Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[BeholdMe]

I know it's not going to happen but I would love if they gave Jean that pink signature when she uses her powers. On the other hand we are getting it with Psylocke so that is awesome in itself

 

[kevork89]

I think some people are going to be surprised at how much Jean and Scott get to do in the movie, because I think they are going to get a lot of time.

Plot speculation based on trailers and articles:

Spoiler

Its pretty obvious that Scott, Jean, Nightcrawler, and not sure if any others, are going to have to rescue Mystique, Quicksilver, and Beast after Stryker grabs them after Apocalypse blows up the mansion.

So they essentially have their a mission that they do on their own.

And we're going to get time with the young crew at the mall, because that is where they are going to be while Apocalypse destroys the mansion.

I'm thinking that Jean and Scott will have roles on par with what Mystique and Hank had in First Class, except more involved in the fighting at the end because Mystique couldn't do much in the final fight in First Class.

Agreed there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the young Scott, Jean, Kurt and Ororo get plenty of development. It's all that's been discussed by the actors and Singer. And what we've seen doesn't suggest otherwise. But people stay hung up on Mystique leading the X-Men and that she's been marketed too much. It's like FML!!! I think people sometimes don't grasp that marketing the movie is very important so making the biggest star of the franchise front and center is pretty important to doing that

 

[tanita_mors]

Hi, new poster here and a huge X Men fan.

Concerning the Dark Pheonix Saga, I think it depends on the number of movies they intend to cover it in.

If it's just a single movie, I think they will go the simular routh they did in Last Stand - the immense power was always there inside her waithing to come out.

If they develop it over 2 movies or a trilogy - I could see the Cosmic Force and Shiar being introduced as concepts.

But if Singer is looking to ground X Men in some hyper reality, the omega level mutant thing - her being the next step in mutant evolution is the way to go. The only question then is do you introduce Mastermind in the mix - him being the reason she loses complete control and succumbs to the her base instincts and wants

 

[kevork89]

Welcome.

I might be in the minority but I rather they keep X-Men to just mutants on earth. We already have the Marvel and DC cinematic universes having other heroes and villains from space. And a lot of their universe is tied in to Gods and galaxies already. I rather they keep the X-Men to simply mutants and humans attempting to exist with each other and then you have the big problems come along much like Apoc, Sinister, Phoenix etc. Keep it to evolution as Jean's powers. I liked that. My personal opinion.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

There is only one true Jean Grey.

 

[BeholdMe]

Agreed there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the young Scott, Jean, Kurt and Ororo get plenty of development. It's all that's been discussed by the actors and Singer. And what we've seen doesn't suggest otherwise. But people stay hung up on Mystique leading the X-Men and that she's been marketed too much. It's like FML!!! I think people sometimes don't grasp that marketing the movie is very important so making the biggest star of the franchise front and center is pretty important to doing that

Yes to this that's what helped to change my mind, the All New XMen still get their fair share in this movie which is what I wanted and so excited.

EDIT: Welcome tanita_mors

 

[BeholdMe]

Welcome.

I might be in the minority but I rather they keep X-Men to just mutants on earth. We already have the Marvel and DC cinematic universes having other heroes and villains from space. And a lot of their universe is tied in to Gods and galaxies already. I rather they keep the X-Men to simply mutants and humans attempting to exist with each other and then you have the big problems come along much like Apoc, Sinister, Phoenix etc. Keep it to evolution as Jean's powers. I liked that. My personal opinion.

I disagree I don't think they should limit themselves to just humans and mutants that's boring and XLore is so much bigger than that. XMen being my fav franchise right now I want them to explore as many aspects as they can within the universe regardless if other studios are doing it. Shiar,Savage Land,Arcade,Mojo are interesting stories that shouldn't be ignored just to keep it between humans and mutants. They shouldn't be only on Earth that's ridiculous not saying they should rush into it but it's a lot of different avenues on different worlds that is apart of XLore

 

[marvelrobbins]

Welcome.

I might be in the minority but I rather they keep X-Men to just mutants on earth. We already have the Marvel and DC cinematic universes having other heroes and villains from space. And a lot of their universe is tied in to Gods and galaxies already. I rather they keep the X-Men to simply mutants and humans attempting to exist with each other and then you have the big problems come along much like Apoc, Sinister, Phoenix etc. Keep it to evolution as Jean's powers. I liked that. My personal opinion.

your not alone.X-Men should stay on Earth.

