Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[X-Maniac]

Actually people do care about Rotten Tomatoes and that site has been around for 10 years now and is quite popular with movie buffs. Fanboys care about Rotten Tomatoes and that is why Rotten Tomatoes threads are usually the longest threads in SHH. You search a film on google, you'll see the RT rating. It is always mentioned in Wikipedia film articles. Even studios brag when their movie gets a certified fresh rating from RT and includes it in the banner of their social media account. What critics also say about a movie reflects on the quality of the film. So its not as irrelevant as you think it is especially in the movie industry especially when critics could make or break a movie.

You're mentioning 'movie buffs' and 'fanboys' and 'studios'.

I'm talking about ordinary people.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

what is "ordinary people" id wager anyone who frequents social media or uses an app like Flixter uses rotten tomatoes... I mean if you're just a casual internet user.. fine.. but that's pretty much people 40+ 40 and under .... all are probably quite ordinary, use social media alot .. and probably check out RT on occasion in one form or another.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah checking reviews isnt a hardcore thing. People easily get that info via newsfeeds on Facebook without searching them out. All RT does is compile all that into an average score. When you search google for a film to check out listings in your area, the RT sore pops up. on the screen, which may or may not prompt a person to check out whats wrong with it, if its low. Im far from a movie buff and consider myself one of those "ordinary people" and Im bombarded with movie criticism without seeking it out. Im skipping out on Suicide Squad bc it apparently sucks and thats bc that news is making the rounds across the net and tv as it approaches release

 

[DavidHaller]

what is "ordinary people" id wager anyone who frequents social media or uses an app like Flixter uses rotten tomatoes... I mean if you're just a casual internet user.. fine.. but that's pretty much people 40+ 40 and under .... all are probably quite ordinary, use social media alot .. and probably check out RT on occasion in one form or another.

I also think people underestimate how powerful rottentomatoes actually is. Sure, some franchises are more influenced by critical reception than others. Obviously nobody cares about critical opinions when it comes to Transformers or Batman vs. Superman. People go and see these movies anyways.

X-Men on the other hand surely developed a large fanbase who is interested to see a less offensive comic book franchise with a political commentary and is maybe eager to find out what critics have to say.

We need a "What If"-universe to find out what would have happened with X-Men Apcoalypse if it wouldn't have been trashed by the critics so harshly and if it wouldn't have been released internatioanlly weeks before US release.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I also think people actually underestimate how powerful rottentomatoes actually is. Sure, some franchises are more influenced by critical reception than others. Obviously nobody cares about critical opinions when it comes to Transformers or Batman vs. Superman. People go and see these movies anyways.

X-Men on the other hand surely developed a large fanbase who is interested to see a less offensive comic book franchise with a political commentary and is maybe eager to find out what critics have to say.

We need a "What If"-universe to find out what would have happened with X-Men Apcoalypse if it wouldn't have been trashed by the critics so harshly and if it wouldn't have been released internatioanlly weeks before US release.

you might of had a higher box office.. but fan reviews would be the same.. and there weren't a whole lot of people praising this film... it wasn't an awful film by any means.. but not one that changed the game, or in the grand scheme of things deemed "noteworthy" unlike X2

 

[superweirdo87]

Research findings and statistical analyses can bear on that.

Metacritic found that reviews are associated with box office, especially multipliers/legs or how a movie holds after opening weekend.

This analysis from someone in the University of California Berkeley Statistics Department found that movies are influenced by reviews and the effect is on legs/multiplier.

If you look at the franchise, legs do seem associated with box office.

X1/ 64 Metacritic/3
X2/ 68 Metacritic/2.52
X3/ 58 Metacritic/2.28
First Class/65 Metacritic/2.66
Days of Future Past/74 Metacritic/2.57
Apocalypse/52 Metacritic/2.36

XMA would have had a similar opening weekend but legs for a 2.5-ish multiplier with better reviewers.

 

[superweirdo87]

Ordinary people know about rotten tomatoes and it can influence them. As noted, statistical analyses find that reviews influence multipliers/legs.

The direct correlation between aggregated reviews and attendance is only 30%, said Kevin Goetz, president of research firm Screen Engine. However, two-thirds of avid moviegoers, who often are particularly influential among their peers, are aware of Rotten Tomatoes scores, compared with one-third of casual moviegoers

Anecdotally, I was talking to my coworker about Suicide Squad and she did not see Jurassic World, Star Wars, and other big movies. I mentioned how cool the trailers looked, and she said the reviews were really, really bad. So, folks out there do know and it influences some of them a bit.

