Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[spideyboy_1111]

You sure love your OT X-Men and AoS Inhumans.

??

actually the only x-men films i love are X1/X2/FC/The Wolverine the rest are give and take...

but not sure why you brought it up based on what i said... if you actually want to add something productive to the conversation, that would be great

 

[C. Lee]

This is the -

X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion thread.

For those that don't quite understand that....let me explain.

This thread is for discussing the movie X-MEN APOCALYPSE.....it is NOT for discussing the recent FANTASTIC FOUR (also known as FANT4STIC) movie....it is NOT for discussing the MCU and everything connected to it....it is for discussing the movie X-MEN APOCALYPSE.

 

[henzINNIT]

Waiting for deleted scenes now. This movie kind of came and went, need something new.

No.

The MCU has already had a mutant. He showed up in AoS and was called Scorch.
They just couldn't use the word Mutant for legal reasons, but that's what he was.

The way that the Inhumans, or Nuhumans, have been introduced also provides the setting that what everybody thought was the norm wasn't exactly true. That there are hidden groups of ppl that the vast majority of the world population knew nothing about.

A similar theme is coming up with Doctor Strange, where we will see individuals that have extraordinary magical abilities that the world at large considers nothing but myth and fantasy.

Introducing mutants as yet another group that maybe some folks have heard of but assume it's fantasy, but are actually real, fits perfectly with what we've already seen of the MCU.

Well you sold me. The only struggle I'm thinking is how old X and Magneto need to be for the WW2 stories to work.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I will be so ready for apocalypse to hit DVD so I will be able to watch it
at home.If this is the last X-Men film directed by Bryan Singer it will be nice to watch it with his other films X_Men,X2 and rogue cut of DOFP-along with donner cut of superman 2 and expended versions of lord of the rings and the hobbit this is version of DOFP i watch along with the singer produced First Class.

on future I hope by time apocalypse hits DVD/blu-ray we have a teaser for next wolverine film as while as finding out what the heck it's called.

I look forward to seeing the connection between apocalypse post credit scene and it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Me too...though I am not excited about Wolverine3.

I watched DOFP but damn I feel like I should have gotten the Rogue cut version. Don't know why I didn't think of it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Me too...though I am not excited about Wolverine3.

I watched DOFP but damn I feel like I should have gotten the Rogue cut version. Don't know why I didn't think of it.

it will be last time any of original cast is in X-Men films.assuming fox does more films with younger cast who knows when wolverine will be recast.
everything is pointing with films like X-force set in future for X-23 to take wolverine's place which while i know it has been done in comics i am
not wild about it.I am not biggest fan of X-23.I will admit a film even very loosly based on old man logan doesn't exactly excite me.but untill we get clearer picture of next X-men film this is film with X-Men related characters.Who knows if Gambit will be made and while xavier will be In New mutants who knows what timetable of that film being made is.

I own dvds of both versions of DVD just like i do both versions of superman II and lord of the rings although since rogue cut has been released that is version i watch.

 

[DavidHaller]

anybody else bothered to read the latest (hateful) LatinoReview column???

I really do not understand all the hate the X-Men franchise is constantly getting online or why discussions about these movies are so emotionally charged. X1, X2, First Class and Days of Future Past are great movie. (fullstop!)

I feel very sad for fans who have not been able to enjoy these movies since 2000. It is more than half of my life which I have been able to enjoy Singer's X-Men universe (minus the big disappointment "X-Men: Apocalypse") and I'm very grateful for this experience as a comic book fan...I wish Singer would make a last critically acclaimed movie with the depths and social commentary of "Days of Future Past" ("X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda" would be right up his alley!! A movie about Genosha should have been the endpoint of the second trilogy and Singer's swan song. Doing Apocalypse with Singer was a big mistake! big! huge!)...

 

[def28]

You think people like writing about the positives? No debates, no controversy, no clicks.

Writing about how Fox hasn't used what they have to their potential isn't a new thing or difficult, it's easy. But they are trying right now with alot of potential within their new properties. If you are an X-Men fan their rumored line up of an R rated Wolverine with fan favorite X-23, New Mutants, Deadpool 2 with the addition of Cable/Domino and an X-Force film should rest worries that they are finally realizing what they have.

I don't like the Singer films except for X2, or his decisions with many characters. Personally I can't wait for a change in direction for the main series but...how many Directors have three entries in a series that got more critical acclaim as they went along? Fans of this series were lucky this franchise had a director who was willing to return and give them not just one well received follow up but two. The majority of franchises are not that fortunate. Eventually, one was not gonna land as well for him. The hardcore fans of Singer's films don't have it bad.

