Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[ehh]

The amazing spider-man 2 being considered a financial flop is when you know its not the film thats a flop its the studio, i mean 700 mil? when thats considered bad you know something is wrong with the world but hey sony put all their eggs into one basket and apparently had to make a billion to really profit which is ridiculous.

No film should be made to have to make a billion, they are just hurting themselves with that quite obvious risk.

The production budget for TASM2 is reported to be between $200-293 million. And then the marketing budget is reported to be $180–190 million.

So this film could have cost up to $483M. That means it couldn't have earned more than $226M, and then you have to take other things into account: taxes, movie theaters getting their cut, and other unreported costs. And let's not forget that Sony no longer owns the merchandising rights to Spider-Man since they sold them back to Disney/Marvel. That's a huge loss.

A Hollywood film's true financial success has so much more to do with the budget than it does box office.

 

[Stan Lee]

I think remembering Jean and Xavier's story in The Last Stand makes this movie stronger. As much of this movie was a big payoff to it and Xavier's arc from the last movie.

https://creators.co/posts/4145770

XM: DOFP and XM:A is like a two parter that bring closure to the original trilogy.

The main problem is that FOX took too long to make this movie.

EDIT:

Did anyone realize that Logan now has an actually reason to love Jean unlike the original trilogy?

 

[Weather Witch]

I think remembering Jean and Xavier's story in The Last Stand makes this movie stronger. As much of this movie was a big payoff to it and Xavier's arc from the last movie.

https://creators.co/posts/4145770

XM: DOFP and XM:A like a two parters that bring closure to the original trilogy.

The main problem is that FOX took too long to make this movie.

I agree with all of the above.

 

[ImSGirl95]

That is the future of the series in a nutshell with this younger cast.

Heck, if it wasn't for China, it wouldn't outgrows X3 worldwide.

Pretty much, yeah.
Those are some terrible numbers. And it's 2016. With all the 3Ds and IMAXs, and China, and whatnot.

 

[psylockolussus]

This franchise just cannot rely on the talent and star power of the younger cast, McAvoy, Lawrence and Fassbender. I am sad how this movie couldn't keep the goodwill from Deadpool and X-Men Days. At least with X3, people still showed up. Here, a massive drop in audience.

 

[GuestStar2004]

At least with X3, people still showed up.

Different time, that was back in 2006 when comic book movies were not flooding the market as they are today, we been through the dark knight phase and the avengers phase since then, DC are currently working on their stuff at a more quicker and confident pace than back in 2006 and marvel studios are now producing 2 movies a year with Sony being on their 3rd spidey reboot.

 

[Stan Lee]

Pretty much, yeah.
Those are some terrible numbers. And it's 2016. With all the 3Ds and IMAXs, and China, and whatnot.

I remember reading it wasn't in IMAX.

https://jackrollreviews.wordpress.c...that-are-not-releasing-in-imax-but-should-be/

 

[henzINNIT]

I think remembering Jean and Xavier's story in The Last Stand makes this movie stronger. As much of this movie was a big payoff to it and Xavier's arc from the last movie.

Very true. I plan to make a fan-edit of X3 that incorporates the Jean/Xavier material from Apocalypse as flashback material.

 

[psylockolussus]

I remember reading it wasn't in IMAX.

https://jackrollreviews.wordpress.c...that-are-not-releasing-in-imax-but-should-be/

Worldwide, it was.

It is also released in premium theaters with screens bigger than the usual cinemas, which means bigger ticket prices.

 

[SAUspartan]

Apocalypse made money. But i see haters here still want to complain.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Apocalypse made money. But i see haters here still want to complain.

It also underperformed a lot. Now the future of the main x-men franchise is uncertain.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Apocalypse made money. But i see haters here still want to complain.

Well, yeah, it made money. And I remember someone on here said: "Don't worry guys. X-Men will again be in the top 10 grossing movies of the year, as always."
but not this year. Soon it won't be. Thanks to Doctor Strange, Rogue One and prodably Fantastic Beasts and who knows about Moana, that will make more money than XMA.
There is even some weird chinese movie called The Marmaid that made more than XMA...

I mean, yeah. The movie made some money. But what does that much of money means for the future? How will the next movie play out? How much will be budget be?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Now the future of the main x-men franchise is uncertain.

Probably not as much as you may think.

 

[Chesterfield]

Apocalypse made money. But i see haters here still want to complain.

Haters? Facts are being spoken. Apocalypse made Ant-Man numbers at the BO. Ant-Man! Meanwhile, Doctor Strange has already out grossed Apocalypse and is roughly tracking to finish around $700million.

Apocalypse' numbers is nothing to rejoice about at all. It's a disappointment.

 

[Stan Lee]

Haters? Facts are being spoken. Apocalypse made Ant-Man numbers at the BO. Ant-Man! Meanwhile, Doctor Strange has already out grossed Apocalypse and is roughly tracking to finish around $700million.

Apocalypse' numbers is nothing to rejoice about at all. It's a disappointment.

Expecting people to remember the previous X-films from over a decade ago would do that. Even Marvel Studios is expecting that to happen to them.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Haters? Facts are being spoken. Apocalypse made Ant-Man numbers at the BO. Ant-Man! Meanwhile, Doctor Strange has already out grossed Apocalypse and is roughly tracking to finish around $700million.

Apocalypse' numbers is nothing to rejoice about at all. It's a disappointment.

Yeah, exactly. I think there is a no win situation for the X-Men movies. They can't always recast ... but being stucked in the past, isn't helping them either, from one side. And as I said it, always recast doesn't help them, from the other side.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think being in the past effects anything at all if honest, Origins was leaked weeks earlier and was set in the past and did much better then present days The Wolverine which only technically made more because of the 3D ticket adjustments but if you do the maths in inflation it actually didn't even do aswell as FC.

