Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[Zant]

we are just saying it's not incredibly hard to dissassociate it with the singer verse and appropriate it into the MCU if they wanted to.. (which its not) none of that is direct ties to the singer-verse that anchor's it in to never be anything but.. (which is the point)

Oh, fair enough.Although, appropriating it into the MCU won't be easy. Unless Mutants, X -mansion and Colossus now exist in the MCU. Not sure they could ignore all that.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh, fair enough.Although, appropriating it into the MCU won't be easy. Unless Mutants, X -mansion and Colossus now exist in the MCU. Not sure they could ignore all that.

... colossus and other mutants would obviously be introduced prior to DP

no one is just talking about deadpool. just using an example

 

[danoyse]

They don't care, common sense has been left this thread a long time ago.

Then find something else to do besides trolling a thread you don't like.

 

[GuestStar2004]

we are just saying it's not incredibly hard to dissassociate it with the singer verse and appropriate it into the MCU if they wanted to.. (which its not) none of that is direct ties to the singer-verse that anchor's it in to never be anything but.. (which is the point)

At this point there is probably more anchors on it connected to singers then the MCU for obvious reasons and the longer it takes fox to not join the MCU and the more deadpool continues the less it can connect to the MCU as its not just about whether deadpool can fit in the MCU it's also whether it makes sense for deadpool to fit in the MCU universe.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

At this point there is probably more anchors on it connected to singers then the MCU for obvious reasons and the longer it takes fox to not join the MCU and the more deadpool continues the less it can connect to the MCU as its not just about whether deadpool can fit in the MCU it's also whether it makes sense for deadpool to fit in the MCU universe.

right now it really has no anchors to the singer verse.. other than the mansion. Hell in the deadpool universe the singer universe could actually be a movie series with actors (thus the XO DP toy) and the fact he acknowledges Jackman, Macavoy, and Stewart.... sure his schtick is breaking the 4th wall.. but it could just as easily still be swung that way.

it fits and bends easily into either universe at the moment. But yes, sequels especially ones that begin to be less vague and reference another established universe will cement it into that one much more.

 

[GuestStar2004]

right now it really has no anchors to the singer verse.. other than the mansion. Hell in the deadpool universe the singer universe could actually be a movie series with actors (thus the XO DP toy) and the fact he acknowledges Jackman, Macavoy, and Stewart.... sure his schtick is breaking the 4th wall.. but it could just as easily still be swung that way.

it fits and bends easily into either universe at the moment. But yes, sequels especially ones that begin to be less vague and reference another established universe will cement it into that one much more.

I believe colossus is wearing a slightly altered version of the X3 colossus outfit in deadpool also

 

[Zant]

right now it really has no anchors to the singer verse.. other than the mansion. Hell in the deadpool universe the singer universe could actually be a movie series with actors (thus the XO DP toy) and the fact he acknowledges Jackman, Macavoy, and Stewart.... sure his schtick is breaking the 4th wall.. but it could just as easily still be swung that way.

it fits and bends easily into either universe at the moment. But yes, sequels especially ones that begin to be less vague and reference another established universe will cement it into that one much more.

The Deadpool film clearly fits and bends into one obvious universe. Nothing really vague there IMO.

 

[JEM]

You don't have to wait Wolverine 3 and MCU Spider in order to know Fox's plan. New Mutant could be in production before they open in theatre and the movie could have some link with X-universe. We will see if Shipp and Mcvoy are still in but Fox have to make decision fast with their universe.

Maybe, they already had. More time pass, more the connection will be obvious. I think we will have more info very soon.

 

[magneto23]

And revolving door is better than the current "stick a mutant in have them do nothing and barely speak, kill them off or don't bring them back for a sequel" thing that keeps happening

It goes without saying that things have to change with the current way things are run and the choices that are made. They can't keep treating characters like that. If they right the ship in that regard, then they'll be fine. Definitely a better route than sharing significant screen time with other Marvel properties IMO. Screen time that should /could be used on more X-Men characters.

 

[X-Maniac]

Kinberg is definitely talking the talk, but we haven't exactly seen them all walking the walk yet....

This interview was on Moviefone, I saw when it was cited on X-Men Films and posted on their Facebook feed.

"Star Wars" isn't the only franchise under Kinsberg's stewardship; he's also an executive producer on the "X-Men" films, and, after broadening its reach with the smash "Deadpool," he's also got an eye on expanding the universe into television with FX's upcoming series "Legion," which has vacillated between being directly tied to the films' (admittedly shifting) continuities and occupying its own distinct subset universe.

"The success of that movie showed the studio that not just the mainline 'X-Men' movies, but there are characters -- and characters with different tones and different vibes, that can justify their own movies as well," he explains.

"So 'Gambit,' and 'Deadpool,' and 'New Mutants,' and even others ... we're really serious about making, and then, like the way Marvel has done so brilliantly, the Marvel Studios have done so brilliantly, feeding them in and out of each other's stories," Kinberg adds. "Building these larger tapestries that you can watch one movie and enjoy it, and that can be your only experience of an 'X-Men' movie, but if you watch all of them together, you get a deeper, richer experience."