And if all they can do is focus on the internet for people who hate the films which looms around just about every subject instead of the critical and audience reception, then that's their own fault. X-Men isn't the only one out there getting slammed. It's not even the main point of interest when it comes to fan and think piece hate.

 

[marvelrobbins]

anybody else bothered to read the latest (hateful) LatinoReview column???

I really do not understand all the hate the X-Men franchise is constantly getting online or why discussions about these movies are so emotionally charged. X1, X2, First Class and Days of Future Past are great movie. (fullstop!)

I feel very sad for fans who have not been able to enjoy these movies since 2000. It is more than half of my life which I have been able to enjoy Singer's X-Men universe (minus the big disappointment "X-Men: Apocalypse") and I'm very grateful for this experience as a comic book fan...I wish Singer would make a last critically acclaimed movie with the depths and social commentary of "Days of Future Past" ("X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda" would be right up his alley!! A movie about Genosha should have been the endpoint of the second trilogy and Singer's swan song. Doing Apocalypse with Singer was a big mistake! big! huge!)...

They are full of it.While I haven't read it i am sure they eather want to end
X-men films and hand it to other studio or turn X-men into deadpool and other spin-offs.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

anybody else bothered to read the latest (hateful) LatinoReview column???

I really do not understand all the hate the X-Men franchise is constantly getting online or why discussions about these movies are so emotionally charged. X1, X2, First Class and Days of Future Past are great movie. (fullstop!)

I feel very sad for fans who have not been able to enjoy these movies since 2000. It is more than half of my life which I have been able to enjoy Singer's X-Men universe (minus the big disappointment "X-Men: Apocalypse") and I'm very grateful for this experience as a comic book fan...I wish Singer would make a last critically acclaimed movie with the depths and social commentary of "Days of Future Past" ("X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda" would be right up his alley!! A movie about Genosha should have been the endpoint of the second trilogy and Singer's swan song. Doing Apocalypse with Singer was a big mistake! big! huge!)...

its a mixed bag for me. I'll always have a nostalgia for X1 and X2 especially. But the FC films haven't remotely felt like those nor have been as polished as those 2 either... so that could be a factor...

or it could be the fact we constantly want to refer to this franchise as "Singer's X-men" rather than "The X-men" the reason i say this is because it's become all too clear this is Singer's interpretation of the X-men and not a true representation of the X-men. The more we make it clear this is "Singers X-men" the more frustrated some are going to get who just want there favorite storylines and characters as they know them to be.

the more changes that are made and the more of "singers vision" this franchise feels.. the more people have been leaving their enthusiasm for the franchise. I think in a world where we were "just happy to see the x-men on the big screen" and in a world where we were always limited to "well that just wont work on film" Singers X-men definitely shined above the rest of the comic book films, they felt real. But in a world post Spider-Man, and The Avengers especially... the genre has evolved into better portrayals of the characters, source materials, and suddenly people are no longer limited to "well that wont work on film".

Apocalypse and DOFP were both steps in the right direction, but i can't help feel like "Singers X-men" are still a few steps behind the current trends of comic films... and they arn't catching up nor being innovative enough to keep it feeling fresh.

There's certainly people who love "Singers X-men" though... and thats not a small community (not a huge one either though). And those people don't want any bit of their franchise to change. And that's ok too..

but regardless of ones own opinion.. this is how both sides feel. No one has to agree with any of it. Just is what it is. Kicking and screaming about it from any side isn't going to change anything.. only box office and critic reviews will

 

[ApophènX]

So Singer just gave his personal view of the X-Men whattamatters? Singer loves the characters, you can feel it comes from him and it's emotional highly rewarding, for that i'm gratefull, all the Apocalypse flaws were blown away by the chills it got me , six movie chatarsis yeah! And hourray diversity!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So Singer just gave his personal view of the X-Men whattamatters? Singer loves the characters, you can feel it comes from him and it's emotional highly rewarding, for that i'm gratefull, all the Apocalypse flaws were blown away by the chills it got me , six movie chatarsis yeah! And hourray diversity!

I definitely think he loves the characters and gets the over-all theme.. but i don't think he necessarily "gets" all the characters.

 

[ApophènX]

[YT] [/YT]

I definitely think he loves the characters and gets the over-all theme.. but i don't think he necessarily "gets" all the characters.

I do agree, to me Singer really gets the theme and it drives the story and character (in their global interactions and ark) really well, but he made modifications: Mystique being the most proeminent, it still fitted the story told so i don'tt really care for her. But we all think changes and fresh view need to happen, they have a great foundation and experience to make real unique movie and improvement. Mostly on the characterization and team work in a more accurate X-Men way. For now i'm hopefull and wait for the next movie to make up my mind, if they miss it it will be harder to forget.

