Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[psylockolussus]

The general audience still do not know the difference between Marvel Studios product and a Marvel product.

And yet from the last five years, MCU films have continuously outgrossed all Foxverse films every year with few eXceptions. The Wolverine is the lowest grossing Marvel film in 2013. Dofp didn't iutgross Ca2/gotg in America. Fantastic Four bombed. Apocalypse was the lowest grossing Marvel film in 2016. Logan didn't outgross all MCU films last year. That's a pattern that more people are more invested to the MCU.

Is there any chance that Dark PhoeniX and Deadpool 2 would outgross Black Panther and Infinity War? Most likely no. Maybe Ant-Man and the Wasp.

 

[SumT]

I don’t see what’s wrong with having an XMen trailer attached to IW, that movie is going to be crazy big and that could do nothing but help if the trailer is good since it is a similar audience. People are already there to see IW this way more eyes can see DP if they choose to.

I think almost everyone would agree on that. What does Fox want? a bigger audience for X-Men? then show the trailer in the biggest movie of the year with the biggest audience possible. Its common sense.

if they show the XMen trailer in lesser hits, that means less viewers would watch the trailer on the theatre, so the less people that watch the trailer, the less people on opening weekend and overall run.

it's math after all.

Example:
22 million of viewers watching Avengers
5 million watch Ready Player one and 6 million watch Mission Impossible. (11 million total)

Where do you wanna show the trailer of your big superhero team? to the biggest audience or the smaller ones?

 

[Jh7058622]

Logan was a R-rated movie that was significantly less money to produce and got an Oscar nom non technical (something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever). Success of a movie isn't always just the end of the theatrical run money count.

 

[Frankeh]

I think one or two weeks from now should be enough to release a Dark Phoenix trailer that isn't overshadowed. But who knows what Fox thinks.

Logan was a R-rated movie that was significantly less money to produce and got an Oscar nom non technical (something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever). Success of a movie isn't always just the end of the theatrical run money count.

....Until Black Panther gets a Best Picture nom (Christopher Nolan predicts it). I hope you give equal credit for that.

Anyway, maybe not to you but I think for studios it really only is about the money. Wonder why Annihilation got dumped on Netflix? Have you heard of a sequel to Power Rangers? Isn't this movie getting a smaller budget than Apocalypse? Didn't Kinberg take a paycut?

 

[Charzhin0]

And yet from the last five years, MCU films have continuously outgrossed all Foxverse films every year with few eXceptions. The Wolverine is the lowest grossing Marvel film in 2013. Dofp didn't iutgross Ca2/gotg in America. Fantastic Four bombed. Apocalypse was the lowest grossing Marvel film in 2016. Logan didn't outgross all MCU films last year. That's a pattern that more people are more invested to the MCU.

Is there any chance that Dark PhoeniX and Deadpool 2 would outgross Black Panther and Infinity War? Most likely no. Maybe Ant-Man and the Wasp.

The point i was making is that if Dark Phoneix trailer is attached to Infinity War , the vast majority of fans will see it had a Marvel logo and not differentiate the 2 as competition from a rival as a DC film would.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think people are starting to know the difference between Marvel & Marvel Studios fanfare

 

[Charzhin0]

I think people are starting to know the difference between Marvel & Marvel Studios fanfare

People in the know. The general audience which is 90% dont.

 

[psylockolussus]

So what if they don't know the difference, the Marvel logo didn't make Fantastic Four and Apocalypse boX office juggernauts. So marketing and quality still matter the most, two things Fox is known to be inconsistent of when it comes to their Marvel films. Had they been hitting all the cylinders, this wouldn't be a discussion right now.

 

[2kt09]

Wow, that was fast. Figured the off-topic would go on a few more pages before deletion.

 

[psylockolussus]

The point i was making is that if Dark Phoneix trailer is attached to Infinity War , the vast majority of fans will see it had a Marvel logo and not differentiate the 2 as competition from a rival as a DC film would.

In my opinion, they should attach the trailer in every film that are coming out in the neXt 7 months especially Fox films. They should have attached it with Red Sparrow because of Jlaw, and they should be attaching it to Love Simon now since the Storm actress is in the movie and the movie is getting great reviews. Anyway, they should spread public awareness as much as they can. Though with Infinity War, the last two trailers before the film starts would be for Solo and Ant-Man. And I guess people are so hyped for Avengers that the new trailer for the X-Men would just be glossed over if they release it in time for Avengers 3 theatrical release.

 

[Cktopl33]

The point i was making is that if Dark Phoneix trailer is attached to Infinity War , the vast majority of fans will see it had a Marvel logo and not differentiate the 2 as competition from a rival as a DC film would.

