Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[psylockolussus]

Made for fans? Clearly fans wanted Mystique to lead the X-Men and have Storm/Psylocke/Angel as villains with almost zero character development. And have a Beast that walks around in human form for 2/3 of the film? Yeah "made for the fans".

 

[xmanzo]

Im a fan of the movies...what singer did with the movies is his version of the xmen.maybe if singer is a comic book writer his xmen will be considered alternate version
much better than what marvel are doing right now with the comic franchise...

 

[psylockolussus]

What kind of filmmaker makes a movie that have a mindset of "oh we are gonna make a movie for the fans, not the critics..." then feature the characters from the source material then portray them so differently from the source material.... Okay nevermind staying true to the comics, but how about they just make a movie that everybody will enjoy? This "they didn't make the movie for critics, they made it for the fans" sounds like a silly excuse. I know fans of the X-Men comics or just X-Men in general who dislike this film.

 

[Storm22]

Beast was in human form for the majority of the last 2 movies also psylockolussus. Also there have been characters in every X-Men movie that have had little development, that's hardly something new and exclusive to Apocalypse. And if you're going to use that argument then I point to X3 as case in point - a movie that you admittedly prefer over Apocalypse! Angel and Psylocke were secondary characters to the likes of Xavier, Magneto etc. - they were hardly going to be fully developped in one movie. This movie introduced certain characters and set their development up for future movies. Also Mystique leading the X-Men/being a hero rather than a villain, is a natural progression of her story arc, again from the previous movie(s), in this new timeline. Apocalypse was essentially a conclusion to Xavier, Magneto and Mystique's, already established, character arcs.

 

[psylockolussus]

Beast was in human form for the majority of the last 2 movies also psylockolussus.

Yeah we needed more of that. And had they moved on from this conflict with Mystique/Magneto and actually focused on "X-Men", I don't know if we would have heard more of this "been there, done that". Thing is the creative team has this fascination over Magneto and Mystique, that forced Apocalypse to be a conclusion for this FC trifecta then you have characters from the comics who are actually X-Men for most of their comic history only to be sidelined in the movie and appear as silent henchmen. Then there's Jubilee...

 

[xmanzo]

we will never get a perfect x men movie i know...

 

[DavidHaller]

failed (!) fanservice really helped to drag this movie even more down. Singer should have stayed true to his style and in his comfort zone.

But the biggest shortcomings are rooted in a bad, uninspired script and the wish to round off five movies/two trilogies with one movie! This produced too many redundancies:
Seeing AGAIN Weapon X and Striker was completely pointless and felt extremely redundant, same with Quicksilver's copy paste scene, Jean's short Phoenix moment, Magneto's struggle to be good etc. etc. etc. we have seen all of it already but Singer clearly tried to round off all these previous moments to produce a cohesive whole.

but one final tip for this annoying fanboy in here: Instead of concentrating on characters who are CLEARLY minor characters it helps to have a closer look at the characters Singer actually intended to develop in his movie! Jean Grey, Xavier, Cyclops, Mystique and Magneto were handled beautifully! So stop complaining about unimportant side notes like Psylocke and Jubilee....BLA! I am also mad how they could sideline Storm so horribly again although there was so much potential to make her interesting in X-Men: Apocalpyse. But in the end there are so many other characters looking for attention...

 

[Storm22]

Poor Jubilee has been shafted in every X-Men movie bless. It would have been nice to at least finally see a power display from her, I'll admit. It's a minor issue though.

 

[DavidHaller]

let's be honest, not even comic fans care about Jubilee...she is not even relevant in the comic books for years and years...

Storm on the other hand...that's just sad and this lack of interest in her obviously relates to her skin color and gender! I found Singer's treatment of the charactrer disgusting actually. Giving her two or three more dialogue and some insight into the character wouldn't have bothered anybody. Storm was a very present character in the first trilogy. Why does he pay her dust?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

let's be honest, not even comic fans care about Jubilee...she is not even relevant in the comic books for years and years...

Storm on the other hand...that's just sad and this lack of interest in her obviously relates to her skin color and gender! I found Singer's treatment of the charactrer disgusting actually. Giving her two or three more dialogue and some insight into the character wouldn't have bothered anybody. Storm was a very present character in the first trilogy. Why does he pay her dust?

that's complete bs.. she's one of, if not the top most recognizable female hero Marvel has... Singer and FOX in general clearly just do not seem to fully grasp the character

 

[psylockolussus]

let's be honest, not even comic fans care about Jubilee...she is not even relevant in the comic books for years and years...

X-Men: Curse of the Mutants
X-Men vol. 4 (all women-team)
I think she even had a mini-series with Wolverine.

And all of those came out around this decade.

 

[intensity]

let's be honest, not even comic fans care about Jubilee...she is not even relevant in the comic books for years and years...

Storm on the other hand...that's just sad and this lack of interest in her obviously relates to her skin color and gender! I found Singer's treatment of the charactrer disgusting actually. Giving her two or three more dialogue and some insight into the character wouldn't have bothered anybody. Storm was a very present character in the first trilogy. Why does he pay her dust?

