Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[DavidHaller]

I love "Days of Future Past" but "X-Men: Apocalpyse" is just a trainwreck of a movie and very rightfully critically ripped apart!

I have no idea how both movies could have the same team attached...maybe they developed some collective drug problem between both movies. I don't know.

 

[Sithborg]

WOAH, looking at Kinberg's rottentomatoes score is indeed frightening. This is not hit and miss but absolutely trainwreck horror show!!!

The X-Men are doomed if he writes the next movie and if there will be no serious talented director attached who will take the time and re-write EVERYTHING!

No discussion, this person cannot write movie scripts!

R.I.P. critically acclaimed Singer X-Men universe! Let's better prepare for some Transformers/Last Stand/Fantastic Four future!

He has credits to films I have enjoyed. And, as I have learned this summer, the rottentomatoes aggregate is not everything. Especially considering how much I loved Apocalypse. But considering he was involved with DOFP, I fail to see how his involvement is a touch of doom.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I love "Days of Future Past" but "X-Men: Apocalpyse" is just a trainwreck of a movie and very rightfully critically ripped apart!

I have no idea how both movies could have the same team attached...maybe they developed some collective drug problem between both movies. I don't know.

I really like X-Men: Apocalypse but you know both DOFP and Apocalypse had the same inconsistencies and some good and some bad use of characters, there isn't much difference really in terms for writing and direction between the 2.

 

[GuestStar2004]

My dream sceniro would be for him to do a 2 part version of phoenix/Dark Phoenix in part so there isn't another last stand situation with phoenix.and he has chance to work more with the younger cast he introduced with Apocalypse.and then walk away.after doing 2 films of original trilogy and 4 films of new timeline.

Singer isn't the only person who can direct a movie and look at a script and make changes when needed.

Thing is when it comes to singers visions its hard to say how fresh it can be since if you look at storyboards for the original X3 there is a city being what looks like being sand stormed up into the sky and thats pretty much what we got with apocalypse, its like singer got to do his vision but for apocalypse instead.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I love "Days of Future Past" but "X-Men: Apocalpyse" is just a trainwreck of a movie and very rightfully critically ripped apart!

I have no idea how both movies could have the same team attached...maybe they developed some collective drug problem between both movies. I don't know.

I strongly disagree on apocalypse as trainwreck but that is your choice.

If singer hadn't directed apocalypse i might have agreed with it.

I have my suspecion Singer's false allegations caused him to drop the ball
during apocalypse writing,and DOFP success may have caused them to trust Kinberg more than on DOFP.

 

[iacobusleo]

The possibility that Kinberg may be writing the next movie is terrifying. The problem with Apocalypse lies purely with the script. One can only hope that he gets a collaborator like he did with DOFP (although Goldman was credited for story only) or a director that can rein him in.

 

[Zarex]

but its use them or lose them. They can put it on the backburner for now but they cant completely abandon the FF. We'll likely hear something next year

The only reasonable option is lose them. The studio is 0 for 3 on licensed films based on the First Family and hasn't made a dime on the franchise in over a decade. Their most recent effort was an abject embarrassment that Rupert Murdoch blamed for disappointing results at his studio. If we hear anything next year it will have to do with rights reversion.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

WOAH, looking at Kinberg's rottentomatoes score is indeed frightening. This is not hit and miss but absolutely trainwreck horror show!!!

It is even worse than it appears. One of his two films where he got a writing credit to get a Fresh Rating was Sherlock Holmes where he was one of like a dozen writers and the final script was re-written by Guy Ritchie anyways.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The only reasonable option is lose them. The studio is 0 for 3 on licensed films based on the First Family and hasn't made a dime on the franchise in over a decade. Their most recent effort was an abject embarrassment that Rupert Murdoch blamed for disappointing results at his studio. If we hear anything next year it will have to do with rights reversion.

Yeah, keeping them is way too expensive. They lost nearly $100 million on the last disaster and the contract requires that they put one out every few years. If they want to throw hundreds of millions of dollars away just to keep the license away from Marvel out of spite, they are free to do that. But it would be a horrendous business decision.

 

[BeholdMe]

The possibility that Kinberg may be writing the next movie is terrifying. The problem with Apocalypse lies purely with the script. One can only hope that he gets a collaborator like he did with DOFP (although Goldman was credited for story only) or a director that can rein him in.