They aren't going to release the trailer until they have enough finalized visual effects sequences for the money shots in the trailer. They're not going to repeat the same thing that happened with the first trailer for X-men Apocalypse........rushed, incomplete, and full of poor looking VFX. They are spending more time on visual effects and it's prudent for the 1st trailer to show it.

 

[SumT]

Id swear I left a comment earlier in the day, what happened? and other users too

 

[psylockolussus]

They aren't going to release the trailer until they have enough finalized visual effects sequences for the money shots in the trailer. They're not going to repeat the same thing that happened with the first trailer for X-men Apocalypse........rushed, incomplete, and full of poor looking VFX. They are spending more time on visual effects and it's prudent for the 1st trailer to show it.

Weren't people defending the New Mutants Teaser because Fox didn't have the visual effects finalized yet which would have been $ shots? So Fox just now have a different marketing approach for Dp by waiting for finalized vfx. If they are ahead or on time with the vfx companies, this wouldn't be an issue.

And regarding Apocalypse... The first trailer isn't day and light from the finished product. It just had more vfx but it still looked videogameish. Apocalypse still looked bad.

 

[Drexelhand]

Id swear I left a comment earlier in the day, what happened? and other users too

You did.

So did I.

I said there's no way Black Panther's getting Best Picture. That got removed.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Logan was a R-rated movie that was significantly less money to produce and got an Oscar nom non technical (something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever). Success of a movie isn't always just the end of the theatrical run money count.

I agree.

 

[Tymminator]

Logan was a R-rated movie that was significantly less money to produce and got an Oscar nom non technical (something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever). Success of a movie isn't always just the end of the theatrical run money count.

Well saying “something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever”, is kinda premature to say the very least. Relatively speaking they just got here compared to the other long standing studios. It took Fox almost 18 year to get that nom for one of their Marvel movies, Marvel Studios is just now 10 years old, people forget it’s a very young studio and who knows what the future for it brings. It might get better and better, or it might plummet like a rock. Give it 8 more years and then let’s see what they rack up by then.

I think people are starting to know the difference between Marvel & Marvel Studios fanfare

Compared to a few years ago it’s astonishing how many non fanboys/girls know now...just judging from work in a population of those as young as 22 to those in their 60’s they know, and it’s not all because of me.

That said, I still think it doesn’t matter, be it DC, Fox, Sony, whatever...I think it would be smart to attach a trailer to any other comic movies, especially if you know that movie is going to be big.

Only the crazy fans get upset at any perceived wars, just as I brought up how those at work are knowing the difference between Marvel Studios/Marvel-Fox and DC, they also don’t care about it the way some fans do. Just like if a Star Trek trailer was attached to a Star Wars or Alien movie. You are just trying to tag a demographic.

 

[SumT]

exactly!

Fox would loooooooooove to get a piece of Avengers audience, they love superheroes, so a lot of them could love X-Men too if Fox did their job well. There is no reason why most young people cant love Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Nightcrawler, Angel, Jubilee, Rogue and co. They are awesome! but of course, Fox/Kinberg would have to do an awesome job with them for the general audience to love them as we do. if their job is subpar, that wont ever happen and viewers seeing the XMen trailers would just say "meh".

 

[Jh7058622]

Well saying “something Disney Marvel hasn't been able to accomplish ever”, is kinda premature to say the very least. Relatively speaking they just got here compared to the other long standing studios. It took Fox almost 18 year to get that nom for one of their Marvel movies, Marvel Studios is just now 10 years old, people forget it’s a very young studio and who knows what the future for it brings. It might get better and better, or it might plummet like a rock. Give it 8 more years and then let’s see what they rack up by then.

Not really when everyone talks about how perfect Marvel movies have been and they've yet to even win an Oscar at all. Even DC WB was able to do that their third film out (in like 4 years or so) so what barometer are we supposed to put it on in that case?

 

[Tymminator]

Not really when everyone talks about how perfect Marvel movies have been and they've yet to even win an Oscar at all. Even DC WB was able to do that there third film so what barometer are we supposed to put it on?

“Not even a Oscar”

Dude, there are plenty of good movies with no Oscar, and they are still considered classics. If that’s what you want to hang your hat on, then that’s your personal choice, and yes it’s nice to say your movie won one (when it’s your movie you made) but that’s silly to use as the only thing as what makes a good movie.

Marvel Studios has won a ton of other awards from others, true it’s only gotten Oscar noms and not actually won but seriously so what?

Guess how many Oscars Fox X-Men films actually won? Is that a barometer you want to use for them? I bet not.

That said this is the XM: DP forums so let’s just go back to talking about the trailer.

 

[Jh7058622]

“Not even a Oscar”

Dude, there are plenty of good movies with no Oscar, and they are still considered classics. If that’s what you want to hang your hat on, then that’s your personal choice, and yes it’s nice to say your movie won one (when it’s your movie you made) but that’s silly to use as the only thing as what makes a good movie.