 

[Frankeh]

I definitely think he loves the characters and gets the over-all theme.. but i don't think he necessarily "gets" all the characters.

Ultimately fans want to see the characters they grew up with on screen, both personality and looks-wise, the story can come second (in terms of comic-accuracy). That's what MCU movies have over X-Men. Yes Singer has love for the X-Men, but he has reimagined certain characters to fit his vision, and that's what fans don't like, and what indicates that his love doesn't extend beyond some characters.

Like Rogue... OT Mystique (looks-wise, but I love that look)... FC Mystique (only exception being her Saigon scene in DOFP, otherwise very much unlike the comic book character)... Storm (although the casting is the root problem; her scene when she rises up from the elevator and eletrocutes Toad, and her scene in Cerebro 2.0 against Jason Stryker being exceptions)... Iceman... Cyclops (although he was OK in X1, it is strange why he shafted him in X2, and while he treated him well in XMA, it can be chalked up more to the pressure of fan complaints about him than Singer liking the character)... Banshee... Havok... Moira...

The ones I find accurate are Magneto... Charles... Wolverine... Jean Grey... Nightcrawler... DOFP Kitty Pryde, Sabretooth looks-wise, but he was a mute... Psylocke looks-wise, but we get no insight into her character, anyway the list isn't long, Beast's origin and intellect seems accurate, but his personality not so much.

On the other hand some things weren't that accurate but were done greatly... like Stryker... the Sentinels... Another strange case for me is Emma Frost, IMO she wasn't badly written, she was Shaw's right hand henchwoman like in the TAS Dark Phoenix episodes, the problem is 1) the actress and 2) the fact they had no plan to use her afterwards.

And to be fair with both Kinberg being a Magneto fanboy and Singer being a Charles fanboy, it is not hard to see why those two have been favored both in original trilogy and in prequels. Why did they never get someone who was passionate about comic Storm, comic Cyclops, comic Mystique, comic Rogue, etc to direct or write these movies? Anyway, sorry for the long analysis.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ultimately fans want to see the characters they grew up with on screen, both personality and looks-wise, the story can come second (in terms of comic-accuracy). That's what MCU movies have over X-Men. Yes Singer has love for the X-Men, but he has reimagined certain characters to fit his vision, and that's what fans don't like, and what indicates that his love doesn't extend beyond some characters.

Like Rogue... OT Mystique (looks-wise, but I love that look)... FC Mystique (only exception being her Saigon scene in DOFP, otherwise very much unlike the comic book character)... Storm (although the casting is the root problem; her scene when she rises up from the elevator and eletrocutes Toad, and her scene in Cerebro 2.0 against Jason Stryker being exceptions)... Iceman... Cyclops (although he was OK in X1, it is strange why he shafted him in X2, and while he treated him well in XMA, it can be chalked up more to the pressure of fan complaints about him than Singer liking the character)... Banshee... Havok... Moira...

The ones I find accurate are Magneto... Charles... Wolverine... Jean Grey... Nightcrawler... Sabretooth looks-wise, but he was a mute... Psylocke looks-wise, but we get no insight into her character, anyway the list isn't long, Beast's origin and intellect seems accurate, but his personality not so much.

On the other hand some things weren't that accurate but were done greatly... like Stryker... the Sentinels... Another strange case for me is Emma Frost, IMO she wasn't badly written, she was Shaw's right hand henchwoman like in the TAS Dark Phoenix episodes, the problem is 1) the actress and 2) the fact they had no plan to use her afterwards.

And to be fair with both Kinberg being a Magneto fanboy and Singer being a Charles fanboy, it is not hard to see why those two have been favored both in original trilogy and in prequels. Why did they never get someone who was passionate about comic Storm, comic Cyclops, comic Mystique, comic Rogue, etc to direct or write these movies? Anyway, sorry for the long analysis.

agrees, this assessment is pretty accurate. though id argue the Sentinels (at least not the Future Sentinels) were handled pretty poorly.. there was never even an X-men battle against them It really would have been nice to see some giant sentinels actually attacking mutants and the mutants actually fighting them back... like wolverine jumping on ones shoulders and gutting it.

