Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[GuestStar2004]

If its cable then i have no idea how they would work the parentage angle into it without it getting really overly complex which is something this franchise ussually avoids unless they ignore that whole thing altogether.

 

[Havok83]

If its cable then i have no idea how they would work the parentage angle into it without it getting really overly complex which is something this franchise ussually avoids unless they ignore that whole thing altogether.

I don't see why it would be complicated. Cable is a time traveler that comes to the past to prevent an apocalyptic future. The parentage angle doesnt need to be explained and wouldnt be if it were a post credit scene. Those are just meant to tease something to come which would have been a good one for Cable. If anything sticking him in Apocalypse wouldnt have felt right for the simple fact that this premise was already handled in DOFP so if its going to be done again, it should stay in the present day with DP, which is pretty removed from the past trilogy anyway

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't see why it would be complicated. Cable is a time traveler that comes to the past to prevent an apocalyptic future. The parentage angle doesnt need to be explained and wouldnt be if it were a post credit scene. Those are just meant to tease something to come which would have been a good one for Cable. If anything sticking him in Apocalypse wouldnt have felt right for the simple fact that this premise was already handled in DOFP so if its going to be done again, it should stay in the present day with DP, which is pretty removed from the past trilogy anyway

the teaser should just be cable arriving in a spectacle of light and electricity and him instantly looking at Scott and going.... Hello... Dad. in a stand-offish way

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't see why it would be complicated. Cable is a time traveler that comes to the past to prevent an apocalyptic future. The parentage angle doesnt need to be explained and wouldnt be if it were a post credit scene. Those are just meant to tease something to come which would have been a good one for Cable. If anything sticking him in Apocalypse wouldnt have felt right for the simple fact that this premise was already handled in DOFP so if its going to be done again, it should stay in the present day with DP, which is pretty removed from the past trilogy anyway

Depends if cables origin is something they may wanna look at, if cable was to be hinted in an after credit scene it could be a body stand in tease of the character having time traveled back there or it could be a hint to his origin who knows, or maybe they don't intent to delve into that area at all which isn't a first for this franchise.

And to say they couldn't do another time travel story unless its in the present is interesting since how many times have the comics done it? and when you are already setting wolverine 3 in likely the further future and then you have cable going to the present to stop something in the future... doesn't seem all that much different at this point.

 

[DavidHaller]

I don't understand why it is too complex? Scott and Jean's son from the future travels back in time. he does not need be born in the present.

The parental angle is actually what makes this character fun in the first place and gives him some humanity. Cable is one of the laziest, most boring archetype military characters from the 1990s. At least give him some character arc besides being a badass war hero and let the audience see how he responds to Jean and Scott in the past...this was also what made Rachel Grey interesting.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yea.. im over this notion that parental lineage for these films is "too confusing" its not.. but yet.. we have no Mystique/Nightcrawler/Rogue relationship, they made that Havok/Cyke brother relationship more confusing by swapping it up and making a big age difference.... they opted to not make Juggernaut Xaviers half brother.. likely arn't making Legion Xaviers son... you lose a whole lot of characterization by ignoring the family lineages.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In my mind i was picturing this mentioned after credit scene being a wink to his origin which would be complex to giving where the characters are at this point in their lives rather then the actually character having time traveled back but since singer mentioned not having an outfit for this character its possible it was gonna be a tease stand in for the character.

obviously thats assuming it was gonna be cable.

 

[Havok83]

Depends if cables origin is something they may wanna look at, if cable was to be hinted in an after credit scene it could be a body stand in tease of the character having time traveled back there or it could be a hint to his origin who knows, or maybe they don't intent to delve into that area at all which isn't a first for this franchise.

