can't really judge any relationship she had with tony based on that... post IM2 she and Tony haven't really had one on one time... unlike her an cap.

with cap, it never came off as anything but a friendship to me.. sure a little flirt teasing.. and and I think cap might have for a moment felt something for her.. but for Widow it was again, all part of the game (which is very much part of her character) As for hulk.. in Avengers AOU she was incredibly vulnerable while flirting and trying to talk to him.. a very very different scenerio

 

[marvelrobbins]

It came out of left field for many. Joss Whedon took a hit on social media because of it he shortly after deactivated his account because of the backlash he was getting fofor pairing two characters that weren't really made to have an obvious connection like Nat and Clint or her and Steve.

Joss whedon has history of going with relationships that some don't like.even he admited in interview fans of angel didn't like it when in s3 he started having angel/cordelia as thing.it twitter had been around during buffy/angel he would
have had to leave because of angry fans or the buffy/angel and buffy/Spike
shipper wars.hell In s7 buffy seemed to care more about spike than her sister
and best friends.

many after avengers were hoping for a widow/hawkeye rommance.a widow/cap romance would make more sense than widow/banner.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If my love for this franchise was clouding my judgement I would adamantly deny Beast/Raven romance being forced, I would never complain about to much Raven,I would've been ecstatic over Halle's perfect portrayal of Storm,I would have loved how much development Wolverine and how little the others did, I would have loved them killing off Banshee and bringing in a subpar Psylocke in X3. There's a lot of holes in this franchise that I don't agree with and will gladly tell you that it's a mess because it isn't perfect. I see its flaws and I point them out frequently. I'm trying to figure out the scene that showed Widow was remotely interested in Hulk because I clearly missed it. I never saw anything that hinted at them the only one I thought was a romance was her and Hawkeye.

and i do the same about the MCU. I think the relationship was a bit forced.. but there were some moments from Widows recruitment of banner.. to the scene where he first hulked out that people picked up on.. with that and people talking i hoped they wouldn't do it in the sequel.. but they did. I'm not a fan of it. but I can't deny the fact many people DID pick up on it even though many did not. I'm just saying if you don't want people assuming your judgement is clouded.. don't do the same for others. My "fandom" has squat to do with any of it. other than the fact i'm a regular in forums that this stuff comes up.. and can see what people think

don't confuse my admitting people picked up on it with my feelings on it.. because i didn't agree with it at all.. and it did feel forced. But again i can't outright say i didn't see inklings or see many others who did see things. That after all is what this convo is about.. not my personal thoughts and feelings on it.

 

[jaymes_e06]

If my love for this franchise was clouding my judgement I would adamantly deny Beast/Raven romance being forced, I would never complain about to much Raven,I would've been ecstatic over Halle's perfect portrayal of Storm,I would have loved how much development Wolverine and how little the others did get, I would have loved them killing off Banshee and bringing in a subpar Psylocke in X3. There's a lot of holes in this franchise that I don't agree with and will gladly tell you that it's a mess because it isn't perfect. I see its flaws and I point them out frequently. I'm trying to figure out the scene that showed Widow was remotely interested in Hulk because I clearly missed it. I never saw anything that hinted at them the only one I thought was a romance was her and Hawkeye.

Everyone did. No one saw the build up because it wasn't there. Nothing pointed towards a relationship between the two. It's comical that we've freely said all the problems we feel for the X-films but some have such a hard time with critiquing anything MCU related (again I'm not pointing anyone out). We're not saying there terrible movies for having terrible parts in them. We're saying they arent perfect just like Fox.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Everyone did. No one saw the build up because it wasn't there. Nothing pointed towards a relationship between the two. It's comical that we've freely said all the problems we feel for the X-films but some have such a hard time with critiquing anything MCU related. We're not saying there terrible movies for having terrible parts in them. We're saying they arent perfect just like Fox.

don't generalize...

clearly SOME people did... again this was talked about quite a bit leading up to AoU... and after Avengers...

lets not generalize.

you can critique all you want.. (never implied you can't) but if you actually read my posts.. ive never once said i agreed with the hulk/widow thing.. but to say NO ONE SAW IT COMING is arrogant and lacking information on the subject.. and that's actually all i've been arguing... because alot of people did.. Most? who knows.. that none of us can answer.. alot did, and alot didn't

 

[BeholdMe]

and i do the same about the MCU. I think the relationship was a bit forced.. but there were some moments from Widows recruitment of banner.. to the scene where he first hulked out that people picked up on.. with that and people talking i hoped they wouldn't do it in the sequel.. but they did. I'm not a fan of it. but I can't deny the fact many people DID pick up on it even though many did not. I'm just saying if you don't want people assuming your judgement is clouded.. don't do the same for others. My "fandom" has squat to do with any of it. other than the fact i'm a regular in forums that this stuff comes up.. and can see what people think

don't confuse my admitting people picked up on it with my feelings on it.. because i didn't agree with it at all.. and it did feel forced. But again i can't outright say i didn't see inklings or see many others who did see things. That after all is what this convo is about.. not my personal thoughts and feelings on it.

You very well might point out the flaws in the MU, I've just not seen it on here. As I said I will go back and rewatch and see if I pick up on some things. I do recall the recruitment scene you speak of but I don't offhand recall anything saying they wanted to be together romantically. We do agree though the romance was forced so we are good.

 

[YoungBlood]

It was not me I know your a huge fan of the franchise but it's true the Hulk/Widow pairing came out of nowhere I was very shocked when I saw it onscreen in AoU but I will rewatch the Avengers and look for some hints. At one point I thought her and Hawkeye were an item.I know LOTS of people were confused by there forced romance I never said they didn't have chemistry onscreen just the romance was forced. As I said with Raven/Beast they were apparently pairing them up even though it was a mess to me. I do hope these movies blow Scarlet Witch into the stratosphere.

Same here. I seen The Avengers numerous times and I do not recall any hinting of Widow/Hulk romance and I know the scenes where they interacted with each other. Just because they had shared some screen time doesn't mean a romance was developing.(Now Widow/Cap on TWS on the other hand.....) At least on X1 and X2, it showed Wolverine developing feelings for Jean, now grated X3 messed up, but at least attraction was shown.

 

[jaymes_e06]

don't generalize...

clearly SOME people did... again this was talked about quite a bit leading up to AoU... and after Avengers...

lets not generalize.

They had scenes together and they spoke... so obvious they are in love.

If anything pointed towards a relationship developing with Bruce and another Avenger in TA it was Tony.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You very well might point out the flaws in the MU, I've just not seen it on here. As I said I will go back and rewatch and see if I pick up on some things. I do recall the recruitment scene you speak of but I don't offhand recall anything saying they wanted to be together romantically. We do agree though the romance was forced so we are good.

all ive been saying the whole time is there ARE people who picked up on it.. that's it... not sure why some of you feel as if it's my opinion or if your critiques aren't allowed.. it's all over-reacting imo... but to make statements such as "NO ONE SAW IT" or "WHEDON HAD TO QUIT TWITTER OVER IT" Jaymes seems to be making are completely incorrect...

People pick up on alot of crazy crap that isn't very noticeable if at all.. but that doesn't stop a chunk of people from doing it and pushing it.

 

[YoungBlood]

They had scenes together and they spoke... so obvious they are in love.

If anything pointed towards a relationship developing with Bruce and another Avenger in TA it was Tony.

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At least their friendship is believable.