Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[SumT]

Looks like a case for Mulder and Scully.

nailed it.

 

[JP]

Imagine if they decided to take out X-Men from the title and just call it Dark Phoeni(x)

“X-Men” has never been in the title for this film. Not sure why everyone keeps putting it in the title.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It's a very cool logo, but it really does scream The X Files more than anything else.

 

[SumT]

thats probably Kinberg's idea to try to atract a new audience, since FC and XMA didnt do that well in usa. They had to try something different, I guess. They keep searching how to sell these movies lol. poor selfs

 

[Erik Lensherr]

thats probably Kinberg's idea to try to atract a new audience, since FC and XMA didnt do that well in usa. They had to try something different, I guess. They keep searching how to sell these movies lol. poor selfs

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[Davidstorm]

they are just doing the same thing they did in "logan"
I like it, something different, x-men for years have the same logo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Really the (X) highlight would be the only thing that links it to X-Men if they go with just "Dark Phoenix". it's quite a daring thing to do if they go for it.

 

[SumT]

that and Jessica Chastain's overall look. sooo inspired in Xfiles. that was my first thought when EW revealed her pic. and now this.
Too obvious

 

[Alison Blaire]

Dark Phoenix files?

 

[Link]

Cool logo! Doubt we'll get anything more with Deadpool 2, but SDCC might be the next step.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This was handed out after the event

Also just has "Dark Phoenix" titled

 

[Lip]

Raven has been portrayed in her JLaw form for a big amount of time since First Class. She has been portrayed like this throughout the whole trilogy. To the point of them promoting the character like that in the official posters. It's not like the creative team has changed.

This version of Raven isn't the same that told Kurt they "shouldn't have to" look like them. This version is different and she has that "human form", like Beast has his.

Assuming they'll stick with this version of the character sounds right.

 

[Cktopl33]

Raven has been portrayed in her JLaw form for a big amount of time since First Class. She has been portrayed like this throughout the whole trilogy. To the point of them promoting the character like that in the official posters. It's not like the creative team has changed.

This version of Raven isn't the same that told Kurt they "shouldn't have to" look like them. This version is different and she has that "human form", like Beast has his.

Assuming they'll stick with this version of the character sounds right.

Except....it's not the same creative team. The only person to continue is Kinberg who has chosen a completely different team to help him helm his vision. Two, the First Class trilogy was completed with Apocalypse. Dark Phoenix is described as somewhat of a reboot or reset. This is even more evident with the newly revealed logo.

 

[Lip]

Except....it's not the same creative team. The only person to continue is Kinberg who has chosen a completely different team to help him helm his vision.

Tell me exacly who's new in the franchise that has power to say how the character will be portrayed.

Two, the First Class trilogy was completed with Apocalypse.

Dark Phoenix is bringing back the same characters from the FC trilogy. The same versions of them. Played by the same actors.

Dark Phoenix is described as somewhat of a reboot or reset.

Who said that? Where? When? Source please.


That Jlaw form is part of this version of the character and has been established like that since 2011. I have no reason whatsover to believe they'll change that.

 

[Derrick]

I hope Disney gets Fox studios early enough to review this movie before release. It this movie is going to be the disaster I think it will be, I hope Disney will stop it. Rather not do the movie then release a bad one.

 

[1627523]

I hope Disney gets Fox studios early enough to review this movie before release. It this movie is going to be the disaster I think it will be, I hope Disney will stop it. Rather not do the movie then release a bad one.

If it helps anything Slugzilla (an insider in fox) said he heard its pretty good.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Raven has been portrayed in her JLaw form for a big amount of time since First Class. She has been portrayed like this throughout the whole trilogy. To the point of them promoting the character like that in the official posters. It's not like the creative team has changed.

This version of Raven isn't the same that told Kurt they "shouldn't have to" look like them. This version is different and she has that "human form", like Beast has his.

Assuming they'll stick with this version of the character sounds right.

ie. Educated guess based on years--close to a decades' worth--of history with the prequel films.

The other side's argument, that Kinberg will deliver a good script, that he'll be an advocate for the X-men team members over Mystique and Magneto, that Blonde Katniss will not show up are at best: Optimism.

However, this can be more appropriately described as: wishful thinking not based on anything that's been delivered before.

