Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[SumT]

the day Marvel makes a X-Men movie and it makes 800m, 900 or maybe even 1b (at least a sequel), the fans will realize their real potential.

its sad to read some fans believing there isnt much they can do, impact wise, its like reading Fox execs and their thoughts sometimes, not believing in their full potential.

Back to Dark Phoenix, if somehow it reachs 600m it would be a huge hit for Kinberg. Hell even making the same as Apocalypse would be a hit for him. If it does less... well.... as of now we better not think about that lol. Our xmen dont deserve that, even less the Phoenix story.

 

[Lip]

A man writing and directing is a step in the direction of making girl power suck.

Especially when this man has been treating female characters poorly in his scripts.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I do not turn the topic into an eternal debate.
but all those you quoted had some news
is a female protagonist, a black protagonist, a film all made in space,a comedy movie without rules and etc, this calls the public's attention.

And a proper X-men movie with powerful female and minority characters would put butts in seats. You don't think a Storm at full potential will not bring audiences in? Not to mention a pro-diversity parable in a time of ethnic divisions would capture the zeitgeist.

I can rather easily picture an X-men movie approaching a billion under the MCU banner. Too bad Fox doesn't.

 

[Lip]

Not to mention that putting those minorities and female characters upfront is more powerful than any allegory a movie like DoFP did.

Claremont's legacy isn't just those allegories.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm not going to name movie names so I do not turn the topic into an eternal debate.
but all those you quoted had some news
is a female protagonist, a black protagonist, a film all made in space,a comedy movie without rules and etc, this calls the public's attention.

and I do not see what else the x-men franchise can use to be seen as a "novelty", and we're talking about an "old" franchise is not something new that can be shown to the public as a novelty.

Well, the X-Men could have had those novelty factors. But the studio has been too slow, too fixated on a handful of characters/stars and is unfamiliar with the source material.

X-Men has female protagonists, black protagonists and stories set in space.

But Marvel Studios did it first and now make the X-Men look stale and dated.

I don't think Dark Phoenix has a novelty factor either.

DoFP did - time travel. At least Fox got to that one first.

 

[SumT]

A man writing and directing is a step in the direction of making girl power suck.

Especially when this man has been treating female characters poorly in his scripts.

lord, I hadnt realized this all this time, but now that I read you... why?? why did you have to post that? lol,

this was the perfect story for Fox to sign a female director or at least a female writer. The worst part of all of this is Kinberg's track record with the x-women


my hype went down 30% now. no joke

 

[2kt09]

Well, the X-Men could have had those novelty factors. But the studio has been too slow, too fixated on a handful of characters/stars and is unfamiliar with the source material.

X-Men has female protagonists, black protagonists and stories set in space.

But Marvel Studios did it first and now make the X-Men look stale and dated.

I don't think Dark Phoenix has a novelty factor either.

DoFP did - time travel. At least Fox got to that one first.

• The Wolverine did a western in a Japanese setting.
• FC did the whole recruiting and training within a 60s movie spy thing.
• Origins Wolverine was a straight up cartoon; cameos aplenty.
• TLS just kept throwing mutants at the screen whilst adapting 2 story arcs; killing off major characters as well to coincide with the "Last Stand"
  (there was even a massive setpiece at the end: X-Men vs the Brotherhood & the 'Omegas')
• X-Men & X2 took the material more seriously than anyone at the time would have given a cbm credit for and that's why they're rated/reviewed as such.

 

[Ordet]

The Avengers is not Transformers.

Even if i prefer MS to Transformers, at least Disney film would look like a movie (in the pure images in motion, Micheal Bay is a recognized master) and not a german tv-show as they are now.

 

[Ordet]

the day Marvel makes a X-Men movie and it makes 800m, 900 or maybe even 1b (at least a sequel), the fans will realize their real potential./QUOTE]

If you have a quote in that, yes, you realize the potential.

And i have NO doubt that Disney will make that amount of money with the X-Men. I'm sure they will do it.
But, seeing all the Marvel Studios film, i know the cost in quality to reach that money, a cost that i don't wanna pay. so why i have trust them for the future?

 

[Ordet]

• The Wolverine did a western in a Japanese setting.
• FC did the whole recruiting and training within a 60s movie spy thing.
• Origins Wolverine was a straight up cartoon; cameos aplenty.
• TLS just kept throwing mutants at the screen whilst adapting 2 story arcs; killing off major characters as well to coincide with the "Last Stand"
  (there was even a massive setpiece at the end: X-Men vs the Brotherhood & the 'Omegas')
• X-Men & X2 took the material more seriously than anyone at the time would have given a cbm credit for and that's why they're rated/reviewed as such.

And X-Men actually had female characters before all others.
And also a character from a minorance (Erik) before the others.

 

[The Batman]

I think it has created this desire that x-men have the same results as avengers to be seen as a success, but probably they will never have even if they are made by the marvel itself,the x-men never had audience for this, and were never seen as a "family movie"

This is what we call revisionist history.

The X-Men used to be one of the hugest franchises in comics, in an era where loads of people still read comics.

Their cartoon from the 90's is one of the best remembered ones from that decade.

The audience was there. You just think otherwise because of what Fox and Singer ended up doing with the franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

The X-Men are so iconic!

 

[SumT]

The audience was there. You just think otherwise because of what Fox and Singer ended up doing with the franchise.

basically.
some fans think what Fox has done is the most any studio can do with X-Men (story and boxoffice wise). and hell no! lol. hell no.