I agree I truly don't understand why they continue to use him over again. The script in most parts of the movie were just so bad. Since Singer is supposedly taking a break they need to let go of Kinberg he is holding the franchise back from greatness.

 

[DavidHaller]

I really like X-Men: Apocalypse but you know both DOFP and Apocalypse had the same inconsistencies and some good and some bad use of characters, there isn't much difference really in terms for writing and direction between the 2.

are you serious? you cannot see a difference in directing and writing between both movies??? Good that at least the critics can, right?!...But I guess you respond positvely to the fanservice the movie offers.

there is NO plot in "X-Men: Apocalypse", the characters behave without motivation, the action is badly directed, the social commentary is non-existent, it is racist towards women of color, most scenes are fanservice without any purpose for the wider context of the story, emotions feel melodramatic and the entire ending is a pointless farce. Every scene in 'Days of Future Past' has a purpose. The character-motivations are clear and the emotional weigth the characters experience is beautifully explained. The action is never for action's sake and super imaginative. In a nutshell: 'X-Men: Apocalypse' is an embarassment, "Days of Future Past" is one of the top 3 comic book movies in recent history!

I disagree I've heard more positivity from QS scene that negativity so I think people cared, you just frankly didn't. I understand you didn't like the movie but sometimes it seems like your really reaching. DOFP yes was mostly visually stunning I agree but the others no especially not that elevator scene with Storm it was cringeworthy.

they ripped off their own scene from a previous movie entirely. This is my problem with it. They did not even tri to do something else and to push the envelope. the scene is totally stale, redundant and thus boring. The ridiculous tone of this scene is also completely inappropriate and throws you emotionally completely out of the movie. It feels way too artificial and the scene is amateurishly placed in the wider context of the movie. It maybe works as an internet clip but not as a movie scene.

 

[GuestStar2004]

are you serious? you cannot see a difference in directing and writing between both movies??? Good that at least the critics can, right?!...But I guess you respond positvely to the fanservice the movie offers.

there is NO plot in "X-Men: Apocalypse", the characters behave without motivation, the action is badly directed, the social commentary is non-existent, it is racist towards women of color, most scenes are fanservice without any purpose for the wider context of the story, emotions feel melodramatic and the entire ending is a pointless farce. Every scene in 'Days of Future Past' has a purpose. The character-motivations are clear and the emotional weigth the characters experience is beautifully explained. The action is never for action's sake and super imaginative. In a nutshell: 'X-Men: Apocalypse' is an embarassment, "Days of Future Past" is one of the top 3 comic book movies in recent history!

The writing and directing isn't much different, its just perhaps more focus went on lesser things in DOFP while apocalypse was trying to do abit of everything.

I mean i like DOFP also but the more you think about it the more you realise quite a few things happen because it has too for the sake of the plot and its very easy to question why they were even there or why they were still there.

Aswell as alot of unanswered questions that were skipped over which could be considered lazy if you want.

Characters that were wasted and were just there for a little bit of minor action

There isn't much action apart from the characters dying, thats not action for the sake of action, blink was just delaying them with portals if you wanna count her as creative action.

they ripped off their own scene from a previous movie entirely. This is my problem with it. They did not even tri to do something else and to push the envelope. the scene is totally stale, redundant and thus boring. The ridiculous tone of this scene is also completely inappropriate and throws you emotionally completely out of the movie. It feels way too artificial and the scene is amateurishly placed in the wider context of the movie. It maybe works as an internet clip but not as a movie scene.

I think its fair to say they were very proud of the success of the DOFP quicksilver sequence and they wanted to do it again but top the last one and the most part it worked, audiences loved the sequence.

was it unimaginative? it very imaginative, it just wasn't something you personally wanted to see a repeat of

 

[NotNickFury]

Well, if Kinberg is indeed writing the next main X-Men film, that won't be good, if Fantastic Four is any indication.

 

[Smilodon]

Hopefully they're looking at a new director to come in and bring their own writers along (or he's writing alongside the new director if they're writer-directors and they already have one.). Kinberg solo isn't good at all.

 

[Tymminator]

they ripped off their own scene from a previous movie entirely. This is my problem with it. They did not even tri to do something else and to push the envelope. the scene is totally stale, redundant and thus boring. The ridiculous tone of this scene is also completely inappropriate and throws you emotionally completely out of the movie. It feels way too artificial and the scene is amateurishly placed in the wider context of the movie. It maybe works as an internet clip but not as a movie scene.

