Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[freshandclean]

Whedon's a risky choice, IMO. There has to be some seriousness/human drama in the X-Films to keep it consistent with the past films. And I think Whedon has it in him (seeing his past television work). However, he's also the king of *quip* *quip* *punch* *quip* *quip* *punch*, which works (sorta, though AoU took it way too far) for The Avengers and other MCU properties. But I really don't want that infecting the X-Films.

Another worry I would have is that Whedon tends to give all the characters the same voice and sense of humor (which is basically Whedon's sense of humor). The great thing about Singer is his X-Men (at least the ones he chooses to develop) have their own individual voices.

I guess I don't trust Whedon to take an already established X-Verse and try to conform a little to it. And as a director he shouldn't have to, so it's not a knock on him. But Vaughn, for example, blended pretty seamlessly and I think it's because Vaughn and Singer work well together. Whedon, from what I hear, especially after working with Disney, may not be open to having someone "above" him, so to speak.

 

[freshandclean]

It makes no sense and quite frankly it is tired. I'm sick of seeing her die. In TPS she appears to die at least twice then she comes back for TDPS and she kills herself permanently. I'd rather The All New X-Men appraoch be seen it were she knows of the original timeline and goes against it. Not to mention it goes against the timeline as we know Jean now survives into the future.

But how can they do the story justice without her dying? I mean the reason the story is so iconic is because of her suicide. I think it would do the story a great disservice if they tried to find a way around that. I mean Jean is one of my favorites, but if they truly do the story beautifully I wouldn't be mad if that was her swan song. I just don't want it to be in the next couple of films.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I want Vaughn back if not Singer. He made the heroes flying around the most natural looking I've ever seen on film.

 

[jaymes_e06]

But how can they do the story justice without her dying? I mean the reason the story is so iconic is because of her suicide. I think it would do the story a great disservice if they tried to find a way around that. I mean Jean is one of my favorites, but if they truly do the story beautifully I wouldn't be mad if that was her swan song. I just don't want it to be in the next couple of films.

I already mentioned one way. They could just have her sacrifice herself only to do an ot movie akin to Phoenix Endsong (that being the end of the "trilogy")

 

[Mad Ones]

To do The Dark Phoenix Saga justice you kinda need to include the part about her "choosing to die as a human rather than living as a god". Which is something X3 missed entirely by having Wolverine kill her. The point in the comics was to emphasize Jean's agency. Sigh.

They could still do an entirely different story that just involves Phoenix elements.

 

[freshandclean]

To do The Dark Phoenix Saga justice you kinda need to include the part about her "choosing to die as a human rather than living as a god". Which is something X3 missed entirely by having Wolverine kill her. The point in the comics was to emphasize Jean's agency. Sigh.

They could still do an entirely different story that just involves Phoenix elements.

Yup. I think that when you distill TDPS to it's core, this is basically what the story is all about. There are elements of "if power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." There are elements of sacrificing yourself for your friends, family and the world. There are elements of the dangers of human passion (love and hate). But when it comes down to it, for me, the story is choosing to save yourself by destroying yourself.

 

[DACrowe]

But how can they do the story justice without her dying? I mean the reason the story is so iconic is because of her suicide. I think it would do the story a great disservice if they tried to find a way around that. I mean Jean is one of my favorites, but if they truly do the story beautifully I wouldn't be mad if that was her swan song. I just don't want it to be in the next couple of films.

There are other ways to make the victory hard won than just repeating the ending of TLS. I agree that it is a shame that TLS ruined them using that ending. However, they can do something different with it and keep Jean available for future movies.

 

[Smilodon]

Whedon's a risky choice, IMO. There has to be some seriousness/human drama in the X-Films to keep it consistent with the past films. And I think Whedon has it in him (seeing his past television work). However, he's also the king of *quip* *quip* *punch* *quip* *quip* *punch*, which works (sorta, though AoU took it way too far) for The Avengers and other MCU properties. But I really don't want that infecting the X-Films.

Another worry I would have is that Whedon tends to give all the characters the same voice and sense of humor (which is basically Whedon's sense of humor). The great thing about Singer is his X-Men (at least the ones he chooses to develop) have their own individual voices.

I guess I don't trust Whedon to take an already established X-Verse and try to conform a little to it. And as a director he shouldn't have to, so it's not a knock on him. But Vaughn, for example, blended pretty seamlessly and I think it's because Vaughn and Singer work well together. Whedon, from what I hear, especially after working with Disney, may not be open to having someone "above" him, so to speak.