Marvel Studios has won a ton of other awards from others, true it’s only gotten Oscar noms and not actually won but seriously so what?

Guess how many Oscars Fox X-Men films actually won? Is that a barometer you want to use for them? I bet not.

That said this is the XM: DP forums so let’s just go back to talking about the trailer.

That's my entire point. Did you no read my comment?

Your the one saying to wait and see for Marvel to get one not me. I was replying to a comment that got deleted about how much the Marvel Disney films make. I wasn't making my comment in a vaccum. Some things aren't all about the bottom line of money but accolades and also theatrical momentary success.

 

[Tymminator]

That's my entire point. Did you no read my comment?

Your the one saying to wait and see for it to get one not me. I was replying to a comment that got deleted about how much the Marvel Disney films make. I wasn't making my comment in a vaccum. Some things aren't all about the bottom line of money but accolades and also theatrical momentary success.

My comment to you was simply saying to state something as “something they have yet to do ever” is premature, as it is.

Again it’s a new studio. Also saying WB/DC as getting an Oscar on its third attempt out is not actually correct either as WB has been making DC movies since 1978 and had experience making other types of movies before that, it doesn’t matter if they rebooted/redirected decided to make a Cinematic Universe or whatnot, they have hands down more experience making a superhero movie than any other studio. So no, it’s not like they just started. They are not doing super great right now, but they are the ground breakers of the genre for the others.

Your point that there are other forms of success I agree with and that’s not what I was adresssing, again I’m simply saying to imply a new studio didn’t get something “ever” that another studio that had been making Marvel movies for 18 years and had 15+ Marvel movies under their belt got a Oscar Mom for, and compare that to a new studio almost half its age/experience with 18 movies under its own like it didn’t get that same type of non “ever” was premature.

 

[Jh7058622]

My comment to you was simply saying to state something as “something they have yet to do ever” is premature, as it is.

Again it’s a new studio. Also saying WB/DC as getting an Oscar on its third attempt out is not actually correct either as WB has been making DC movies since 1978 and had experience making other types of movies before that, it doesn’t matter if they rebooted/redirected decided to make a Cinematic Universe or whatnot, they have hands down more experience making a superhero movie than any other studio. So no, it’s not like they just started. They are not doing super great right now, but they are the ground breakers of the genre for the others.

Your point that there are other forms of success I agree with and that’s not what I was adresssing, again I’m simply saying to imply a new studio didn’t get something “ever” that another studio that had been making Marvel movies for 18 years and had 15+ Marvel movies under their belt and compare that to a new studio almost half its age/experience with 18 movies under its was was premature.

You're incorrect. Marvel sudios are the ones who produced the first X-Men film in conjunction with Fox. They are still in partnership with other studios to this day. When you first brought it up I assumed you meant as a cinematic universe then DC-WB would be apples to apples to compare.

Anyway. I wonder if when Ready Player One is closer to release we get more info on Dark Phoenix.

 

[Tymminator]

Your incorrect. Marvel sudios are the ones who produced the first X-Men film in conjunction with Fox. They are still in partnership with other studios to this day. When you first brought it up I assumed you meant as a cinematic universe then DC-WB would be apples to apples to compare.

Nope. Marvel Studios as it exists today is 10 year old and at this point we will just have to agree to disagree because the relationships Marvel had with Fox and Sony then/now and the movies they make etc, are not at all what you are implying here. That’s all for another thread on the Marvel Board if you want to take it there.

Anyway. I wonder if when Ready Player One is closer to release we get more info on Dark Phoenix.

Ready Player One would be a good choice to drop the trailer as well.

 

[Jh7058622]

Nope. Marvel Studios as it exists today is 10 year old and at this point we will just have to agree to disagree because the relationships Marvel had with Fox and Sony then/now and the movies they make etc, are not at all what you are implying here. That’s all for another thread on the Marvel Board if you want to take it there.

Ready Player One would be a good choice to drop the trailer as well.

They are the same company that approves everything with the partnership deal. They are the same company that decided to produce there own films instead of partnering. But yeah agree to disagree.

 

[EnDz0n3]

If Fox and producers realized whats the real reason of that, they could start fixing it. But sadly, I honestly think and Im sure they dont know the reasons.

Job # 1 was to not hire the writer of the previous movie in the franchise that underperformed and then doubling down and making him the director.

They aren't going to release the trailer until they have enough finalized visual effects sequences for the money shots in the trailer. They're not going to repeat the same thing that happened with the first trailer for X-men Apocalypse........rushed, incomplete, and full of poor looking VFX. They are spending more time on visual effects and it's prudent for the 1st trailer to show it.

That's probably for the best.