Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[Stan Lee]

Here is a summary of Warren's story arc in that story:

-Warren sinks into depression losing faith in co-existing with humans.

-Apocalypse takes advantage of this and manipulates him into being his final horseman.

-Warren causes tons of death and destruction across New York under the behest of Apocalypse.

-Warren's old friends try to reach him and after ignoring their pleas his friendship with the First Class finally breaks him free of Apocalypse's influence and he turns on him.

-Warren is welcomed back to X-Factor but declines due to what he has done.

Doesn't that sound familiar?

Here is a more in-depth comparison.

http://stay-tuned-true-believers.tu.../x-men-apocalypse-compared-to-the-comic-books

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[Weather Witch]

Can't argue with anything in that video.

 

[Stan Lee]

Glad they noticed that Apocalypse decapitated those guys and not turn them into dust. Unlike another YouTube channel...

 

[JP]

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Love this.

 

[DavidHaller]

Glad they noticed that Apocalypse decapitated those guys and not turn them into dust. Unlike another YouTube channel...

I also do not get why it is so difficult to understand that Apocalypse obviously only controls in-organic matter in the movie. He basically has Selene's powers from the comicbooks...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I also do not get why it is so difficult to understand that Apocalypse obviously only controls in-organic matter in the movie. He basically has Selene's powers from the comicbooks...

that's incorrect.. he controls organic matter too, that's how he enhances mutant abilities as well.

his power in the movie is essentially the ability to re-arrange molecules.

 

[DavidHaller]

that's incorrect.. he controls organic matter too, that's how he enhances mutant abilities as well.

his power in the movie is essentially the ability to re-arrange molecules.

I beg to differ (just a little tip: when you have a theory it normally helps to support your interpretation with arguments)

he never manipulates any organic materials in the movie when he kills someone. Why is that so? He does not disintegrate humans like Phoenix in X3 but Apocalypse always manipulates the non-organic surroundings to kill these humans (he uses material from a wall to decapitates Egyptians, he lets metal worker sink into the floor, Cyclops merges with the wall behind him in the final fight etc. etc.)

The only thing would be Angel's transformation that comes close to your idea but it looks more like Apocalypse manipulates especially Angel's bones. As far as I remember are bones also not completely organic but 65 % calcium.

Both abilities are not the same. Fabian Cortez from the comic books is also capable to increase the powers of mutants and he cannot re-arrange molecules.

In brief, your oppinion is not correct. lol

 

[Vasilios]

Sorry to get off topic but is anyone else getting an ad screen every time u load a new page here?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I beg to differ (just a little tip: when you have a theory it normally helps to support your interpretation with arguments)

he never manipulates any organic materials in the movie when he kills someone. Why is that so? He does not disintegrate humans like Phoenix in X3 but Apocalypse always manipulates the non-organic surroundings to kill these humans (he uses material from a wall to decapitates Egyptians, he lets metal worker sink into the floor, Cyclops merges with the wall behind him in the final fight etc. etc.)

The only thing would be Angel's transformation that comes close to your idea but it looks more like Apocalypse manipulates especially Angel's bones. As far as I remember are bones also not completely organic but 65 % calcium.

Both abilities are not the same. Fabian Cortez from the comic books is also capable to increase the powers of mutants and he cannot re-arrange molecules.

In brief, your oppinion is not correct. lol

... dude i brought logic to the table.. he enhances and re-arranges molecules in mutants to enhance them.. why he doesn't kill people that way? probably the same reason he doesn't quickly "enhance" an individual either.. the cellular composition of a person is far more complex than that of cement... or brick, it clearly takes more time and energy to do

I think you're trying to add more logic into it than it needs to be... he's obviously able to shift genetics in order to enhance a mutant...

 

[Weather Witch]

Sorry to get off topic but is anyone else getting an ad screen every time u load a new page here?

This is what adblock is for.

 

[Stan Lee]

that's incorrect.. he controls organic matter too, that's how he enhances mutant abilities as well.

his power in the movie is essentially the ability to re-arrange molecules.

Actually, his power enhancing has nothing to do with molecule re-arrangement. It's actually the power of another character from the comics that appeared in Apocalypse's debut. They just grafted it on to Apoc.

 

[X-Maniac]

Actually, his power enhancing has nothing to do with molecule re-arrangement. It's actually the power of another character from the comics that appeared in Apocalypse's debut. They just graphed it on to Apoc.

You mean 'grafted' not 'graphed'...

But anyway, Apoc had multiple abilities in this movie, it was what made him so unstoppable.

There was some viral art somewhere, i can't remember where it was from but it was posted on here, and it said he had 1,004 different abilities!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually, his power enhancing has nothing to do with molecule re-arrangement. It's actually the power of another character from the comics that appeared in Apocalypse's debut. They just graphed it on to Apoc.

But it makes sense to explain that ability by "his mutant ability is that he can re-arrange molecules" is it not?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You mean 'grafted' not 'graphed'...

But anyway, Apoc had multiple abilities in this movie, it was what made him so unstoppable.

There was some viral art somewhere, i can't remember where it was from but it was posted on here, and it said he had 1,004 different abilities!