I think the X-M:A QS scene was fine but to be fair, they didn't rip off themselves as they were not the originators of that concept. "Over the Hedge" back in 1996 actually did the scene that obviously inspired the DoFP shot. (I want to say I may have seen the concept before Over the Hedge" but I can't remember exactly)

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well, if Kinberg is indeed writing the next main X-Men film, that won't be good, if Fantastic Four is any indication.

Fantastic four really isn't a good enough indication because that film was a mess in the making as that film had 2 directors, Josh Trank and FOX who both wanted different things so to what point tranks vision stopped and the changes or reshoots began with FOX who knows but there was probably very little hope for that movie anyway.

So overall i think for F4 all we can base it on is what tranks original script would have been rather then the rushed scripted reshoots during production.

 

[DavidHaller]

X-Men: Apocalypse

Fantastic Four

Ouija

This Means War

Jumper

X-Men: The Last Stand

xXx: State of the Union

Mr. & Mrs. Smith


ok?! Can we now please stop being delusional here?! Kinberg is a HUGE catastrophe as a screenwriter! HIS WORK AS A WRITER IS 100 PERCENT UTTERLY EMPTY MAINSTREAM GARBAGE! There is NO artistry in his writing and if there is no savvy director around in the future this franchise is official over!

 

[YoungBlood]

Over-dramatic 101 much?

I actually liked Jumper and Mr. and Mrs. Smith btw.

Now I will agree that Kinberg is not a great writer and that either he needs other people to help him out or just stick to producing and leave the writing credits to someone else, but I don't think hat we should be acting like this is an end-of-the-world scenario.
It's just a red flag that hopefully will be dealt with before actual writing begins.

 

[Sithborg]

I liked Ouija and Mr and Mrs Smith. And placing X3 and FF solely on his shoulders is no where near the truth.

 

[DACrowe]

So, I just read that Simon Kinberg is planning to write what is essentially X-Men 7.

Granted, this could change and Fox could see the light and bring someone onboard between now and (presumably) 2017 to do a page 1 rewrite, but that feels not very likely. I was acting on the hope (and faith) Fox and Kinberg would look at the critical reception and box office numbers of Apocalypse, and decide to bring in some fresh blood for at least directing and script writing.

All of a sudden, I have grown pessimistic in a minute over the franchise's future. Kinberg is a good producer but a lousy writer. His only good script has been DOFP and that was structured for him in terms of plotting and emotional beats by Jane Goldman and Matthew Vaughn. Who also are apparently not coming back to at least hammer out a script.

I am kind of shocked Fox is not course correcting. I feel faintly depressed about this.

 

[Zarex]

So, I just read that Simon Kinberg is planning to write what is essentially X-Men 7.

A little over a month ago Simon said that the FF were a big part of FOX's plan going forward. I dont think his plans and the studio's plans are in synch.

 

[Smilodon]

DA, you might be jumping the gun there a bit. Pretty sure any director who does come along and enter will have their hands on the script as well and Kinberg could just be throwing things up in terms of where to go. Wouldn't get so doom and gloom yet.

 

[2kt09]

It's pretty damn doom & gloom when you can tell the difference in writers within the recent F4 reboot. I legit have no idea how he managed to pull off DOFP's exchanges.
The only other movie outside of cbm's, I've seen & enjoyed with his screenplay was Jumper, but that was ages ago and it wasn't very substantial of a script. RT's summary on Mr & Mrs Smith was that the performances made up for the script, and I'd like to see how much I align with that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The story needs to be written first before they start work on the actual script so chances are the story concept is being written first.

 

[DACrowe]

It's pretty damn doom & gloom when you can tell the difference in writers within the recent F4 reboot. I legit have no idea how he managed to pull off DOFP's exchanges.
The only other movie outside of cbm's, I've seen & enjoyed with his screenplay was Jumper, but that was ages ago and it wasn't very substantial of a script. RT's summary on Mr & Mrs Smith was that the performances made up for the script, and I'd like to see how much I align with that.

Days of Future Past is based on an amazing Marvel comic book that was restructured within the movie universe by two very gifted writers (Goldman and Vaughn). Kinberg filled in the dialogue, but his greatest plot contribution (going on an adventure to find Rogue) got cut. That says a lot.

Most of the other changes, like the appearance of the Sentinels (originally they were going to be human sized and blue as per Vaughn's idea) and the inclusion of Quicksilver, came about from Singer's involvement or even Millar recommending the idea to Singer.