 

[superweirdo87]

Stories and concepts drive box office, not marquee movie star names.

Leonardo DiCaprio and Denzel Washington make a huge difference. Some other stars can boost OW to varying degrees.

But, few movies that audiences would not want to see would succeed with a marquee name. Some would, like comedies with Melissa McCarthy and DiCaprio's stuff. In the end, the movie is the star.

http://deadline.com/2012/12/movie-profit-research-stars-directors-scripts-387497/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/media/28cast.html?_r=0

 

[Smilodon]

it breaks my heart a little bit that they haven't announced the next movie yet. Especially now that we have finally a great new proper X-Men team on our hands with Nightcrawler, Jean, Cyclops, Quicksilver, & Storm. I wished they would concentrate mainly on these characters (+ maybe re-cast and add Wolverine) and move quickly forward!

Deadpool and Wolverine are just not my cup of tea...

Why would they announce something when they're not ready? They probably don't even have a director signed on yet or Singer's is trying to find a replacement. Or trying to work out scheduling between people like Sophie or Evan or Tye or Jennifer. Better to just wait until they have all their ducks in line to announce something instead of trying to make ambitious release dates.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah imo there's very few actors these days that actually drive a box office crowd... I also feel like Jlaw's drive is a bit miss-judged. especially when her only films with a very high crowd were the Hunger Games (and it's last film made the lowest of the 4 films)

There's just far more actors today then there were even in the 90s... so i don't think the fanbases are nearly as big as they use to be. far more people to go around.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why would they announce something when they're not ready? They probably don't even have a director signed on yet or Singer's is trying to find a replacement. Or trying to work out scheduling between people like Sophie or Evan or Tye or Jennifer. Better to just wait until they have all their ducks in line to announce something instead of trying to make ambitious release dates.

studios typically announce sequels pretty quick.. usually when not ready.. long before directors and writers are even picked. its pretty common

 

[Smilodon]

studios typically announce sequels pretty quick.. usually when not ready.. long before directors and writers are even picked. its pretty common

Oh yeah, for sure. I was just saying given the behavior of this franchise as of late, they don't seem to be in a particularly big rush to make definitive statements about future projects besides "it'll happen". Apocalypse was announced before DOFP was even out, but that came from Singer. Even Deadpool was just "we're gonna make a second one" and then they got into negotiations with the creative team - but there hasn't been anything really definitive since then. So I feel like if we're not getting anything right now, it's probably just because they don't have anything concrete yet.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh yeah, for sure. I was just saying given the behavior of this franchise as of late, they don't seem to be in a particularly big rush to make definitive statements about future projects besides "it'll happen". Apocalypse was announced before DOFP was even out, but that came from Singer. Even Deadpool was just "we're gonna make a second one" and then they got into negotiations with the creative team - but there hasn't been anything really definitive since then. So I feel like if we're not getting anything right now, it's probably just because they don't have anything concrete yet.

successful films get sequels right away.. this to me means FOX doesn't really feel super confident in an X-men sequel just yet... and are re-thinking some thoughts on how they would (or if) they would tackle the next one

 

[GuestStar2004]

Thing is FOX already have new mutants and gambit on their to do list right now and neither are in production yet and who knows when they will be so them not screaming about an X-Men sequel doesn't mean much at all right now.

Its like with new mutants how does that fit in with further x-men movies? are they gonna have mcavoy and shipp in that and is it gonna be set between apocalypse and the next x-men movie? i guess these sort of things need to be worked out like if they want the movies released in a certain order ect ect

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Thing is FOX already have new mutants and gambit on their to do list right now and neither are in production yet and who knows when they will be so them not screaming about an X-Men sequel doesn't mean much at all right now.

Its like with new mutants how does that fit in with further x-men movies? are they gonna have mcavoy and shipp in that and is it gonna be set between apocalypse and the next x-men movie? i guess these sort of things need to be worked out like if they want the movies released in a certain order ect ect

sorry i still don't think that's an excuse.. just because there's DP2/New Mutants/X-force/Gambit (all which we haven't heard zilch about in months i might add) doesn't mean they can't or wouldn't greenlight an X-men sequel.

 

[GuestStar2004]

sorry i still don't think that's an excuse.. just because there's DP2/New Mutants/X-force/Gambit (all which we haven't heard zilch about in months i might add) doesn't mean they can't or wouldn't greenlight an X-men sequel.

How would they green light it though by telling us a release date or telling us what they have planned? or just by saying its happening? either way they have other projects to think about too like if new mutants is set in the 80s then i imagine they want that out before the next X-Men movie anyway.