Tell me exacly who's new in the franchise that has power to say how the character will be portrayed.

In his mind, Kinberg will veto...his own script?

If only.

Like I said, Kinberg and Fox paid a huge amount of moolah to get her back (for the fans!, for her good friend Kinberg! Tell us the real story Sarah Huck!).

Some people here believe in their heart of hearts that she won't for one second want to not have to be in make-up. The same woman who "put her foot down."

Bless their hearts.

 

[psyonic]

I thought it was well known Raven was in human form for the majority of the movie to cater to Lawrence's demands?

 

[EnDz0n3]

I thought it was well known Raven was in human form for the majority of the movie to cater to Lawrence's demands?

Some people on here refuse to believe that.

 

[Cktopl33]

Tell me exacly who's new in the franchise that has power to say how the character will be portrayed.

Other than the studio, the director primarily has the power to say how the character will be portrayed because its based on the director's vision. This film will be Kinberg's vision, which we have yet to see.

Dark Phoenix is bringing back the same characters from the FC trilogy. The same versions of them. Played by the same actors.

Which doesn't dismiss the fact that the First Class trilogy was completed with Apocalypse. Hence....TRILOGY. THREE. Group of three related films. Mystique already has a different look from those films even in makeup in the official released photos for Dark Phoenix.

In terms of how different this movie is in relation to the previous x-men films:

“I can’t really talk about the content of what we’re talking about right now,” Kinberg begins. “But we certainly want to enter into new areas that the X-Men haven’t entered into before. And that means just not the possibility of what you said, but really the interpersonal dynamics between these characters has to feel different, and heated and visceral, and human and relatable in ways that maybe some of the movies in the past have been more theatrical and sort of operatic. We would like the next movie to feel grounded and even gritty and dangerous in ways that we haven’t really seen an X-Men movie be.”

"In terms of development of the next x-men movie, which Hutch and I are in deep, deep inside of right now, —it is the challenge that we have given ourselves, and that the studio has given us too, by the way, is to make it feel fresh and different from all of the X-Men movies that have proceeded it and feel like it’s a new experience. And that’s a great opportunity as an artist and a filmmaker.

“So it’s a great challenge to us as filmmakers that each of these movies feels original, fresh, and good. So with the X-Men movies, they’ll be as different from Logan as Logan was from Deadpool. And what they will have in common, all of them, hopefully and at least in their intention, is to be provocative and radical, and new and fresh, even though we’re seven, eight, however many movies into a franchise.”

Hutch Parker: "we’re very aware of the challenge that those movies pose and what it sort of demands of us as storytellers mining, again, one of the great comic runs in The Dark Phoenix Saga. Our hope and expectation is to try and do something that feels different, that takes the audience into a different tone and a different sense of cinematic style that is appropriately suited to the story we’re telling.

“I think everything that hasn't been told from First Class and Days of Future Past is up for grabs going forward, so it would absolutely be a story we could tell in a different way,” Kingberg answered when asked about adapting the Dark Phoenix Saga once more.

Semi-reboot or reset are what the press used as a way to describe these changes:

Consequently, a report is indicating that a “reset button” has been pressed for the franchise. According to The Hollywood Reporter, there are rumblings that executives over at Fox have come to the conclusion that carrying on with the current X-Men film series is no longer a realistic prospect and that "the reset button has been pressed.” Reportedly, writer/producer extraordinaire Simon Kinberg has been tasked to work on a new script that would essentially “reconfigure” the flagship branding of the X-Men movie franchise completely anew. – That’s right, a reboot of sorts!

Of course there's a twist in the movie that could actually be the primary source of a full on reboot:

The latest report from Entertainment Weekly teases that the movie will feature some of the biggest set pieces in X-Men franchise history, the mutants' first trip to outer space along with, according to EW, "a massive twist halfway through that will irrevocably change the course of the franchise."

Which perhaps hinted a rumors of a two-parter that would likely have been scrapped due to the merger deal.

On a latter note, reboots or semi reboots can keep actors. And with soft reboots, some of the previous canon, characters, continuity can carry over to the new movie. The story is certainly a reboot. In terms of tone, it's a reboot from the previous x-men films. Semi reboot or reset can be an attempt to take a franchise in a different direction, creatively. That was one of their big talking points for Dark Phoenix.

