Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[marvelrobbins]

If Fox did the same exact film Marvel did regarding Ant-Man there would be rioting in the streets. People let Marvel slide with far more than some are willing to admit.

of course they do.they have been doing that from begining.fusing together 616 and ultimates as marvel does is depture.

marvel with thor films can change races of characters as well as ant-man but they were prepared to riot when fox changed johnny storm's race In FF.

i never read any deadpool solo stories so i don't know what was changed although i do know they dropped weapon X from his origin likely because of
origins.

some people praise first class to death but reality is that is out of 6 main X-men films the one with most changes from comics.granted some may want to do that so they can bash Bryan Singer despite his active role in FC.and because during third act they had colorful costumes.

just like some want to act like apocalypse is one of worst films ever ignoring facts that there are people who like it.Apocalypse has outgrossed the overpraised first class even domesticly.

Ant-man clearly has massive deptures like an old henry pym and character of hope Van Dyke.funny how many complain about X-men films in past but praise ant-man which has 2 of founding members of avengers who can never be put of avengers in films.

There is clear hypcrosy going on with people online.

 

[Flint Marko]

of course they do.they have been doing that from begining.fusing together 616 and ultimates as marvel does is depture.

marvel with thor films can change races of characters as well as ant-man but they were prepared to riot when fox changed johnny storm's race In FF.

i never read any deadpool solo stories so i don't know what was changed although i do know they dropped weapon X from his origin likely because of
origins.

some people praise first class to death but reality is that is out of 6 main X-men films the one with most changes from comics.granted some may want to do that so they can bash Bryan Singer despite his active role in FC.and because during third act they had colorful costumes.

just like some want to act like apocalypse is one of worst films ever ignoring facts that there are people who like it.Apocalypse has outgrossed the overpraised first class even domesticly.

Ant-man clearly has massive deptures like an old henry pym and character of hope Van Dyke.funny how many complain about X-men films in past but praise ant-man which has 2 of founding members of avengers who can never be put of avengers in films.

There is clear hypcrosy going on with people online.

The idea that Marvel and Fox are comparable in regards to changing the source material is such an intellectually dishonest argument. There are big, obvious differences between deviating from the source material while remaining true to the spirit of the characters, and giant unnecessary changes a la FFINO, X3, X-men Origins Wolverine, etc.
And seriously, half of your posts in here are complaining about Marvel or Marvel fans.

 

[YoungBlood]

And there goes the fanboy defense force.

 

[Uncanny1]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never know.

 

[2kt09]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never get.

ftfy

 

[Superhero 101]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never know.

Because those movies reenergized the superhero genre which led to Mcu and the Nolan bat films

 

[ApophènX]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never know.

Because people like you don't know, sshhh it's a secret that's why it's so good

 

[Flint Marko]

Because those movies reenergized the superhero genre which led to Mcu and the Nolan bat films

No, that would either be Sam Raimi's Spider-man, which made superhero blockbusters a permanent fixture on the forefront of 21st century western pop culture in a way the first X-men movie never could have dreamed of doing, or Blade, which was the first successful superhero property to come after Batman and Robin all but killed the genre.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Blade is NOT a superhero...

 

[Sithborg]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never know.

Because I liked the movies.

 

[Flint Marko]

Blade is NOT a superhero...

Hmmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(film)

Blade is a 1998 American horror superhero film starring Wesley Snipes and Stephen Dorff, loosely based on the Marvel Comics character of the same name.

Doesn't change my point either way.

 

[YoungBlood]

Why people defend Bryan Singer and 20 Century Fox X-Men movies I will never know.

Why bother asking a question when you know what the answer will be, especially on this forum.
Don't need to spell it out to you.
I could ask the same question about why people defend Nolan,Whedon,Snyder,The Russos, etc.
But I'm won't because I know what the answer would be from those fans. Besides I like all of them.

 

[YoungBlood]

Because I liked the movies.

I don't think he would understand.

 

[2kt09]

No, that would either be Sam Raimi's Spider-man, which made superhero blockbusters a permanent fixture on the forefront of 21st century western pop culture in a way the first X-men movie never could have dreamed of doing, or Blade, which was the first successful superhero property to come after Batman and Robin all but killed the genre.

Oh man, you're still on this?
It's either Raimi's Spider-man or Singer's X-Men, as another hypester laid it out succinctly in another thread.

Yes people forget Blade is even an established superhero property
because they keep looking back on it as having jumpstarted that low budget leather-clad monster-slaying fixation of the 2000s and beyond.
The mark Blade made for the superhero genre at best is its R-rating and being a much lesser known IP.
X-Men is more widely considered because of its grounded and ensemble approach as well for being the more successful flick (better received and more profitable).

 

[Flint Marko]

Oh man, you're still on this?
It's either Raimi's Spider-man or Singer's X-Men, as another hypester laid it out succinctly in another thread.

Yes people forget Blade is even an established superhero property
because they keep looking back on it as having jumpstarted that low budget leather-clad monster-slaying fixation of the 2000s and beyond.
The mark Blade made for the superhero genre at best is its R-rating and being a much lesser known IP.
X-Men is more widely considered because of its grounded and ensemble approach as well for being the more successful flick (better received and more profitable).