"Legion" marks the first step to bringing a direct connection to the cinematic X-verse to television, and is overseen by Noah Hawley, who's had tremendous creative success translating the Coen brothers' film "Fargo" into an FX series with two distinctive season-long story arcs both interconnected with one another and, slyly and subtly, with the original movie.

"Tonally, it's very different," says Kinberg. "Noah is a genius -- he wrote and created and directed the pilot to 'Legion' -- and it is a very different sensibility than anything we've done with the 'X-Men' movies. Almost, I would say, as radically different as 'Deadpool' was from the mainline 'X-Men' movies. 'Legion' is, again, in a different direction: really character-based, really granular in terms of getting inside the details of the characters. It stands as part of the 'X-Men' universe, but it stands apart from it as well."

 

[Sithborg]

sigh

Kinberg does realize that Hawley has been pretty direct about Legion not being connected to the movies, right?

 

[superweirdo87]

JEM, I do think that with time, choosing to go the MCU route gets trickier. But, I don't think it gets closed off with Wolverine sequel in 2017. I don't think X-23 will be in Deadpool 2. So, that does not close off possibilities. If and when X-23 from Wolverine and Deadpool interact, it becomes trickier.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I believe colossus is wearing a slightly altered version of the X3 colossus outfit in deadpool also

but that's just as ignorable. it's a completely different colossus. regardless of if cudmore was asked to return. its basically like comparing X3 Psylocke to Apocalypses... no continuity between the 2 and clearly not the same character..

 

[JEM]

Colossus is ambiguous. I don't know if we will see his human form in Deadpool 2. In the end of DOFP, we only see Daniel Cudmore and he didn't say anything.

In the reboot timeline, you could say he has russian accent and he can be bigger with his metal skin. Beside, he can walk in public, take taxi and nobody give a sh...X-Men in Deadpool world don't try to be discreet anymore. They fit the world post DOFP because people are fine with mutant.


If they recast X-Men like Kitty, Rogue, Xavier, Wolverine, things could be more complicated.
Quotes from Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick

“It’s a legal list but it’s also a creative list, because X-Men: Apocalypse has plans, they have plans for future X-Men movies, and we also have timeline issues. We have actors who are now playing the parts who are a younger generation, we have the older actors—where does Deadpool’s timeline fit in with the others? These are all things that Simon Kinberg worries about for the moment instead of us. Colossus was easy to do because he’s chrome and there was no live-action actor playing him, Negasonic was easy to do because she’s a very minor character, but if you start talking about Professor X or Beast you do start running into timeline issues and we’re gonna need guidelines on that.”

JEM, I do think that with time, choosing to go the MCU route gets trickier. But, I don't think it gets closed off with Wolverine sequel in 2017. I don't think X-23 will be in Deadpool 2. So, that does not close off possibilities. If and when X-23 from Wolverine and Deadpool interact, it becomes trickier.

I would like to know Deadpool 2 plot, it could set-up X-Force with Cable and Domino

 

[psylockolussus]

I cringe and cringe when I read these interviews from Kinberg. Like he needs not to handle these properties anymore, especially the script for the sake of the franchise!

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, I don't think he is as in charge as many, including Kinberg himself, makes him out to be. He is involved with the production with many of the movies, sure. But, it is clear that he isn't fully involved like Feige.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I cringe and cringe when I read these interviews from Kinberg. Like he needs not to handle these properties anymore, especially the script for the sake of the franchise!

he tends to always be a contradicting voice .. almost always

 

[marvelrobbins]

well I see after being away for a bit not much as changed.the anti-fox people cheerleading for end for end of X-Men franchise.yes sending off to other studio for reboot is ending franchise for those who like X-men films.

So deadpool uses footage from last stand and uses X-Men films inspired hanger and people trying to claim deadpool isn't part of X_Men films contunity.writers even said Kinberg has to guide them if they ever put more established X-men characters in deadpool sequels.

It doesn't bother people who post who hate apocalypse and i like the film what's bothers me is those hoping for end of X-Men franchise so they can be supporting or secondary characters in another studio franchise.

people critze me when i critze other studio comic book films so i am not even going to mention them anymore in X-Men threads.

 

[Havok83]

@Havok83, they should probably let go of FF's movie rights at this point. Just with the over-all reception of the 2015 film, I would be very surprised if they go ahead for a third try.

It takes time and money to create a movie and IMO, they should save it for a X-Men movie which is their more successful Marvel property.

I mean they dont have to do another FF film, but somethng like a FF spinoff like Silver Surfer film could suffice to get them to retain the rights. I dont trust them though

The only place the FF going is back to Marvel.