I wonder if new mutants even has a release date tbh.

 

[X-Maniac]

sorry i still don't think that's an excuse.. just because there's DP2/New Mutants/X-force/Gambit (all which we haven't heard zilch about in months i might add) doesn't mean they can't or wouldn't greenlight an X-men sequel.

There's a lot of focus (by some of the X-Men creative team) on the Legion TV series right now.

But there are also those as-yet-unnamed Fox/Marvel projects in the 2017 calendar (one in October) and 2018 calendar (one in March and one in late June).

If Deadpool is coming out in January 2018 - and it's not on the Box Office Mojo calendar yet for that date - it suggests several other superhero projects are in the pipeline.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How would they green light it though by telling us a release date or telling us what they have planned? or just by saying its happening? either way they have other projects to think about too like if new mutants is set in the 80s then i imagine they want that out before the next X-Men movie anyway.

I wonder if new mutants even has a release date tbh.

again... like every other sequel of a big franchise.. this shouldn't be an alien concept... look at Star Trek 4.. it got announced before 3 came out and they didn't list a date for it

this is a very very common practice.. even before a date is announced.. im not sure why this is confusing

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's a lot of focus (by some of the X-Men creative team) on the Legion TV series right now.

But there are also those as-yet-unnamed Fox/Marvel projects in the 2017 calendar (one in October) and 2018 calendar (one in March and one in late June).

If Deadpool is coming out in January 2018 - and it's not on the Box Office Mojo calendar yet for that date - it suggests several other superhero projects are in the pipeline.

the point is that its very odd there's no official word on a sequel in the not to distant future utilizing the new cast. that's all they have to say, they don't have to give a title, or a date.

 

[Storm22]

Going forward I'd like to see New Mutants next, but also featuring the young cast (Jean, Cyclops, Storm & Nightcrawler) introduced in Apocalypse, to some degree. Leave Magneto, Mystique, Beast and Wolverine out for now. McAvoy could feature briefly as Xavier again, with a new villain - ideally Sinister.

 

[GuestStar2004]

again... like every other sequel of a big franchise.. this shouldn't be an alien concept... look at Star Trek 4.. it got announced before 3 came out and they didn't list a date for it

So did Fan4stic 2 which actually got a release date and then things got shuffled around which is pretty common for FOX.

 

[X-Maniac]

the point is that its very odd there's no official word on a sequel in the not to distant future utilizing the new cast. that's all they have to say, they don't have to give a title, or a date.

Well, Fox never had ANYTHING new to announce at Comic Con, nor even any updates on things we know for a fact are coming (Wolverine 3). The only thing they did was promote X-Men: Apocalypse DVD/Blu-ray.

The Legion trailer came out at Comic Con but was unveiled by Marvel, even though some of the Fox X-Men 'team' are working on it.

Fox has never been a studio to publicly announce its slate of intended movies so that fanboy blog sites can chew over them. They've even distanced themselves from Comic Con.

Maybe further news will come after the DVD/Blu-ray hits and brings in more cash?

 

[GuestStar2004]

they don't have to give a title, or a date.

I very much doubt they know what they are doing with the next movie, will they decide to do a new version of the phoenix saga? are they gonna do X-Men in space? would they have the guts to do that? do they want a smaller story to set it up? do they wanna jump right into it? do they wanna do another comic storyline?

i am pretty certain announcing apocalypse was an easier decision because apocalypse has likely been sat on the shelve ready to be potentially used for years now while now who knows what they will delve into.

and its likely gonna be a the producers deciding the story and not a new director so there ya go.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So did Fan4stic 2 which actually got a release date and then things got shuffled around which is pretty common for FOX.

as i said, its pretty common. but no sequel for the core x-team has been mentioned at all.. which to me says FOX is rethinking what to do next with them. there's an obvious lack of confidence. If the film was a huge hit.. they would have outright talked about a sequel. so there's a valid reason for worry in that they haven't.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, Fox never had ANYTHING new to announce at Comic Con, nor even any updates on things we know for a fact are coming (Wolverine 3). The only thing they did was promote X-Men: Apocalypse DVD/Blu-ray.

The Legion trailer came out at Comic Con but was unveiled by Marvel, even though some of the Fox X-Men 'team' are working on it.

Fox has never been a studio to publicly announce its slate of intended movies so that fanboy blog sites can chew over them. They've even distanced themselves from Comic Con.

Maybe further news will come after the DVD/Blu-ray hits and brings in more cash?

... we knew about all the other sequels... X2/X3/Origins/DOFP/Apocalypse ahead of time.. this shouldn't be any different.