Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[Ivan Drago]

Magneto's anger was justified in DOFP.

In Apocalypse it just felt forced and it's bs that he got away scot-free after killing millions.

 

[Flint Marko]

Maybe but it's not even the worst comicbook movie of the year.

It may not be the worst, but it's easily the most boring.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully Time Magazine woke up Fox by now from letting Kinberg write another film. But whatever, the damage is done. As someone who didn't like the film, it deserves all the criticism its gotten.

 

[Ivan Drago]

It may not be the worst, but it's easily the most boring.

BvS is more boring. Have you seen the UE version? It's a three hour slog of boredom.

 

[Flint Marko]

BvS is more boring. Have you seen the UE version? It's a three hour slog of boredom.

I'd honestly rather sit through that than Apocalypse. It's more of a disaster which automatically makes it more interesting.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Magneto's anger was justified in DOFP.

In Apocalypse it just felt forced and it's bs that he got away scot-free after killing millions.

Funny enough id say it was the complete opposite, he lost his wife and daughter by trying to do the right thing, he has full 100% reason to be pissed off, numb and uncaring, while with DOFP he really didn't, he was told a story about a future where mutants are hunted thats gonna happen in 30 years time.

The only reason it makes sense for magneto in DOFP is because its the way people know magneto to be, basically obsessing over mutant kind and anything thats not that is gonna be seen as odd for magneto.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Funny enough id say it was the complete opposite, he lost his wife and daughter by trying to do the right thing, he has full 100% reason to be pissed off, numb and uncaring, while with DOFP he really didn't, he was told a story about a future where mutants are hunted thats gonna happen in 30 years time.

The only reason it makes sense for magneto in DOFP is because its the way people know magneto to be, basically obsessing over mutant kind and anything thats not that is gonna be seen as odd for magneto.

The whole family thing was dumb though. Wrong direction to take the character.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It may not be the worst, but it's easily the most boring.

Then name it most boring. LOL Don't name it worst.

 

[Stan Lee]

Hopefully Time Magazine woke up Fox by now from letting Kinberg write another film. But whatever, the damage is done.

It had nothing to do with his writing. They listed it as number 1 because they thought big actors were wasted. Which is a pretty silly reason.

As someone who didn't like the film, it deserves all the criticism its gotten.

Even the fallacious ones? Like people forgetting how Cerebro works?

 

[Stan Lee]

I'd honestly rather sit through that than Apocalypse. It's more of a disaster which automatically makes it more interesting.

Don't you mean frustrating?

 

[marvelrobbins]

BvS is both a sneeze feast and a disaster. By sit through, I think you mean sleep though.

while apocalypse is no x2 or DOFP still my pick for favorate comic book film of
2016 and loads better than last stand.

saying it wasted actors is dumb reason to say it's worst film of 2016.

Surcide squad is worst comic book film of 2016.as for BVS i have it as fourth of year behind Apocalypse,Civil War,and deadpool.Have no plans to watch Dr strange.

 

[Flint Marko]

Don't you mean frustrating?

No, I'd rather watch a (slightly) interesting failure than a completely boring, uninspired misfire that does nothing interesting, new, or unexpected.

Let me restate that I don't think Apocalypse is worse than both DCEU efforts. I'm just explaining why I don't take issue with Time ranking it as such.

 

[Legion]

I'd honestly rather sit through that than Apocalypse. It's more of a disaster which automatically makes it more interesting.

No way lol. Besides all of it's issues Apocalypse is a pretty easy watch for me. I saw BvS in theaters once and I have no interest in ever watching it again. I almost didn't make it through the first viewing.

 

[Stan Lee]

No, I'd rather watch a (slightly) interesting failure than a completely boring, uninspired misfire that does nothing interesting, new, or unexpected.

Let me restate that I don't think Apocalypse is worse than both DCEU efforts. I'm just explaining why I don't take issue with Time ranking it as such.