"Still on this"?
The movie that truly re-energized the superhero trend is Spider-man, there's no question. I only threw Blade in there because if we're going to give X-men credit for getting there first, we need to acknowledge that another leather-clad, low-budget superhero film came out prior.

 

[2kt09]

"Still on this"?
The movie that truly re-energized the superhero trend is Spider-man, there's no question. I only threw Blade in there because if we're going to give X-men credit for getting there first, we need to acknowledge that another leather-clad, low-budget superhero film came out prior.

Blade came and left with a different genre entirely.

Spider-man will always be the other half to X-Men's contribution and vice-versa. They're the two ends of the spectrum of live-action adaptation.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-men helped revive the genre.X-Men made studios want to make comic book
films again.Spider-man exploded the genre.

people bash rami's films too.i have heart with Civil war some say finally we get good spider-man now.

Even feige who some call a god will admit what singer and X-men did for
genre.Singer's X-men also set the stage for Nolan's dark knight trilogy.

Blade didn't change anything except launch a blade franchise till tv show was cancled.

 

[RalphieRandy]

The idea that Marvel and Fox are comparable in regards to changing the source material is such an intellectually dishonest argument. There are big, obvious differences between deviating from the source material while remaining true to the spirit of the characters, and giant unnecessary changes a la FFINO, X3, X-men Origins Wolverine, etc.
And seriously, half of your posts in here are complaining about Marvel or Marvel fans.

That just sounds like Bullcrap excuses. People grant one studio the ability to change things but when other studios try the same they get dragged through the dirt.

 

[Flint Marko]

That just sounds like Bullcrap excuses. People grant one studio the ability to change things but when other studios try the same they get dragged through the dirt.

Not all changes are equal, and more importantly, not all changes are disrespectful to the spirit the source material.

 

[YoungBlood]

That just sounds like Bullcrap excuses. People grant one studio the ability to change things but when other studios try the same they get dragged through the dirt.

Its hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[marvelrobbins]

That just sounds like Bullcrap excuses. People grant one studio the ability to change things but when other studios try the same they get dragged through the dirt.

Hypcrosy is what it is.All studios make changes.that's reality.

having stark spend most of his time with avengers outside armor,being smartalecy all the time and science bros of stark and banner are as big a depture from 616 comics as say mystique In Apocalypse.I have given plenty of
critism to mystique In Apocalypse so it's not like i just praise everything fox
does.

 

[RalphieRandy]

He's wrong. Just take a look at the Iron Man 3 board from the years. When Marvel pulls a Mandarin that is heard for awhile.

Marvel films overall have never been as poorly received as any of the Fantastic 4 films or XMOW. People seemed pretty forgiving of Fox with Deadpool now right? Lifeld very well knows this.

If X3, XMOW, Elektra, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, Fant4stic, AVP and AVP2 were not released Fox would not have such a bad wrap with comic films. If Sony didn't have Spidey 3, ASM, ASM2, Ghost Rider and Ghost Rider 2 they would not have a poor outlook too. Marvel just doesn't have that kind of bad wrap. When they do have that many poor films within a decade you will definitely hear people change their views. And if they don't...well then people can call ********. Cause it will very well be that.

But as for now these are not equal playing fields for comparing. Fox has a long history of making mixed to poor Marvel IP's, and when they make more the hate will pore on.

He's not wrong. I have been saying this for years. Many others can see it, too.

 

[RalphieRandy]

Not all changes are equal, and more importantly, not all changes are disrespectful to the spirit the source material.

And what's considered disrespectful? Change the costumes they complain. Change one character out for another they complain. Change something from the comic they complain. Change an origin they complain....unless it's marvel, of course. They welcome those changes with open arms. Until another studio takes those same liberties.

The "spirit"?

Please.

 

[ApophènX]

Not all changes are equal, and more importantly, not all changes are disrespectful to the spirit the source material.

SM is a patriotic figure coming post 9/11 that ends hanging on top of the empire state building to the american flag. I think that played a huge role and enhanced the impact alooot. Spidey is lighter and more representative of the american way, it's clear why people would choose him other a black-leather team under psychic command of a delusional being with paranoid torture thems and darker under tone.

But if you want to go the first maybe the 90's cartoon, we could even go back to Jodorowsky's dune i'm sure lol. Art is not a separate thing on it's own. Growing as a kid SM and X-Men movies went hand by hand, two face of the same coin.

The "changes" to the comic book argument again and invalid again. That's what art is for, take risk, makes things personal and different. X-Men and superhero are about difference yooo

 

[marvelrobbins]

He's not wrong. I have been saying this for years. Many others can see it, too.

um there are plenty who liked first amazing Spider-man.

and I am sorry i hate iron man 3 just as much as spider-man 3 and Last stand.
Thor films were very disappointing to me.

The idea marvel craps gold is wrong.no studio does.

Problem is many come into X-men boards to attack X-Men films and want to
end X-men franchse.we have right to like X-men films besides origins and last stand just as they do MCU films.

Those fans are more responable for my souring on MCU since 2012 than films themselves.