The soft reboot of The Dark Knight from Batman Begins is another example where Nolan even dropped Batman from the title. They're different movies in terms of narratives, styles:

Even the styles are different: the Gotham in Begins is a pretty typical '90s-style superhero movie metropolis, with CGI skyscrapers and elevated trains. The Gotham in Dark Knight is represented mostly by real cities like Chicago, and there's even a side trip to Hong Kong to establish the movie's real-world credentials. After making a fairly traditional superhero movie that seemed overtly fantastic, Nolan obviously wanted to ground the sequel in a world that looked and felt more real, and resonated more with post-9/11 anxieties.

 

[Cktopl33]

I thought it was well known Raven was in human form for the majority of the movie to cater to Lawrence's demands?

That was for X-men Apocalypse due to the fact that she had reactions to the chemicals used in the paint. They might have changed to different materials for Dark Phoenix. The paint in Dark Phoenix released photo for her character definitely look different. More muted matte look whereas the previous films paint seemed more glossy, shiny.

 

[BMM]

I like that they appear to be incorporating the Phoenix emblem into the title, but ditch the red circle around the X.

 

[Cktopl33]

I hope Disney gets Fox studios early enough to review this movie before release. It this movie is going to be the disaster I think it will be, I hope Disney will stop it. Rather not do the movie then release a bad one.

Just as 1627523 stated, according to Slugzilla Disney is already pulling strings behind the scenes if not heavy influence. It seem Dark Phoenix may be spared because it will likely release before the deal is done, but New Mutants on the other hand:

Slugzilla: A friend told me that Dark Phoenix is actually pretty good which is one of the main reasons it will probably be released. (Nothing is set in stone at this point however).

Basically from what I gather, Disney wants Fox to put everything with an X on it on the back burner, so that when things are officially a go, there will have been some distance between their X-Men product and Fox's.

They(Disney) don't have any "official" control over this stuff, but they don't need it, the fox execs know the deal is done and so does Disney, so Disney, for all intents and purposes essentially has control over Fox already.

Most everyone involved in production (on New Mutants) has kinda known about the fate of this movie for a while now. We've all been in a state of denial I suppose.
Despite our best efforts and attempts to please all parties involved, (IE the addition of new characters & lightening the tone) the mouse has taken the house, and overruled the fox. My understanding is that the order has been unofficially made that this movie (New Mutants) is to not be seen by the public, in any manner.

According to Slugzilla, Josh Boone is to blame for NM demise:

And now this property that we all loved will likely again sit in limbo for another 20 years as Disney goes about building it's new X-Men franchise. All thanks to some idiotic Fox execs and the director that fooled them. Very sad.

Because of this, I'm inclined to think there likely was a two-part for Dark Phoenix and the studio simply did a last minute shut down due to Disney influence by announcing this movie as their last X-men film. If there's an official announcement for re-shoots from Fox, or from the film's creative team, or the actors.....then the rumor for reshoots regarding the third act is likely to change an ending that was suppose to lead into the second film if it was a two parter. That's likely another reason why they took X-men out of the title. So they could say to Disney, "see, this movie isn't associated with the X titles. No need to put it on the back burner", lol

 

[Ryan1210]

Yeah I was think the reshoot is to tie the third act of this movie. The buzz around is movie is pretty good & I hope the reshoot won't change that.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Just as 1627523 stated, according to Slugzilla Disney is already pulling strings behind the scenes if not heavy influence. It seem Dark Phoenix may be spared because it will likely release before the deal is done, but New Mutants on the other hand:

According to Slugzilla, Josh Boone is to blame for NM demise:Because of this, I'm inclined to think there likely was a two-part for Dark Phoenix and the studio simply did a last minute shut down due to Disney influence by announcing this movie as their last X-men film. If there's an official announcement for re-shoots from Fox, or from the film's creative team, or the actors.....then the rumor for reshoots regarding the third act is likely to change an ending that was suppose to lead into the second film if it was a two parter. That's likely another reason why they took X-men out of the title. So they could say to Disney, "see, this movie isn't associated with the X titles. No need to put it on the back burner", lol

So people should be careful about posting rumours but also here are rumours? What kind of hypocrisy is this?