What the heck?! Then how come Jubilee currently is a main character in X-Men '92, was just stated to be a player in X-Men vs Inhumans later this year, and makes guest appearances currently in titles all around the marvel universe like: old man Logan, a-Force, squirrel girl... And is joining Hellcat's solo title in October as the solicits say, "everyone's favorite teenage mutant vampire..."? She's not just relegated to X-Men titles... She gets appearances in other titles, action figures, t-shirts, collectible pins/statues/etc... All in the past few years.
During last year's secret wars event... There were at least three different versions of Jubilee running around. During Age of X a few years ago, there was a present version as well as a future version of Jubes... The future one was the leader of the X-Men... Both got heavy focus.
I don't see how that makes her not relevant.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

wait wait wait.. Jubilee is STILL a teenager? I would have thought she would have been aged to 21ish by now... especially with all the new teen mutants over the last decade

 

[GuestStar2004]

How X-Men Apocalypse Should Have Ended

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b47lvO4N-7A

 

[Storm22]

Haha

 

[DavidHaller]

that's complete bs.. she's one of, if not the top most recognizable female hero Marvel has... Singer and FOX in general clearly just do not seem to fully grasp the character

Of course she is! So it is even more random/disturbing that she is completely pushed to the sideline of this movie universe.

I am just saying that it is not a coincidence that all non-white female characters are silenced in "X-Men:Apocalypse"! These white men are not fully grasping Storm's importance for the X-Men series because she is black and a woman. Call it racism or lazy identification pattern...hollywood movie formula: one woman in a see of white penises.

 

[Mad Ones]

I wish Jubilee wasn't a vampire.

 

[DavidHaller]

What the heck?! Then how come Jubilee currently is a main character in X-Men '92, was just stated to be a player in X-Men vs Inhumans later this year, and makes guest appearances currently in titles all around the marvel universe like: old man Logan, a-Force, squirrel girl... And is joining Hellcat's solo title in October as the solicits say, "everyone's favorite teenage mutant vampire..."? She's not just relegated to X-Men titles... She gets appearances in other titles, action figures, t-shirts, collectible pins/statues/etc... All in the past few years.
During last year's secret wars event... There were at least three different versions of Jubilee running around. During Age of X a few years ago, there was a present version as well as a future version of Jubes... The future one was the leader of the X-Men... Both got heavy focus.
I don't see how that makes her not relevant.

Guest appearance in a Hellcat series? seriously? Let's better agree to disagree. You are reaching here...sorry, nobody uses or cares for Jubilee since the 1990s. Some guest appearance are not a fully developed character arc (Is Chamber relevant also?)...Jubilee only relates to some 90s nostalgia. She is deader than Jean Grey for years...I'm not even hating on her but there is NO relevance for her in any main X-Men books. The vampire story ruined her character for years. No author will touch on that convoluted non-sense again.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just posted comic-books where she had a role. Deader than Jean Grey for years? Someone needs to catch up on the comics.

What the heck?! Then how come Jubilee currently is a main character in X-Men '92, was just stated to be a player in X-Men vs Inhumans later this year, and makes guest appearances currently in titles all around the marvel universe like: old man Logan, a-Force, squirrel girl... And is joining Hellcat's solo title in October as the solicits say, "everyone's favorite teenage mutant vampire..."? She's not just relegated to X-Men titles... She gets appearances in other titles, action figures, t-shirts, collectible pins/statues/etc... All in the past few years.
During last year's secret wars event... There were at least three different versions of Jubilee running around. During Age of X a few years ago, there was a present version as well as a future version of Jubes... The future one was the leader of the X-Men... Both got heavy focus.
I don't see how that makes her not relevant.

Yeah she was pretty noticeable in Battle of the Atom.

 

[DavidHaller]

Deader than Jean Grey for years? Someone needs to catch up on the comics.

Bendis teenage Jean Grey is NOT Jean Grey. that's blasquemy.

 

[RalphieRandy]

I just posted comic-books where she had a role. Deader than Jean Grey for years? Someone needs to catch up on the comics.



Yeah she was pretty noticeable in Battle of the Atom.

You're always so negative. Tell me, do you scold the sun on a sunny day?

 

[psylockolussus]

Bendis teenage Jean Grey is NOT Jean Grey. that's blasquemy.

Did I say the teen Jean wasn't Jean Grey and you're the one that called Jean dead in the first place, not me. Though technically she is (the older one). But yeah Jubilee has been more active in the comic-books especially compare to the 2000s. So deader than Jean is inaccurate.

 

[DavidHaller]

Did I say the teen Jean wasn't Jean Grey and you're the one that called Jean dead in the first place, not me. Though technically she is (the older one). But yeah Jubilee has been more active in the comic-books especially compare to the 2000s. So deader than Jean is inaccurate.

I did not mean that she is literally dead. She is without any importance for the franchise since the 90s. But if Jubilee is a vampire now, being dead should actually be part of her nature.

Jubilee is active? She is a wallpaper-character in Marvel comics. Used simply to evoke some 90s fanboy nostalgia but without any meaningful character story (besides a brief forgetable plot in Brian Wood's X-Men in 2013 and turning her into a vampire. How ****ing lame is that? If you really has NO idea what to do with a character as a writer you probably turn the character into a vampire...).

 

[Ryan1210]

We'll see more of Jubilee (and this cast) next movie, I believe

 

[Sithborg]

Wood didn't turn her into a vampire, though he didn't change her back when he used her in his X-men book. I kind of like how he was using her in that book, though.