They can tease his connection to Scott and Jean but that would unnecessarily complicate things and unless its going to be used in the next X-men film or Deadpool (both of which are unlikely), it would be best that they dont. We JUST got introduced to Scott and Jean. Its too soon to throw alternate reality kids at them when we havent even seem them develop as a couple

And to say they couldn't do another time travel story unless its in the present is interesting since how many times have the comics done it? and when you are already setting wolverine 3 in likely the further future and then you have cable going to the present to stop something in the future... doesn't seem all that much different at this point.

you do realize this is arguably the most maligned plot twist in the X-books? Why? Because its been done to death. And I wasnt opposed to them doing another time travel story in the movies. Im opposed to them introducing one in the sequel to DOFP which JUST handled that. Cable's backstory isnt just about time travel. Its the SAME exact premise that we saw in DOFP. We have Wolverine go back to the past to prevent some dark future and in the sequel, we are introduced to Cable who is set to do the same thing? Too much, too soon. Especially if this wont have anything to do with the past trilogy, it doesnt need to be there. It would have added nothing to Apocalypse and DP2 doesnt need it, even if it may have been a cool easter egg

The parental angle is actually what makes this character fun in the first place and gives him some humanity. Cable is one of the laziest, most boring archetype military characters from the 1990s. At least give him some character arc besides being a badass war hero and let the audience see how he responds to Jean and Scott in the past...this was also what made Rachel Grey interesting.

IA with that and it wasnt till they made him Christopher, that I found him intriguing. However it was his interactions with Scott and Jean that made him interesting. Without them to bounce off, that loses most of its appeal. He'd be more interesting in present day with the older Scott and Jean, than the past where they are teens that are barely an item

 

[CaptainCanada]

IA with that and it wasnt till they made him Christopher, that I found him intriguing. However it was his interactions with Scott and Jean that made him interesting. Without them to bounce off, that loses most of its appeal. He'd be more interesting in present day with the older Scott and Jean, than the past where they are teens that are barely an item

Even after the origin retcon, most Cable stories have little or nothing to do with Scott and Jean.

 

[DavidHaller]

Even after the origin retcon, most Cable stories have little or nothing to do with Scott and Jean.

he is of course his own character with his own storylines but always when he is part of the X-Men main books it is very much crucial that Scott and Jean are his family! When Scott died he became even part of the team and was on Jean's side. There are many stories dealing exactly with this family dynamic.

I do not see what is the problem to show his connection to Jean and Scott in the movies?! Deadpool's specific kind of humor makes it actually impossible not speak about it.

 

[Smilodon]

Cable's parentage doesn't even come until later anyways, we don't know his origins in the very beginning and they probably didn't know at the time how Rhett/Paul/Ryan/Tim are gonna streamline his origins/introduce him anyways. (Though you could assume they'll just make him Jean/Scott's child and leave the whole Madeline Pryor business out). That and it'd be redundant and the looks wouldn't match so good on them for talking it out and not including it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

we don't know his origins in the very beginning and they probably didn't know at the time how Rhett/Paul/Ryan/Tim are gonna streamline his origins/introduce him anyways. (Though you could assume they'll just make him Jean/Scott's child and leave the whole Madeline Pryor business out). That and it'd be redundant and the looks wouldn't match so good on them for talking it out and not including it.

To be fair since deadpool is now apart of the X-Men universe chances are the producers are also getting involved in what to do with his origin or introduction, its likely not just a case of the deadpool guys making those decisions now.

its like singer saying he was gonna do a tease for deadpool 2... obviously to do that singer has to have some idea where they are going with cable or the connective tissue there and if they have not yet decided whether they will ever explore that origin side of thing or just ignore it... then nothing has changed really, still no plan.

And deadpool 2 probably wouldn't be the right thing to get into all that stuff anyway

 

[marvelrobbins]

To be fair since deadpool is now apart of the X-Men universe now chances are the producers are also getting involved in what to do with his origin or introduction, its likely not just a case of the deadpool guys making those decisions now.

its like singer saying he was gonna do a tease for deadpool 2... obviously to do that singer has to have some idea where they are going with cable or the connective tissue there and if they have not yet decided whether they will ever explore that origin side of thing or just ignore it... then nothing has changed really, still no plan.

And deadpool 2 probably wouldn't be the right thing to get into all that stuff anyway

I doudt they even get into cable's origin in Deadpool 2.when cable was introduced he was more a mysteras character.in past there has been rumblings fox has big plans for cable.they essential view him for X-force how they viewed wolverine for X-Men.