That is the first time I have seen a status quo charging story not being called new.

 

[Stan Lee]

I don't recall Magneto killing millions in DOFP.

Xavier was also a murder in this movie after he blew up those submarines. And before you say anything, the only thing the corrupted Cerebro did was increase his power like in the previous movies.

That top-10 doesn't even list stuff like 50 Shades of Black, Allegiant, Gods of Egypt or Alice Through the Looking Glass.

Yeah, I'm surprised they left so much off that list.

 

[Flint Marko]

Xavier was also a murder in this movie after he blew up those submarines. And before you say anything, the only thing the corrupted Cerebro did was increase his power like in the previous movies.



Yeah, I'm surprised they left so much off that list.

Magneto killed millions. There's no comparison.

 

[TeeKay]

Didn't Singer come out and said no one died during Magnetos destruction scenes?

 

[Stan Lee]

Magneto killed millions. There's no comparison.

Doesn't matter if the body count is higher. Murder is murder. Chuck would be a hypocrite if he put Erik behind bars but not himself.

But either way both of them should not be held accountable since they were clearly not thinking straight. Like Bucky over at the MCU.

Didn't Singer come out and said no one died during Magnetos destruction scenes?

No.

 

[Flint Marko]

Doesn't matter if the body count is higher. Murder is murder. Chuck would be a hypocrite if he put Erik behind bars but not himself.

Yes it does matter if the body count is higher. Killing millions of people is different than killing a few dozen people. Please don't try and pretend there's no difference.

Can someone explain why Xavier killed people on a submarine? I can't remember exactly but I feel like it was to prevent further destruction. Either way, it wasn't because he was angry and seeking revenge like Magneto.

But either way both of them should not be held accountable s
ince they were clearly not thinking straight. Like Bucky over at the MCU.

All it took for him to turn against Apocalypse was Mystique saying "hey, cut it out". He was clearly thinking straight enough.

 

[Stan Lee]

Yes it does matter if the body count is higher. Killing millions of people is different than killing a few dozen people. Please don't try and pretend there's no difference.

Can someone explain why Xavier killed people on a submarine? I can't remember exactly but I feel like it was to prevent further destruction. Either way, it wasn't because he was angry and seeking revenge like Magneto.

There is way more than a dozen people on two submarines. Its like over hundred on just one of them. So he's a mass murder too.

Apocalypse took over Cerebro (like he did that TV earlier in the film) and increased its power amplifying capabilities. To the point where Chuck gets so high off the power that he does Apocalypse's bidding, much like the horsemen.

Erik's motive wasn't revenge. It was because Apocalypse promised him a better world where his people wouldn't get slaughter. Even though Apoc's plan would have screwed over mutants. But like I said, he isn't thinking straight.

All it took for him to turn against Apocalypse was Mystique saying "hey, cut it out". He was clearly thinking straight enough.

Oh, you mean like with Bucky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-U-x-okaXA

That is not a good argument you have.

 

[Flint Marko]

There is way more than a dozen people on two submarines. Its like over hundred on just one of them. So he's mass murder too.

Apocalypse took over Cerebro (like he did that TV earlier in the film) and increased its power amplifying capabilities. To the point where Chuck gets so high off the power that he does Apocalypse's bidding, much like the horsemen.

So, even better, Charles was controlled by Apocalypse.

Do you really not see the huge differences here? Charles doing Apocalypse's bidding against his own will and killing a fleet on a submarine is way, way different than Magneto being talked into killing millions of people.

Erik's motive wasn't revenge. It was because Apocalypse promised him a better world where his people wouldn't get slaughter. Even though Apoc's plan would have screwed over mutants. But like I said, he isn't thinking straight.

We're splitting hairs here. Point is Magneto was not controlled like Charles, so it isn't comparable.

Did Magneto's eyes ever go black? Didn't think so.

Oh, you mean like with Bucky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-U-x-okaXA

That is not a good argument you have.