I find the 1,004 abilities quite odd.. for A) I think he'd find an imortal by that point to not need another body B) he wouldn't need horsemen and C) Id assume he'd show alot more than what he did... all but his astral plane moment could easily be explained by the fact he could re-arrange molecules.

 

[rashad]

Finally got around to seeing this. I really enjoyed this movie.

 

[DavidHaller]

But it makes sense to explain that ability by "his mutant ability is that he can re-arrange molecules" is it not?

no, not really. Shouldn't this gave him also the ability to give mutants completely new abilities? Why is he only increasing them? Why is he not using this ability to give himself new (and more) abilities instead of this whole body swapping shananagans?

I think the movie clearly shows that he controls foremost non-organic materials and increasing mutant abilities is a different power.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

no, not really. Shouldn't this gave him also the ability to give mutants completely new abilities? Why is he only increasing them? Why is he not using this ability to give himself new (and more) abilities instead of this whole body swapping shananagans?

I think the movie clearly shows that he controls foremost non-organic materials and increasing mutant abilities is a different power.

re-arranging the molecules wouldn't necessarily give them new abilities.. but it definitely could alter there appearance (which he does) and "unlock" there full potential.

it also doesn't mean he can re-arrange himself... (and again it shouldn't give him new abilities) none of his horsemen gain new abilities.. just enhanced the abilities they're already born with.

their DNA houses their power set.. he only has those building blocks to work with... which is why he can't give himself or others new powers. But he can expand their capabilities.

adding new powers, would be him adding new matter into their building blocks, which is something he can't do. he can only work with what is present.

a great example is the teaser at the end of DOFP.. he's re-arranging a pyramid, he's not adding to it.


it all makes perfect sense.. not sure why you're not getting it.. even in the comics he has the ability to manipulate Matter, energy and mass ... this is how he can grow to be 20 stories high and what not as well...

 

[DavidHaller]

re-arranging the molecules wouldn't necessarily give them new abilities.. but it definitely could alter there appearance (which he does) and "unlock" there full potential.

it also doesn't mean he can re-arrange himself... (and again it shouldn't give him new abilities) none of his horsemen gain new abilities.. just enhanced the abilities they're already born with.

their DNA houses their power set.. he only has those building blocks to work with... which is why he can't give himself or others new powers. But he can expand their capabilities.

adding new powers, would be him adding new matter into their building blocks, which is something he can't do. he can only work with what is present.

a great example is the teaser at the end of DOFP.. he's re-arranging a pyramid, he's not adding to it.


it all makes perfect sense.. not sure why you're not getting it.. even in the comics he has the ability to manipulate Matter, energy and mass ... this is how he can grow to be 20 stories high and what not as well...

because he never control organic matter in the movie. Never. It is very clear that he does not let heads and bodies explode but manipulates the surrounding around the people he attacks. I found it very clear that he only manipulates Angel's bones for example who are not fully organic. Pyramids are out of stone. Walls also. This is where his powers lies. I think Singer makes sure that his powers are different from Phoenix in X3 who actually could manipulate EVERYTHING with her mind.

I like these fanboy discussions lol

 

[spideyboy_1111]

because he never control organic matter in the movie. Never. It is very clear that he does not let heads and bodies explode but manipulates the surrounding around the people he attacks. I found it very clear that he only manipulates Angel's bones for example who are not fully organic. Pyramids are out of stone. Walls also. This is where his powers lies. I think Singer makes sure that his powers are different from Phoenix in X3 who actually could manipulate EVERYTHING with her mind.

I like these fanboy discussions lol

I don't think anything is apparent at all.. someone just said he has over 1000 abilities but never uses them. Just because he usually offs people by sinking them into walls doesn't mean he couldn't rearrange their molecules.. and re-arranging molecules isn't "exploding" that requires combustion.

the film specifically shows him enhancing the 4 horsemen, their power increases and storms hair goes white.... their powers are genetic.. therefore he can alter there genetics... an organic substance.

i don't even know how or why you're debating this lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

Didnt know where to post this but i thought this was interesting, the original idea for the emma front and Xavier battle for FC

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/157...going-to-have-some-crazy-cool-psychic-battles

 

[Smilodon]

Basically the same stuff that Vaughn said he cut because Inception came out.

 

[EnDz0n3]

And of course now we get Dr. Strange that basically copies that film's universe/skyscraper flipping. Still looking forward to the movie. Mighty impressed with Marvel and their track record Re: Rottentomatoes (it's at 97% with 63 reviews).

I get how they couldn't do that for FC though especially the Emma-Mansion destruction part. Heck the film couldn't even afford to make believable transitions between scenes without it looking cheap. LOL

 

[Frankeh]

Sounds like they pretty much reused those ideas for the psychic battle between Xavier and Apocalypse.

Too bad that turned out pretty lame (IMO), but I won't entirely blame the setpiece in concept, its also the fact that the third act was such a rushed mess and I felt no tension or buildup to that point, and also the fact that I didn't care for Apocalypse as a villain at all.

BTW they should get the FC writers for the next X-Men movie... but they need to get their universe in order first. I think the more they **** up their continuity the less the audience will be invested.

 

[Stan Lee]

The psychic battle was actually recycled from the comics. Where Xavier fought Shadow King for the first time and decided to form the X-Men afterwards.