Since Singer said before kinberg was working on X-force and reportly it was singer who pitched idea of female wolverine to fox,who is likely X-23,he is apparently consulting with kinberg on X-force this was probally why they were talking about doing stinger for deadpool 2

 

[Weather Witch]

Well they were originally going to have Rachel Grey in DOFP, so I wouldn't surprised if they do briefly touch on Cable's lineage.

 

[Smilodon]

To be fair since deadpool is now apart of the X-Men universe chances are the producers are also getting involved in what to do with his origin or introduction, its likely not just a case of the deadpool guys making those decisions now.

its like singer saying he was gonna do a tease for deadpool 2... obviously to do that singer has to have some idea where they are going with cable or the connective tissue there and if they have not yet decided whether they will ever explore that origin side of thing or just ignore it... then nothing has changed really, still no plan.

And deadpool 2 probably wouldn't be the right thing to get into all that stuff anyway

That's what I said? I didn't say they were unilaterally making decisions, just that they clearly weren't all on the same page to be able to tease something at the filming of Apocalypse.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Concept art

Looks like trask may have been in the script at some point, the concept art date is january 2015

Hmm...so i guess originally Trask was meant to have had a hand in creating that advanced tech at Alkali Lake (with funding from Essex Corp)? It makes sense given the relationship Stryker and Trask had in DOFP. Still, i'm glad they didn't follow through with that idea. Other characters would have suffered from his presence.

that would explain some of this concept art I found....

Spoiler

it would seem the scene's in Stryker's base was suppose to much more elaborate complete with giant warbots (with based on the color scheme) seem to be sentinel inspired

 

[GuestStar2004]

That's what I said? I didn't say they were unilaterally making decisions, just that they clearly weren't all on the same page to be able to tease something at the filming of Apocalypse.

Well according to singer the problem was more in the lack of costume for the character they plan on using rather then not being on the same page on how this character could be in the apocalypse era setting which means they had to have some idea of what the plan was.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Ranking X-men movies,the best is X2(best Cast,best story,best film)

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/09/12/ranking-the-x-men-movies

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Ranking X-men movies,the best is X2(best Cast,best story,best film)

And Aaron Stanford as Pyro

He's awesome

 

[chamber-music]

Cable's parentage doesn't even come until later anyways, we don't know his origins in the very beginning and they probably didn't know at the time how Rhett/Paul/Ryan/Tim are gonna streamline his origins/introduce him anyways. (Though you could assume they'll just make him Jean/Scott's child and leave the whole Madeline Pryor business out). That and it'd be redundant and the looks wouldn't match so good on them for talking it out and not including it.

I hope Cable is Scott and Jeans kid and Madeline Pryor is one of those comic things that don't ever need to be seen in the films.

 

[DavidHaller]

Quicksilver's scene seem to go a little viral at the moment at least in my facebook feed...

I just realized that it does not make any sene at all that Havok shoots a full power blast directly at a group of people who are just abducting Professor X. If Apocalypse wouldn't have teleported all of them away Havok would have shot and possibly killed Xavier. lol

honestly, what a stupid scene this was. Visually outstanding but very bad integrated into the overall movie. It is such a untypical thing for Singer to do: action for action's sake...for me this scene was very dumb fanservice...they should have used Quicksilver and the money spend for an epic fight with Apocalypse in the end...

 

[marvelrobbins]

Ranking X-men movies,the best is X2(best Cast,best story,best film)

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/09/12/ranking-the-x-men-movies

I have disagreements with IGN placements.

X-men deserves more respect.Last stand is true low point of franchise to me.First class better than Dofp?

they are right on X2 as best and at least they don't try to say last stand and origins better than apocalypse.

 

[Havok83]

IA with that bottom 3. Origins, X3 and Apocalypse, truly are the worst, in that order

 

[DavidHaller]

as much as I dislike 'X-Men: Apocalypse' I see it nowhere near 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' and 'X3'...

 

[chamber-music]

All I know is X-Men Origins: Wolverine was awful and the only X-Men film I wouldn't want to watch again.