Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[TheNewSlayer]

Taste for things is complicated cause everyone loves and hates differently things.

I feel like X-Men Origins Wolverine is way better than X-Men First Class. First Class was boring for me with the whole Word War thing, maybe because I'm not an American, so this part of the story was boring to watch. Wolverine Origins felt awesome the first time I've watched, I really loved the action scenes and that Deadpool worked for that movie. Sure is nothing like Deadpool from comics, but for that movie it was just a weapon and it was a nice Final Boss for Wolverine to defeat. First Class the Final Boss was what? Xavier? Moria? Magneto? It just felt empty. But I did like when Magneto stopped all the missiles and sent then back to the ships.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Taste for things is complicated cause everyone loves and hates differently things.

I feel like X-Men Origins Wolverine is way better than X-Men First Class. First Class was boring for me with the whole Word War thing, maybe because I'm not an American, so this part of the story was boring to watch. Wolverine Origins felt awesome the first time I've watched, I really loved the action scenes and that Deadpool worked for that movie. Sure is nothing like Deadpool from comics, but for that movie it was just a weapon and it was a nice Final Boss for Wolverine to defeat. First Class the Final Boss was what? Xavier? Moria? Magneto? It just felt empty. But I did like when Magneto stopped all the missiles and sent then back to the ships.

both last stand and origins are bad but i have always felt last stand was worse.in part because i am tougher on full X-men films than spin-offs.

now that i own a digital copy of X-men apocalypse i will have to rewatch it and Apocalypse to see which one i think is better

ignoring last stand and origins I place the remain films in franchice In 3 stages

top-X2 and DOFP
middle-X-men and apocalypse
low end of good films-The Wolverine,First class,and deadpool

My personal taste is why i rate deadpool lower than the other good films in
X-men franchise.now if i ever foollowed the solo deadpool book I might had
apperecated deadpool more.but other peoples taste may be to like deadpool and First class more.just like others may only like x-men,X2,and DOFP.some might only like original trilogy and DOFP and even a few may only like
Original trilogy,DOFP,and deadpool.

 

[GuestStar2004]

All I know is X-Men Origins: Wolverine was awful and the only X-Men film I wouldn't want to watch again.

I can watch Origins and i have probably seen it being shown on tv more times then any of the other movies.

To me the film doesn't feel like its trying to be anything but a fun mess of characters and action and thats pretty much what i take the film as, nothing more than that.

For me X3 is the one i just can't watch or won't watch.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It is such a untypical thing for Singer to do: action for action's sake...for me this scene was very dumb fanservice...they should have used Quicksilver and the money spend for an epic fight with Apocalypse in the end...

I wouldn't say that was action for the sake of action, well unless the mansion exploding was written just for the sake of the quicksilver sequence otherwise if the mansion exploding was a thing they always wanted to do then the action always had a purpose and that was to get everyone out of the quickly exploding mansion

 

[marvelrobbins]

I can watch Origins and i have probably seen it being shown on tv more times then any of the other movies.

To me the film doesn't feel like its trying to be anything but a fun mess of characters and action and thats pretty much what i take the film as, nothing more than that.

For me X3 is the one i just can't watch or won't watch.

we have similar thoughts when it comes to last stand and origins.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I finally watched Apocalpyse and I must say this movie was let's call it bigger let down than BvS theatrical cut. And that's putting it nice way. I'll just say likely one of worse X-Men movies. It isnt Last Stand bad or Origins. But just huge dissapointed even with lowered expectations. It totally deserves that 48% rotten tomato score.

It felt too much flash, zero supstance. More popcorn blockbuster, too much fake CGI, with obvious rope stunts trying to do "highlights shots" than you would expect X-men movie to be. Besides few scenes here or there, like Scott Summer discovering his powers who were excellent. All horsmen of apocalypse felt like a mess, like I said zero supstance. Zero character development.

It just didnt felt right. I almost cringed on some moments. It's a mess. And not even fun mess btw.

Yup I'll say this is top 3 bottom X-men movie. I'll repeat again not anywhere near bad Last Stand or Origins. But certainly not good.

 

[Havok83]

Yup I'll say this is top 3 bottom X-men movie. I'll repeat again not anywhere near bad Last Stand or Origins. But certainly not good.

Not awful but the definition of mediocre when it could have been so much more. There was nothing redeemable about TLS or Origins but Apocalypse had the foundations for a great film, but they botched it big time

 

[SAUspartan]

Still the best comic book movie of the year!

 

[psylockolussus]

Its the third for me after Civil War and Deadpool.

 

[kguillou]

I am still shocked at the sharp negative response to this movie. Some movies that i enjoy, like BvS, I totally get it and see why people disn't like it. But Apocalypse, I really just dont see how anyone could call it "bad." The cast is incredibly charming (especially the always reliable Fassbenser and Mccavoy), we finally get an Xmen film where the group works as a team and get to truly display their powers, we get awesome geekout moments that Xmen fans have been waiting forever for ( the Weapon X sequence, the unleashing of the Phoenix), the story is not anything special or original but this is the first Xmen movie where the team is actually fighting a world ending threat..is it because we've seen this in other non xmen cbms that people are sour on it? I dont feel thats fair to the xmen movies because they've never done it before in their own series. And were people NOT expecting a big action climax with a villain like Apocalypse?