 

[BoredGuy]

I agree with most of those points
only thing I'd disagree on is the Sentinels... while they were intimidating in the future scenes, they were lame and useless in the past scenes, so on balance they were only ok, and nowhere near as frightening as the comic sentinels, either in looks or in the threat they posed

edit: yeah, what Spidey said lol

edit2: I frequently see people mention Storm's elevator scene being a high point for the character... you guys like that scene?? I always thought it looked so cheesy, you can basically see the wires, her foot drags on the ground because they couldn't give her enough height, and that's not to mention the horribly delivered line right afterwards... sorry, I'm just surprised when I see that scene mentioned as a good thing

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah for all the hype and excitement of finally getting giant purple sentinels... what we got was a pretty lack luster use of them.

 

[thegameq]

its a mixed bag for me. I'll always have a nostalgia for X1 and X2 especially. But the FC films haven't remotely felt like those nor have been as polished as those 2 either... so that could be a factor...

or it could be the fact we constantly want to refer to this franchise as "Singer's X-men" rather than "The X-men" the reason i say this is because it's become all too clear this is Singer's interpretation of the X-men and not a true representation of the X-men. The more we make it clear this is "Singers X-men" the more frustrated some are going to get who just want there favorite storylines and characters as they know them to be.

the more changes that are made and the more of "singers vision" this franchise feels.. the more people have been leaving their enthusiasm for the franchise. I think in a world where we were "just happy to see the x-men on the big screen" and in a world where we were always limited to "well that just wont work on film" Singers X-men definitely shined above the rest of the comic book films, they felt real. But in a world post Spider-Man, and The Avengers especially... the genre has evolved into better portrayals of the characters, source materials, and suddenly people are no longer limited to "well that wont work on film".

Apocalypse and DOFP were both steps in the right direction, but i can't help feel like "Singers X-men" are still a few steps behind the current trends of comic films... and they arn't catching up nor being innovative enough to keep it feeling fresh.

There's certainly people who love "Singers X-men" though... and thats not a small community (not a huge one either though). And those people don't want any bit of their franchise to change. And that's ok too..

but regardless of ones own opinion.. this is how both sides feel. No one has to agree with any of it. Just is what it is. Kicking and screaming about it from any side isn't going to change anything.. only box office and critic reviews will

It is really puzzling how some people really don't grasp it. The MCU has changed everything. Everything that supposedly couldn't be done has been done and then some. Yet the X-franchise feels like it's stuck in the 90s. We get it, the first X-films help start the genre, but it has been surpassed in almost every way now--worst the franchise hasn't evolved--which is probably the biggest problem. In the face of the competition, Fox has failed miserably to advance the X-franchise. As a result any attempt to advance the franchise now feels tacked on, reactionary and almost done begrudgingly--Singer made no secret that he wanted nothing to do with the comics. Deadpool basically threw cold water on the entire X-franchise and was a big "Now What!?!" to the X-franchise.

Question is and still remains: will we finally get the real X-men--not 1/4 of the X-men with social commentary galore or will we finally get the X-men the way most of us know them--complete with all the superhero, scifi, social commentary, family dynamic, etc. we love them for?

Is there some great crime in wanting the X-men to get the same great treatment the MCU is giving it's characters? Did I and a lot of other fans miss something? I get it that it's fashionable to hate on something or someone successful but I really thought more people would be on board with a more accurate, MCU-ish take on the characters.

Am I missing something about this franchise and it's fans? Don't we all want to see these characters bought to life the way we see them in the comics or am I missing something here? I would think it's a no-brainer?

I really would like to hear someone explain the disdain supporters of this X-franchise have for the MCU and their love for Singer's severely flawed vision.

 

[BoredGuy]

Most people who prefer the X-franchise will point to the slightly darker, more serious and melodramatic tone of the films and the allegories present for discrimination and racism/homophobia. It's less "all ages" than the MCU is, less humor, and humor being subjective, some people just don't like levity in their CBM's.

That said, I can't see how anyone would argue against a little more source accuracy and faithfulness to all the characters and not just Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine.

 

[2kt09]

This thread is for discussing the movie X-MEN APOCALYPSE...it is NOT for discussing the MCU and everything connected to it....it is for discussing the movie X-MEN APOCALYPSE.

You'll probably get those answers elsewhere

I'm assuming that also goes for discussing previous movies in the franchise.

 

[thegameq]

Most people who prefer the X-franchise will point to the slightly darker, more serious and melodramatic tone of the films and the allegories present for discrimination and racism/homophobia. It's less "all ages" than the MCU is, less humor, and humor being subjective, some people just don't like levity in their CBM's.

That said, I can't see how anyone would argue against a little more source accuracy and faithfulness to all the characters and not just Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine.