Did Magneto undergo continual, consistent brainwashing like Bucky, or did Bucky just go along with Hydra after they talked him into it? Did Bucky kill millions of people?

And most importantly: did Captain America just let Bucky walk away scott-free, no questions asked?

 

[Stan Lee]

So, even better, Charles was controlled by Apocalypse.

Do you really not see the huge differences here? Charles doing Apocalypse's bidding against his own will and killing a fleet on a submarine is way, way different than Magneto being talked into killing millions of people.



We're splitting hairs here. Point is Magneto was not controlled like Charles, so it isn't comparable.

Did Magneto's eyes ever go black? Didn't think so.

Apocalypse doesn't control minds. He states so in the film and that's why he wanted to takeover Charles' body. He only controlled Cerebro and its ability to increase a psi's power. That's why Charles says "I've never felt power like this before". In short: he was going mad with power.

The black eyes are a throwback to Jean in The Last Stand, as she is a psi who had her powers amplified. Just another sign of Chuck's powers being increased rather than him being controlled.

To put this into perceptive: Apocalypse intoxicates people with the power grades and then persuades them to do his bidding. Like that drug in the Batman Telltale game.

Did Magneto undergo continual, consistent brainwashing like Bucky, or did Bucky just go along with Hydra after they talked him into it? Did Bucky kill millions of people?

And most importantly: did Captain America just let Bucky walk away scott-free, no questions asked?

Uh, Apocalypse increased Magneto's power like he did Charles.

 

[Frankeh]

Apocalypse doesn't control minds. He states so in the film and that's why he wanted to takeover Charles' body. He only controlled Cerebro and its ability to increase a psi's power. That's why Charles says "I've never felt power like this before". In short: he was going mad with power.

The black eyes are a throwback to Jean in The Last Stand, as she is a psi who had her powers amplified. Just another sign of Chuck's powers being increased rather than him being controlled.

That's just a theory of yours, dude. Now Jean's black eyes in The Last Stand count when Singer had always portrayed her Phoenix powers different in film, including in Apocalypse? Instead of explaining it only points out the weaknesses of the writing in that details like powers are vague and unexplained.

 

[Flint Marko]

Apocalypse doesn't control minds. He states so in the film and that's why he wanted to takeover Charles' body. He only controlled Cerebro and its ability to increase a psi's power. That's why Charles says "I've never felt power like this before".

The black eyes are a throwback to Jean in The Last Stand, as she is a psi who had her powers amplified. Just another sign of Chuck's powers being increased rather than him being controlled.

To put this into perceptive: Apocalypse intoxicates people with the power grades and persuades them to do his bidding. Like that drug in the Batman Telltale game.



Uh, Apocalypse increased Magneto's power like he did Charles.

If Charles was only intoxicated and not controlled, why did he encourage the others to destroy Cerebro?

Why did we never see Magneto's eyes turning black, or see him voice any sort of conflict the same way Charles did?

If both characters were intoxicated in the same manner, why did the film portray them in decidedly different ways?

 

[Stan Lee]

If Charles was only intoxicated and not controlled, why did he encourage the others to destroy Cerebro?

Why did we never see Magneto's eyes turning black, or see him voice any sort of conflict the same way Charles did?

If both characters were intoxicated in the same manner, why did the film portray them in decidedly different ways?

Because Charles snapped out of it due to Hank intervening like Ororo and Erik would later on.

Magneto's eyes didn't turn black for the same reason his hair didn't turn white or grew metal wings. Its not part of his mutation.

Its more subtle with Magneto. He comes becomes oddly "somnolent" after the is made a horsemen if you look closely and it really makes no sense for him to follow Apocalypse. Its more obvious with Storm who wants to be a hero and believes that killing won't change the world, to being down with Apocalypse's plan after the power-up and giving menacing looks.

According to Singer months prior to the film's release this was deliberately left vague.