I mean, dont get me wrong, to each his own, but I remember sitting in the theater thinking "what exactly in this movie has pissed so many people off? There's so many great moments Xmen fans have been waiting for in this."

I have to see the movie again but I will concede that I remember the pacing was a bit off in the first half and it took a while to get to the action, but if the cast wasnt so charming and entertaining to watch then it probably would have been a chore.

I dunno, maybe I'm just an easier lay than most C fans are.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[DavidHaller]

I understand the critique. For me personally it has mainly to do with a 'height of fall' and I could imagine that many critics experienced it similarly: 'Days of Future Past' ist maybe the best superhero movie after 'The Dark Knight'. 'Days of Future Past' is emotionally so complex and well-crafted that 'X-Men: Apocalypse' in comparison feels like an empty shell of dumb genre clichés and fanservice without message.

Singer's handwriting and eye for detail are missing in 2/3 of the movie. The action is badly choreographed and edited and thus does not excuse why the social commentary and complexity of 'Days of Future Past' are missing...In brief, there is no story, no character motivation (besides Magneto but the script suddenly abandones him in the third act and is not coming back to his motivations and change of mind) and also no good action (this is what makes it a very mediocre movie experience for me because it neither entertains my intellect nor my nostalgic fanboy-ism). You could improve the movie very easily with some scenes like the Xavier/Storm conversation. The whole mediocre cgi ending should be shortened (also the Wolverine cameo) and the characters should get some clearer motivation. Seeing Magneto walking away without explanation or conflict is just so absurd...

It is mainly a huge disappointment but this does not make it DC comicbook movies bad! for sure! 'Suicide Squad' and 'Batman vs. Superman' are something else entirely!

 

[kguillou]

I understand the critique. For me personally it has mainly to do with a 'height of fall' and I could imagine that many critics experienced it similarly: 'Days of Future Past' ist maybe the best superhero movie after 'The Dark Knight'. 'Days of Future Past' is emotionally so complex and well-crafted that 'X-Men: Apocalypse' in comparison feels like an empty shell of dumb genre clichés and fanservice without message.

Singer's handwriting and eye for detail are missing in 2/3 of the movie. The action is badly choreographed and edited and thus does not excuse why the social commentary and complexity of 'Days of Future Past' are missing...In brief, there is no story, no character motivation (besides Magneto but the script suddenly abandones him in the third act and is not coming back to his motivations and change of mind) and also no good action (this is what makes it a very mediocre movie experience for me because it neither entertains my intellect nor my nostalgic fanboy-ism). You could improve the movie very easily with some scenes like the Xavier/Storm conversation. The whole mediocre cgi ending should be shortened (also the Wolverine cameo) and the characters should get some clearer motivation. Seeing Magneto walking away without explanation or conflict is just so absurd...

It is mainly a huge disappointment but this does not make it DC comicbook movies bad! for sure! 'Suicide Squad' and 'Batman vs. Superman' are something else entirely!

That's a very fair critique, and I like how you stressed that it was a disappointment to you as opposed to saying it was an out and out bad movie like many people are. I remember people were even saying TLS and X Origins were better, and that kind of kneejerk hyperbole always irks me.

I agree that this movie was much more "rock 'em sock 'em" than the more emotionally charged DOFP. However, for me anyway, I think I was ready for a "rock 'em sock 'em" X-men film. After 9 movies I was ready to see an X-Men movie where the X-men kick ass against a powerful foe, so I wasn't bothered that it was as tightly woven or emotionally gripping as DOFP or First Class, both of which I think are some of the finest CBM's ever made. It was nice way to close the prequel trilogy and the geekout fanboy moments made me forget about X: Origins and The Last Stand.

The movie is not perfect, the pacing in the first half is slow and and there are some abrupt tonal shifts, but I maintain that this is a very competently made film and you could see lots of effort and love put into it as opposed to TLS and Origins which are just straight up spitting in your face and insulting you.

 

[Storm22]

That's a very fair critique, and I like how you stressed that it was a disappointment to you as opposed to saying it was an out and out bad movie like many people are. I remember people were even saying TLS and X Origins were better, and that kind of kneejerk hyperbole always irks me.

I agree that this movie was much more "rock 'em sock 'em" than the more emotionally charged DOFP. However, for me anyway, I think I was ready for a "rock 'em sock 'em" X-men film. After 9 movies I was ready to see an X-Men movie where the X-men kick ass against a powerful foe, so I wasn't bothered that it was as tightly woven or emotionally gripping as DOFP or First Class, both of which I think are some of the finest CBM's ever made. It was nice way to close the prequel trilogy and the geekout fanboy moments made me forget about X: Origins and The Last Stand.