IA but they arent just going to let the license lapse and have it revert to Marvel. It would make more financial sense for them to leverage it

well I see after being away for a bit not much as changed.the anti-fox people cheerleading for end for end of X-Men franchise.yes sending off to other studio for reboot is ending franchise for those who like X-men films.

So deadpool uses footage from last stand and uses X-Men films inspired hanger and people trying to claim deadpool isn't part of X_Men films contunity.writers even said Kinberg has to guide them if they ever put more established X-men characters in deadpool sequels.

It doesn't bother people who post who hate apocalypse and i like the film what's bothers me is those hoping for end of X-Men franchise so they can be supporting or secondary characters in another studio franchise.

people critze me when i critze other studio comic book films so i am not even going to mention them anymore in X-Men threads.

the state of the X franchise is so bad that people dont care. The X-men should have been rebooted years ago. Fox didnt do that and they've continued the film series, writing themselves into a corner in the process. The last film was mediocore at best when it should have been amazing. We've seen Fox's vision of the X-men....its what we've had to deal with for over 15 years. I dont see anything wrong with wanting new blood and experience a brand new take on these characters.

The X-men franchise under Fox lacks vision and lacks direction. Thats the complete opposite of the approach Marvel has and its a mentality that can and would only strengthen the films

 

[ImSGirl95]

The X-men franchise under Fox lacks vision and lacks direction. Thats the complete opposite of the approach Marvel has and its a mentality that can and would only strengthen the films

 

[marvelrobbins]

the state of the X franchise is so bad that people dont care. The X-men should have been rebooted years ago. Fox didnt do that and they've continued the film series, writing themselves into a corner in the process. The last film was mediocore at best when it should have been amazing. We've seen Fox's vision of the X-men....its what we've had to deal with for over 15 years. I dont see anything wrong with wanting new blood and experience a brand new take on these characters.

The X-men franchise under Fox lacks vision and lacks direction. Thats the complete opposite of the approach Marvel has and its a mentality that can and would only strengthen the films

says you who consently attacks the X-Men films around here.

you certinly don't speak for everyone in calling apocalypse medicore.

fox was never going to reboot X-Men as long as jackman wa splaying wolverine.First class was never going to be a reboot with another wolverine
film in works.

fox did their own version of the star trek 2009 with time travel erasing original trilogy and still not good enough for the haters.

I am sick of the reboot mentality.

after they introduced versions of cyclops,jean,storm,and nightcrawler who can be players in new timeline you solution is to say to fans of film screw you and send it to other studio which will make spending money and time on all X-Men related films a waste of time

 

[Havok83]

says you who consently attacks the X-Men films around here.

you certinly don't speak for everyone in calling apocalypse medicore.

fox was never going to reboot X-Men as long as jackman wa splaying wolverine.First class was never going to be a reboot with another wolverine
film in works.

fox did their own version of the star trek 2009 with time travel erasing original trilogy and still not good enough for the haters.

I am sick of the reboot mentality.

after they introduced versions of cyclops,jean,storm,and nightcrawler who can be players in new timeline you solution is to say to fans of film screw you and send it to other studio which will make spending money and time on all X-Men related films a waste of time

LOL...I do? Can you bring up examples of that? The only X-men film, Ive had negative comments about in recent history is Apocalypse, you know the one that just came out 2 months ago. I really dont have alot of bad things to say about any of the other films besides maybe X3, which I rarely discuss

I dont speak for everyone, but you are naive if you dont believe that Apocalypse released to less than positive reviews. I was being generous when I called it mediocore at best bc it got panned for being much worse.

No, Fox was never going to reboot, which is why we are in the mess that we are in today

Sick of the reboot mentality? Oh well, deal with it. Its relevant topic of discussion and one that wont go away till either we get an amazing X-men film or they actually give us a reboot. Maybe not even then, but thats life.

You didnt waste your time and money on Apocalypse. You got enjoyment out of it right? Xmen going to Marvel doesnt negate that and automatically ruin your experience with the film

 

[YoungBlood]

With 7 of 9 good films (that includes Apocalypse to a certain extent), I don't think the X-Men Movies are lacking vision. They make lack consistency in certain places and do need new blood to help the films, as well as fixing continuity, but if their vision is to make good and enjoyable films, then they done right so far.

 

[JEM]

You have a clear vision with X1, X2, X3, FC, DOFP, Apoc. Both trilogies are about Xavier, his mistake and his redemption.
He is the central part of the franchise and all things happened because of him (Stryker, X-Men, Phoenix, Magneto, Sentinel, Mystique)

It is why he is the last image in apocalypse. A new Xavier with different mentality, different world where mutant are free and new vision for the X-Men.
I understand some fans don't like it and prefer a different take but the vision is here.

But yeah, there are a frustation for others X-Men like Storm, Cyclop, Kitty, Rogue and the universe in general. Fox need to develop them more and i hope we can see that in the future. If not, Marvel will have the X-Men sooner than later.

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX are set for a few more years now or longer with this current universe so no point being a cry baby about it.