Yes, but at what cost to the X-men as a whole? Those things do not make up the entireity of the X-men.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Most people who prefer the X-franchise will point to the slightly darker, more serious and melodramatic tone of the films and the allegories present for discrimination and racism/homophobia. It's less "all ages" than the MCU is, less humor, and humor being subjective, some people just don't like levity in their CBM's.

That said, I can't see how anyone would argue against a little more source accuracy and faithfulness to all the characters and not just Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine.

this is very true. But Humor is important.. its important to have that dynamic when dealing with dark issues constantly.. the gay allegory works perfect in this case because when you're a minority and people literally want you to be dead just for being born the way you are... you kinda have to find humor in life, especially when surrounded by your own kind. Its really important to be able to have fun and counter-act all the darkness around you. And the X-men comics always had that in spades... from trips to the Savage Land, Pool Parties, or just simple family dynamics... especially between characters like Wolverine and Nighcrawler and kitty's life in general.

the X-franchise could use a little fun

not full on MCU necessarily.. but more fun like First Class had. It bummed me out that Singer cut so much of the mall scenes out

 

[YoungBlood]

It is really puzzling how some people really don't grasp it. The MCU has changed everything. Everything that supposedly couldn't be done has been done and then some. Yet the X-franchise feels like it's stuck in the 90s. We get it, the first X-films help start the genre, but it has been surpassed in almost every way now--worst the franchise hasn't evolved--which is probably the biggest problem. In the face of the competition, Fox has failed miserably to advance the X-franchise. As a result any attempt to advance the franchise now feels tacked on, reactionary and almost done begrudgingly--Singer made no secret that he wanted nothing to do with the comics. Deadpool basically threw cold water on the entire X-franchise and was a big "Now What!?!" to the X-franchise.

Question is and still remains: will we finally get the real X-men--not 1/4 of the X-men with social commentary galore or will we finally get the X-men the way most of us know them--complete with all the superhero, scifi, social commentary, family dynamic, etc. we love them for?

Is there some great crime in wanting the X-men to get the same great treatment the MCU is giving it's characters? Did I and a lot of other fans miss something? I get it that it's fashionable to hate on something or someone successful but I really thought more people would be on board with a more accurate, MCU-ish take on the characters.

Am I missing something about this franchise and it's fans? Don't we all want to see these characters bought to life the way we see them in the comics or am I missing something here? I would think it's a no-brainer?

I really would like to hear someone explain the disdain supporters of this X-franchise have for the MCU and their love for Singer's severely flawed vision.

Why does it matter to you?
At the end of the day, your status quo will still be the same.
You're not going to respect their opinions and what they have to say, you'll still find a way to show why people are wrong to defend the X-Men movies and Singer.
Screw accuracy, screw faithfulness, at the end of the day, all that matters is if the movie is good or bad, and in my opinion there's 7 out of 9 good X-Men films out there that even though everyone won't like it, some will.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why does it matter to you?
At the end of the day, your status quo will still be the same.
You're not going to respect their opinions and what they have to say, you'll still find a way to show why people are wrong to defend the X-Men movies and Singer.
Screw accuracy, screw faithfulness, at the end of the day, all that matters is if the movie is good or bad, and in my opinion there's 7 out of 9 good X-Men films out there that even though everyone won't like it, some will.

and for many, a good film is just a good film, but when its an adaptation of characters you love, its not wrong for people to want those characters done right.

either way... no one is wrong for wanting that.

and *gasp* it's actually possible to have both

 

[thegameq]

Why does it matter to you?
At the end of the day, your status quo will still be the same.
You're not going to respect their opinions and what they have to say, you'll still find a way to show why people are wrong to defend the X-Men movies and Singer.
Screw accuracy, screw faithfulness, at the end of the day, all that matters is if the movie is good or bad, and in my opinion there's 7 out of 9 good X-Men films out there that even though everyone won't like it, some will.

Hostile much?

At the end of the day we want the X-men we have all been reading and clamoring for in live-action? Yes...? Or is there some special version of the X-men I don't know about? Are you happy with this version of the X-men? Simple yes or no will suffice, not some diatribe spin on the films.

Everything that has been complained about add infinitum from day 1 on the X-boards essentially points to an MCU take on the X-men. Yet there is some strange resistance...

I challenge anyone on these boards to tell me that you don't think the MCU would give you a more accurate portrayal of these characters...and isn't that what everyone has been clamoring for...? Yes....or no?Storm to finally be Storm--or not? Cyclops to finally be Cyclops or not? To finally get the visual aesthetic we've been clamoring for...or not?

Did the world pass into some alternate dimension all of a sudden where we don't want the X-men from the comics anymore in live-action............?