The movie is not perfect, the pacing in the first half is slow and and there are some abrupt tonal shifts, but I maintain that this is a very competently made film and you could see lots of effort and love put into it as opposed to TLS and Origins which are just straight up spitting in your face and insulting you.

I agree with everything you said

 

[Legion]

I think the film has some fundamental issues such as weak script, villain, and cgi. These issue are present regardless of how you compare it to DoFP and will impact your enjoyment.

As far as the film not being as emotionally charged as DoFP, the filmmakers still missed the mark in making an action heavy film. The action scenes still felt few and far apart. The choreography, wire work, and cgi were weak. I preferred the action scenes in DoFP and it had everything else that was missing in Apocalypse.

The film also kept weaknesses from previous films such as underdeveloped characters but shed all of their strengths.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Personally i think the action in DOFP is about the same as in Apocalypse, effects wise they may have been a little more completed in DOFP but overall if you are an action junkie you probably wouldn't get your full fix from DOFP or apocalypse.

And when you look at the 2 comic book movies in the same year like batman vs superman where its very action heavy and civil war which was fairly action heavy also... it does make apocalypse look lazy in comparison

 

[fobi]

I final saw Civil War and I think the action scenes, or the lack there of in Apocalypse, was a big reason why people disliked it so much. Of course the script wasn't great and Apocalypse could've been portrayed better but I really think that was the main reason. The casual fan loves that kind of stuff. Deadpool had great action scenes as well as great comedic scenes and then Civil came with arguably even better action scenes.

I totally get that this X-Men team weren't even technically the "X-Men" so it was supposed to look amateurish. This was their first mission and they were kind of thrown into it while they were just learning to get control of their powers. I think they could have made up for that by maybe utilizing the horsemen a little better. Psylocke was such a huge disappointment, she should have had displayed the best hand to hand combat skills we've ever seen in an X-Men film being that she's a damn ninja! That kick that we saw he do in the trailer didn't even make the final cut. She threw not one punch! Lol

But I digress, what can you do but dream of what could have been.

 

[fobi]

Personally i think the action in DOFP is about the same as in Apocalypse, effects wise they may have been a little more completed in DOFP but overall if you are an action junkie you probably wouldn't get your full fix from DOFP or apocalypse.

And when you look at the 2 comic book movies in the same year like batman vs superman where its very action heavy and civil war which was fairly action heavy also... it does make apocalypse look lazy in comparison

I think the action in DOFP was much better. You had all of Wolverine's scenes, the intro scene against the sentinels in the future, Mystique had a good scene (she literally had none in Apocalypse) and then of course the brilliant past/present scene versus the sentinels.

 

[kguillou]

I was always disappointed that we never got to see wolverine fight any sentinels in DOFP. Yes, I know that with the bone claws, it wouldn't have made much sense but that was one of the very, very few things that movie disappointed me with.

 

[Havok83]

Even the crappy X3 was more fulfilling when it came to action

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Singer and Action have never worked.. the action in nearly all the singer films that wasn't a "1 on 1" fight have honestly been terrible. even the Future Scenes were basically like a chess battle "this player goes out and fights, then this one, then this one" rather than actually fighting together....

his best fight sequences are when he only has to focus on one or 2 people... (Mystique vs Wolverine, Wolverine vs Deathstrike, Nightcrawler in the white house) those are easily his top and most memorable.

his best "sequences" are also typically focused on one person... "X2 Mansion attack", "Nightcrawler in the white house", "Quicksilver (both films)" and "Future mutants vs Sentinels Opening scene". the X2 mansion attack and the DOFP were both shot similarly.. mostly following one mutant, but weaving in and out of others. While the Nightcrawler and 2 QS scenes are pretty similar in terms of shooting and flow

Singer just doesn't seem to know how to shoot a multi-ensemble fight scene. he's got the flowing idea down.. but he plays favorites with who the camera is on.. and he doesn't need to.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Even the crappy X3 was more fulfilling when it came to action

i gotta agree with that.. the Alcatraz fight and Grey House fight all felt like energized brawls

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think the action in DOFP was much better. You had all of Wolverine's scenes, the intro scene against the sentinels in the future, Mystique had a good scene (she literally had none in Apocalypse) and then of course the brilliant past/present scene versus the sentinels.

Well wolverine actually may have had the same amount of action in his Apocalypse cameo as he did DOFP since he had a quick fight when he first arrived in the 70s, then he hit some people with pans and had an attempt at hitting a sentinels... that was kinda it

i think if you add the action pieces up they end up about the same amount, just one has robots and the other doesn't

And do we count the mutants being killed in various ways in DOFP as action? because that took up a fair amount of that action if so.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Even the crappy X3 was more fulfilling when it came to action

The fight at jeans house was pretty good in places but other then that I wouldn't say so, the final battle was pretty poor really, they had these mutants taking their stand against an almost army of mutants and you don't see much of it at all, you don't even get a sense of how each of them are defending themselves or how this army isn't just kicking their ass.

The Danger Room stuff was also weak in X3 also actually.