 

[Havok83]

I disagree I don't think they should limit themselves to just humans and mutants that's boring and XLore is so much bigger than that. XMen being my fav franchise right now I want them to explore as many aspects as they can within the universe regardless if other studios are doing it. Shiar,Savage Land,Arcade,Mojo are interesting stories that shouldn't be ignored just to keep it between humans and mutants. They shouldn't be only on Earth that's ridiculous not saying they should rush into it but it's a lot of different avenues on different worlds that is apart of XLore

Im fine with them staying on Earth, but Im really tired of the whole mutants vs human theme thats been the focal point of every film. Its time to move beyond mutant and human conflict. Apocalypse looks to be doing that at least. Your ideas are a chance to explore stuff beyond what we always get to see

I do think space should eventually be done but in a Starjammers film. That needs to be its own spinoff

Welcome.

I might be in the minority but I rather they keep X-Men to just mutants on earth. We already have the Marvel and DC cinematic universes having other heroes and villains from space. And a lot of their universe is tied in to Gods and galaxies already. I rather they keep the X-Men to simply mutants and humans attempting to exist with each other and then you have the big problems come along much like Apoc, Sinister, Phoenix etc. Keep it to evolution as Jean's powers. I liked that. My personal opinion.

IMO, they shouldnt concern themselves with what Marvel or DC is doing. They should tell good stories that make sense within the X franchise and not shy away from something bc those two might be doing something similar

 

[X-Maniac]

Welcome.

I might be in the minority but I rather they keep X-Men to just mutants on earth. We already have the Marvel and DC cinematic universes having other heroes and villains from space. And a lot of their universe is tied in to Gods and galaxies already. I rather they keep the X-Men to simply mutants and humans attempting to exist with each other and then you have the big problems come along much like Apoc, Sinister, Phoenix etc. Keep it to evolution as Jean's powers. I liked that. My personal opinion.

If they're going to re-do Phoenix, surely it has to be approached differently - we've already seen the evolving/expanding power (X2) and mental blocks (X3) variations. Something new and different has to bring it all on this time.

Also, I disagree that X-Men now can't touch outer space or go beyond earthly reality. This series needs to embrace all of its potential and not just let other franchises expand into space, magic, etc.

What you're proposing is so limited and suggests nothing should change since X1 in 2001. We can't just keep having mutant vs humans, then mutants vs mutants, and Magneto and Xavier first fighting each other and then helping each other over and over.

This is a series about evolution. It has to evolve!

 

[kevork89]

Of course I agree but they need to also keep it different so not all the comic/movie properties are doing the same thing. That's why they're at a bit of an advantage now with Deadpool because it's unlike anything we've seen before. I'm also in agreeance that the mutant v humans is tired. There are so many stories to do that stay on earth and don't include intergalactic travel or other worlds etc.

But Jean evolving is what's apart of this movie universe. They're most likely going to go down that path again but with no mental blocks.

 

[BeholdMe]

Im fine with them staying on Earth, but Im really tired of the whole mutants vs human theme thats been the focal point of every film. Its time to move beyond mutant and human conflict. Apocalypse looks to be doing that at least. Your ideas are a chance to explore stuff beyond what we always get to see

I do think space should eventually be done but in a Starjammers film. That needs to be its own spinoff


IMO, they shouldnt concern themselves with what Marvel or DC is doing. They should tell good stories that make sense within the X franchise and not shy away from something bc those two might be doing something similar

If they're going to re-do Phoenix, surely it has to be approached differently - we've already seen the evolving/expanding power (X2) and mental blocks (X3) variations. Something new and different has to bring it all on this time.

Also, I disagree that X-Men now can't touch outer space or go beyond earthly reality. This series needs to embrace all of its potential and not just let other franchises expand into space, magic, etc.

What you're proposing is so limited and suggests nothing should change since X1 in 2001. We can't just keep having mutant vs humans, then mutants vs mutants, and Magneto and Xavier first fighting each other and then helping each other over and over.

This is a series about evolution. It has to evolve!

Yes to both of these, I would like Starjammers as well but I really think it's foolish limiting themselves to earth bound stories just because other properties are in space. So what it's not like they are stealing stories, some XLore stories don't take place on earth it shouldn't be them limiting themselves at all. Stepping out the box is what will make this universe great.

 

[Malik]

The mental blocks weren't bryan's idea was it? Supposedly Jean had been holding back her power in X1 and most of X2 because she was afraid of it (fits her apocalypse version living isolated etc.) because of magnetos power magnifier thing she couldn't contain her power anymore, hence why she was so powerful by the end of X2.

 

[kevork89]

I'm happy with them doing that but it needs to make sense. All of our X movies have been earth driven and there's been no mention of space/Galaxy/worlds etc. Maybe now with Apocalypse and the technology they will. But I only want it to make sense and not be forced in.