I actually think Whedon would fit in fine with the tone of FC. So if they veer a bit back that way then I think it could work. But I don't think they'll move towards the complete Vaughn-ness of FC again and stick with the balance they struck in DoFP. I think Singer's humor is a bit underrated, and I would hate to lose some of the Singer humor that we get in Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver etc. I also wouldn't want Whedon to be constrained by whats been laid out before him. So I'd love to see him tackle something in the future, preferably with Kitty (and with Ellen playing her)

Matt Reeves is my top pick for who I would want to take over the franchise. McQuarrie would be great too.

 

[freshandclean]

I actually think Whedon would fit in fine with the tone of FC. So if they veer a bit back that way then I think it could work. But I don't think they'll move towards the complete Vaughn-ness of FC again and stick with the balance they struck in DoFP. I think Singer's humor is a bit underrated, and I would hate to lose some of the Singer humor that we get in Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver etc. I also wouldn't want Whedon to be constrained by whats been laid out before him. So I'd love to see him tackle something in the future, preferably with Kitty (and with Ellen playing her)

Matt Reeves is my top pick for who I would want to take over the franchise. McQuarrie would be great too.

I actually thought Whedon would be good choice for New Mutants. It would be separate enough from the main X-Films (like Deadpool) that he would have basically free reign (or Rahne as the case may be) to see his vision through. And that age group seems to be his forte. But it might be a downgrade for him, plus they already have a director.

But I agree, Singer's Wolvie, Nightcrawler, and Quicksilver all have a very distinct senses of humor unique to them. Wolverine has that gruff sarcasm, Quicksilver has that bored apathy, and Nightcrawler is just unintentionally funny. I'm actually curious how closely the young Nightcrawler will be to the older one.

 

[Retroman]

It would be interesting to see Whedon giving a shot at one of these movies with the experience he has gained from the Avengers.

AOU wasn't a homerun like the first one but he still did a decent job IMO. Which certainly can't be easy when you have to take into account all the MCU characters he has to work with (from movies not of his making) while setting up future Marvel movies as well.

If it's an X-Men film with few characters i think he would do it in a heartbeat.

Speaking of directors...i think Christopher McQuarrie would be a great shout.He's no stranger to Bryan Singer and also wrote the script The Wolverine. Plus he once offered to do an X-Men "bible" but FOX (Rothman) turned him down.So we know he's got some ideas for future films...

 

[DOFP]

HQ

Something tells me James' pinky was photoshop way too far in order for us too see Olivia's cleavage Elle-oh-elle

 

[Takato]

1 month until UK release!

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Love Mcavoy in that poster. He's look so Xavier

 

[iacobusleo]

32q

 

[Erik Lensherr]

30 days!!!

 

[kevork89]

YES!!! 30 for me too! I can't deal. I'm already planning to take the day off work and see the first session.

 

[iacobusleo]

YES!!! 30 for me too! I can't deal. I'm already planning to take the day off work and see the first session.

LOL can you not watch it after work? It's just waiting an extra afternoon. XD But that sounds wonderful if you actually do it. X-Men holiday whoop whoop!

 

[kevork89]

Hahahaha nope. It's something my sister and I have done for every X-Men movie. Always have days off work or back in the day I used to get the day off school to see them.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[JEM]

Fox seems to love Storm.
PS: People says Mystique is everywhere, i will say Storm and Quicksilver are big in the marketing.

 

[kevork89]

I don't know whether it's love or they know that she's a decent draw. They've focused a lot on her and Psylocke through their promotions. It's smart because let's face it Marvel have gotten some flack for the lack of female heroes and Fox are capitalizing on their female X-Men. Which is why we've seen a lot of Mystique, Storm, Jean and Psylocke.

 

[CaptainCanada]

They've focused a lot on her and Psylocke through their promotions.

That doesn't really surprise me, as they've both got very distinctive looks.

 

[JP]

Unconfirmed, but it looks like the "Global Fan Screening" Fox did with DoFP in NYC is happening in London this time on May 9th...
http://premierescene.net/film-calendar.html

 

[dontpanic42]

Speaking of directors...i think Christopher McQuarrie would be a great shout.He's no stranger to Bryan Singer and also wrote the script The Wolverine. Plus he once offered to do an X-Men "bible" but FOX (Rothman) turned him down.So we know he's got some ideas for future films...

X-Men "bible" sounds cool! I hope he gets a chance to direct.

 

[X-Maniac]

But how can they do the story justice without her dying? I mean the reason the story is so iconic is because of her suicide. I think it would do the story a great disservice if they tried to find a way around that. I mean Jean is one of my favorites, but if they truly do the story beautifully I wouldn't be mad if that was her swan song. I just don't want it to be in the next couple of films.

There's a massive hole in your ideas: Jean was shown to be alive in the 'happy future' of DoFP.

Unless the time continuum has been altered again somehow (when? by whom?), then Jean does not die anytime between 1973 and 2023.