The x-men can do much much more than what we have seen. power wise, diversity wise, female wise, balance wise, boxoffice wise and everything. But I understand some viewers/fans only believe what they see on the screen, so until the day another studio/directors do something in a different way and having a bigger impact, they wont believe it can happen.

but dont worry yall, it will happen, one day, maybe sooner than we think. 2020's for sure.

 

[psylockolussus]

lord, I hadnt realized this all this time, but now that I read you... why?? why did you have to post that? lol,

this was the perfect story for Fox to sign a female director or at least a female writer. The worst part of all of this is Kinberg's track record with the x-women


my hype went down 30% now. no joke

I don't care if they hire a female or male director or writer, as long as the person that they hired will deliver. Kinberg probably won't deliver again. He already got three strikes. FoX is just too generous to him at this point.

 

[Ordet]

This is what we call revisionist history.

The X-Men used to be one of the hugest franchises in comics, in an era where loads of people still read comics.

Their cartoon from the 90's is one of the best remembered ones from that decade.

The audience was there. You just think otherwise because of what Fox and Singer ended up doing with the franchise.

That's revisionism.

1) In the era where loads of people read comics, that amount of people would never covered the cost of the music composer for the movie.

2) the cartoon of '90 hasn't an audience from then. It is not a classic still remembered like Saint Seiya or others japan ones.
I like that cartoon, but you all have a distorted vision of his popolarity: today is near zero.
Fact: there aren't merchandising about it (while you can find mecha figures from the most loser of robot cartoon)

Aside X-Men fan, nobody remember it.

 

[def28]

Then I guess nobody remembers X1 or 2 since it's only 3-6 years away from the animated series.

You're gonna have to convince a ton of people none of that still has impact. Which it does, in a ton of 20 something and 30 something year olds.

Heck, Marvel brought a comic series based around 90s X-Men, like what a year or two ago? That wasn't cause there is zero interest. It's cause people still ask for it like crazy. Pretty much the only reason anyone cared about Gambit.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, the X-Men could have had those novelty factors. But the studio has been too slow, too fixated on a handful of characters/stars and is unfamiliar with the source material.

X-Men has female protagonists, black protagonists and stories set in space.

But Marvel Studios did it first and now make the X-Men look stale and dated.

I don't think Dark Phoenix has a novelty factor either.

DoFP did - time travel. At least Fox got to that one first.

The X-Men movies should be seen as pioneers at this point, the franchise leading superhero films but no. They are quite behind right now. They should be toe and toe with MCU, not behind them. Like foX-Men still get credit for the boom of superhero films in the last decade, but like Sony's Spider-Man films, they have hit the wall and Fox is just milking its cow to its last drop.

We might get a good film from time to time, but when you have films like Fantastic Four, Apocalypse in between the good films, it just taint their track record.

 

[Lip]

You certainly like to belittle and depreciate the X-Men. Maybe in the country you live in that animated series wasn't big. In the country I live in, which isn't US, it was huge. And everybody who grew up in the 90's remeber it. Most of them, dearly.

Loving or hating, you can deny how iconic that series was.

 

[psylockolussus]

The X-Men used to be the top dogs of Marvel along with Spider-Man in the 90s and 80s.

 

[Ordet]

How much copies sell X-Men '92?
Look for that and you find out another fact against cartoon popolarity today.

facts, not faith.

 

[Ordet]

The X-Men used to be the top dogs of Marvel along with Spider-Man in the 90s and 80s.

True.

But what you always forgetting is that, we - comics book fan - are (and were) a laughable (at best) number.

A film company cannot count on us.

 

[Ordet]

(and, i repeat, i very like the cartoon, and i cannot wait to show it to my son when he'll grow up, but quality is another story with today popularity)

 

[EnDz0n3]

That's revisionism.

1) In the era where loads of people read comics, that amount of people would never covered the cost of the music composer for the movie.

2) the cartoon of '90 hasn't an audience from then. It is not a classic still remembered like Saint Seiya or others japan ones.
I like that cartoon, but you all have a distorted vision of his popolarity: today is near zero.
Fact: there aren't merchandising about it (while you can find mecha figures from the most loser of robot cartoon)

Aside X-Men fan, nobody remember it.

Haha and yet we're the ones labelled X-men haters.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

these box office debates to me are meaningless
I think it has created this desire that x-men have the same results as avengers to be seen as a success, but probably they will never have even if they are made by the marvel itself,the x-men never had audience for this, and were never seen as a "family movie", a franchise does not need an oscar, or 1 billion to be seen as something classic or a hit.

This is ridiculous. X-MEN as a IP definitely has 1 billion dollar potential. FOX just doesn't know how to make it happen. That doesn't mean another studio couldn't do it.

and I do not see what else the x-men franchise can use to be seen as a "novelty", and we're talking about an "old" franchise is not something new that can be shown to the public as a novelty.

The "novelty" will be X-MEN "done right" by Marvel Proper. X-MEN done by Disney will sell itself

 

[psyonic]

What if a part of the deal is to have the current cast brought over to Disney X-Men? I mean under Marvel the current cast could be alright, but please no more focus on Logan, Xavier, Erik and Mystique. Some may say "no way" but people thought the OT cast would never be in another movie after X3 but they were.

Perhaps if Dark Phoenix is a hit they will bring the cast over. This is all on Kinberg and his team.

For me it's never been the casting, just the handling of the characters itself.