Its easy to look at something like deadpool and say well that film made this much money because it was in present day... no you could have set that any time and people would still have seen it.

 

[BeholdMe]

This franchise just cannot rely on the talent and star power of the younger cast, McAvoy, Lawrence and Fassbender. I am sad how this movie couldn't keep the goodwill from Deadpool and X-Men Days. At least with X3, people still showed up. Here, a massive drop in audience.

This is just a complete lie, you really need to get past the OT cast and stop blaming the failure of this movie on them when in reality they were praised for what they did. Its just the few like you that just cant see past the OT and are utterly blind to not have noticed the many other problems this movie had going for it which has been said over again. No development for the Horseman, A very brief final battle, continuing to focus on the same few characters over and over, a movie that should have been grander but instead was very rushed,Raven not Mystique, the oversaturation of Magneto just to name my gripes with the movie. It was just a let down for me and it could've been so much better, the ball was indeed dropped. We need a fresh person on board with some new ideas because what they are doing just isnt working anymore.

 

[Stan Lee]

No development for the Horseman

That was kind of expected considering the original story didn't develop them that much either. The problem was that they supplanted fodders with popular characters.

continuing to focus on the same few characters over and over

Xavier, Mystique, and Magneto have only been focused on for three movies. The original films were about Wolverine and Rogue with those three as support characters. Xavier was always taken out of those movies somehow, Magneto was purely an antagonist, and Mystique was a mute henchman.

the oversaturation of Magneto just to name my gripes with the movie.

Given what was set-up in Days of Future Past it should be no other way.

DOFP and this film are about Xavier's friends turned enemy(Magneto, Mystique, Jean) going on a better path now that he has hope in them in this new timeline. So to not have Magneto, Mystique, and Jean spotlighted in this movie would have been poor storytelling.

 

[Frankeh]

Xavier, Mystique, and Magneto have only been focused on for three movies. The original films were about Wolverine and Rogue with those three as support characters.

While maybe not flat-out leads, Xavier and Magneto were a huge part of the first X-Men film. The movie starts with Magneto's origin. The movie ends with both of them. Safe to say they played bigger roles than Cyclops, Jean Grey and Storm. And in the second one, Xavier is the one who the main villain has a beef with. If they didnt intend on him being a big part they wouldn't have written the story that way. Also, after X1 Rogue took a backseat, in X3 she was pretty much a supporting character with a bad sidestory to boot.

Now in the FC franchise, Magneto, Mystique and Xavier are obviously their Luke, Han and Leia, albeit Magneto and Xavier are treated about equally as protagonists I think (except in DOFP), the point being no, they haven't just only started focusing on them now, and no, three movies is not a small amount when they have a good batch of A-List X-Men who haven't gotten the time of day, or have simply not been comic-accurate in 6 movies so far. And I don't think it's crazy to say that, Singer being an Xavier fan and Kinberg being a Magneto fan, they like the status quo just the way it is and wouldn't change it at all. And that's not how a franchise grows, nor what's best for X-Men with its amount of great characters.

 

[Stan Lee]

While maybe not flat-out leads, Xavier and Magneto were a huge part of the first X-Men film. The movie starts with Magneto's origin. The movie ends with both of them.

Well, Xavier is the founder & leader of the X-Men and Magneto was the villian of that movie.

Safe to say they played bigger roles than Cyclops, Jean Grey and Storm.

Xavier was taken out for a large part of the movie. While those three were active.

And in the second one, Xavier is the one who the main villain has a beef with. If they didnt intend on him being a big part they wouldn't have written the story that way.

They were just ripping off the plot to God Loves, Man Kills and Return To Weapon X. Both feature the villian trying to use Xavier's powers for their own gain. And it's still not a very active role.

Also, after X1 Rogue took a backseat

No, she was rolling alongside Logan, Iceman, and Pyro. Those characters had a much more active role in that movie than Xavier and I'm sure they got more screentime than him.

in X3 she was pretty much a supporting character with a bad sidestory to boot.

But even in that movie she was more active than Xavier, who was killed in the first act.

they have a good batch of A-List X-Men who haven't gotten the time of day, or have simply not been comic-accurate in 6 movies so far.

Not true for the case with Jean. Everything they did with her in this movie was straight from comic incarnations of her. Just read this post I made on it.

http://stay-tuned-true-believers.tu...cyclops-phoenixs-treatment-in-the-x-men-films

And I would say she was focused on enough in this movie.

And I don't think it's crazy to say that, Singer being an Xavier fan and Kinberg being a Magneto fan, they like the status quo just the way it is and wouldn't change it at all. And that's not how a franchise grows, nor what's best for X-Men with its amount of great characters.

Maybe Magneto fans, but Xavier? Nah.

 

[marvelrobbins]

StanLee I like all your points.you have even made me go back and look and your mostly right.

 

[Stan Lee]

So watching this today. Thank you Netflix. It is kind of awful. Trying to decide what is worst, this or The Last Stand. Not good.

Why would anyone think this was worse than The Last Stand? Everyone who has said that doesn't remember the events of The Last Stand.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Why would anyone think this was worse than The Last Stand? Everyone who has said that doesn't remember the events of The Last Stand.

for whatever their reasons it has become the thing to do online trash Apocalypse.considering apocalypse worse than last stand is pushing it In my oporion.yes calling origins worse than last stand is approate but apocalypse
Is stretching it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why would anyone think this was worse than The Last Stand? Everyone who has said that doesn't remember the events of The Last Stand.

Totally and utterly agreed. Apocalypse was a much better movie than the awful Last Stand.