 

[DACrowe]

I disagree I don't think they should limit themselves to just humans and mutants that's boring and XLore is so much bigger than that. XMen being my fav franchise right now I want them to explore as many aspects as they can within the universe regardless if other studios are doing it. Shiar,Savage Land,Arcade,Mojo are interesting stories that shouldn't be ignored just to keep it between humans and mutants. They shouldn't be only on Earth that's ridiculous not saying they should rush into it but it's a lot of different avenues on different worlds that is apart of XLore

Arcade Mojo could be fun, but it would have to be handled very delicately, lest it turn into a Schumacher movie or whatever Eisenberg was doing in BvS.

And while I am someone who definitely thinks the X-Men should go cosmic in the next movie no matter what, Phoenix or no Phoenix, and just for the sake of variety... I still have no interest in seeing the X-Men go to the Savage Land.

That is just a bridge too far with the Tarzan looking people and talking dinosaurs. No thanks.

 

[freshandclean]

I was always opposed to any sort of Alien/Outer Space adventures in the X-Men films. It just doesn't feel like it would mesh with what Singer laid out as the groundwork for the films.

That said, DOFP actually showed me that Singer can step out and do something different. The whole future aesthetic was very well done and Sci-Fi without being cheesy. And now he venturing even further with Apocalypse, who I thought Singer would never be able to adapt (or would want to).

So I'm not sure if I totally change my stance regarding space, but with DOFP and Apocalypse, it wouldn't seem as out of place as it would have 10 years ago.

 

[kevork89]

Savage Land can't happen anyway I don't think. They don't have the rights.

 

[freshandclean]

I'm happy with them doing that but it needs to make sense. All of our X movies have been earth driven and there's been no mention of space/Galaxy/worlds etc. Maybe now with Apocalypse and the technology they will. But I only want it to make sense and not be forced in.

This exactly. DOFP made sense because not only was it a true X-Men story, but it still had an effect on the whole Human/Mutant drama. Same with Apocalypse. It makes sense because Apocalypse IS a mutant and the "only the strong will survive" theme is already part of the move lexicon.

For the Shi'ar, for example, to work, it has to be important to the X-Men story and the only real X-Men story that involves them is the DPS. If they introduce them as some sort of galactic police force and Jean gets their attention, I can see it working. But on the other hand, I feel like they need to introduce them to the universe somehow before that happens and I'm not sure how they can do that.

 

[BeholdMe]

Savage Land can't happen anyway I don't think. They don't have the rights.

Really? I didn't know that, that sucks I actually do like the Savage Land just not as much as I do the Shiar.

Arcade Mojo could be fun, but it would have to be handled very delicately, lest it turn into a Schumacher movie or whatever Eisenberg was doing in BvS.

And while I am someone who definitely thinks the X-Men should go cosmic in the next movie no matter what, Phoenix or no Phoenix, and just for the sake of variety... I still have no interest in seeing the X-Men go to the Savage Land.

That is just a bridge too far with the Tarzan looking people and talking dinosaurs. No thanks.

Arcade I think would be pretty awesome to see onscreen but it has to be done right or it will be very cheesy lol. Yes to them introducing the space aspect even without Phoenix is something I would love to see. That's why I was so adamant about DPS but as I said if they can find a way to introduce the Shiar/Starjammers in some way I'll be beside myself.

 

[freshandclean]

Arcade Mojo could be fun, but it would have to be handled very delicately, lest it turn into a Schumacher movie or whatever Eisenberg was doing in BvS.

And while I am someone who definitely thinks the X-Men should go cosmic in the next movie no matter what, Phoenix or no Phoenix, and just for the sake of variety... I still have no interest in seeing the X-Men go to the Savage Land.

That is just a bridge too far with the Tarzan looking people and talking dinosaurs. No thanks.

I'm the opposite. I think the next film should be more ground level after DOFP and Apocalypse. Mutant Massacre and/or Sinister would be ideal. Then the film after could be Proteus (where the threat becomes bigger) and then Dark Phoenix (where it possibly could go cosmic).

 

[BeholdMe]

It's been ground level the entire franchise until Apicalypse so why should they go back to that and revert. They need to continue going forward and exploring different avenues.

 

[freshandclean]

It's been ground level the entire franchise until Apicalypse so why should they go back to that and revert. They need to continue going forward and exploring different avenues.

I don't consider DOFP ground level at all.

 

[Frankeh]

Arcade Mojo could be fun, but it would have to be handled very delicately, lest it turn into a Schumacher movie or whatever Eisenberg was doing in BvS.

I'd be down to see Spiral. She would bring something new (visually) to the franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

Only if I get a free early invite screening from the distributor of the film.

 

[BeholdMe]

Why is this a thread??