Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[Charzhin0]

Theory, what if story the Dark Phoenix story is told by an older Jean Grey after the events of Logan?

For example, in the film Arrival, the film is narrated by Amy Adam's to her daughter.

That Arrival style narration idea from Jean is pretty cool, I wouldnt expect Kinberg to use it or even think of it.

But there is a moment in Logan during the dinner table scene where Wolverine mentions Jean in a very uncomfortable way implying shes gone, so I dont think that would work.

My twist on that idea would be the same narration style, instead its given by McAvoys Xavier (as all Xfilms have a brief monologue at the start - and some at the end) but show on screen that its X23 reading an old Xmen comic which is portraying the events of Dark Phoneix with McAvoys voice narrating then slowly blend into the beginning of the film. Perhaps have a closer scene like this too.

 

[Cktopl33]

Sounds familiar. My link to THR's piece on 'major reshoots' was picked apart, yet they went on to say THR's report of a reboot/reconfiguring of this series was spot on.

If it's negative, then it's not true, of course. If it offers a glimmer of positivity, it must be true.

The Damage Control is strong with that one.

According to that same link, the claim of major reshoots....weren't really major. And it also wasn't an official statement in the article that reshoots are occurring. As far as reboot/reconfiguring the series.....that's not dependent on a THR article. Quotes from the director and producer themselves displayed their different approach for this movie. But none of these things state anything negative or positive about the movie, so how is that damage control? Strange statements......

 

[SumT]

THR is Fox's go to/damage control site. They announced all the big casting additions and the rehoots news. Even Kingerg as a director in a subtle way, under Jessica Chastain news.

so yeah, its damage control. Fox is more careful this time around, they know they need it this time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That Arrival style narration idea from Jean is pretty cool, I wouldnt expect Kinberg to use it or even think of it.

I feel like this narration idea has been speculated since apocalypse when people were speculating Xavier would be telling the story to Logan.

Presumably they want the cast, characters and stories to stand on their own without needing a bookmark by older cast

I also think the Logan setting is a complicated one to try and tie up with tbh

 

[Cktopl33]

THR is Fox's go to/damage control site. They announced all the big casting additions and the rehoots news. Even Kingerg as a director in a subtle way, under Jessica Chastain news.

so yeah, its damage control. Fox is more careful this time around, they know they need it this time.

Quotes from the director and producer about their different approach to the movie aren't all based on THR site. The film's information and photo releases don't all come from THR.

The re-shoot news for Dark Phoenix wasn't only posted on THR. Collider.com also made similar statements claiming they had "their sources" (again not from an official announcement) but also called the re-shoots for the film "standard procedure for some additional photography". In addition to that, they claimed there were major creative differences issues regarding New Mutants re-shoots. We at least know that there are re-shoots for New Mutants because cast members confirmed it, so that bit isn't entirely based on rumor.

 

[Micromind]

#reposting..

If nothing else this cast sounds dope.

 

[X-Maniac]

According to that same link, the claim of major reshoots....weren't really major. And it also wasn't an official statement in the article that reshoots are occurring. As far as reboot/reconfiguring the series.....that's not dependent on a THR article. Quotes from the director and producer themselves displayed their different approach for this movie. But none of these things state anything negative or positive about the movie, so how is that damage control? Strange statements......

Simple.

Reshoots are regarded as negative. Fanboys go into a panic whenever reshoots are announced/revealed, as it suggests the finished film is not good and needs fixing (even though some additional photography is a matter of course on these projects).

Reboot is a positive thing on this occasion because of the criticisms of X-Men Apocalypse. No one wants any more of that crap, riddled with bad decisions.

We have a very long time to wait to see what Dark Phoenix offers but, with Marvel's Phase 4 said to be 'going cosmic', I wouldn't be surprised if the reshoots are connected to that. I think it likely that Dark Phoenix will be distanced from the MCU not given a connection to it.

I don't think Feige and Co would want Skrulls in a a movie coming out just before their own Captain Marvel featuring Skrulls.

 

[2kt09]

I don't think Feige and Co would want Skrulls in a a movie coming out just before their own Captain Marvel featuring Skrulls.

On top of that both movies being set in the 90s...and [BLACKOUT]both needing to shake up the universe[/BLACKOUT].

 

[psylockolussus]

Why would the MCU need the excess baggage from Fox's established X-Men film verse? They aren't gonna connect it.

 

[Cktopl33]

Simple.

Reshoots are regarded as negative. Fanboys go into a panic whenever reshoots are announced/revealed, as it suggests the finished film is not good and needs fixing (even though some additional photography is a matter of course on these projects).

Reboot is a positive thing on this occasion because of the criticisms of X-Men Apocalypse. No one wants any more of that crap, riddled with bad decisions.

We have a very long time to wait to see what Dark Phoenix offers but, with Marvel's Phase 4 said to be 'going cosmic', I wouldn't be surprised if the reshoots are connected to that. I think it likely that Dark Phoenix will be distanced from the MCU not given a connection to it.

I don't think Feige and Co would want Skrulls in a a movie coming out just before their own Captain Marvel featuring Skrulls.

Whether a reshoot is positive or negative is dependent on its outcome and how they were used. They are usually made after continuity, logic, or quality issues are identified. This is common. Reshoots intending to change the direction or original vision of the film (like studio meddling) tend to produce poor results.

Remember, there is no official statement that reshoots are actually occurring for Dark Phoenix. This claim was used to explain the release date shuffle. But many Fox films had there dates changed. It was also suggested that reshoots were scheduled because of needed additional photography from the latest test screening. But they already had a testing screening before that. Any continuity errors or needed changes would have been identified then.

If the rumor of reshoots is true, it suggest the reshoots aren't extensive. Extensive re-shoots are expensive. The under 10 million claim, if true, is a pretty standard cost for film reshoots, nothing major. If the claim for 'fixing the third act' is true, then that affirm my suspicions that reshoots could be used to fix an ending that would have led into another film rather than reshoot extensive sequences or entire segments of a movie just to take out or alter villains that will also be used in MCU. We don't quite know if there are skrulls or not. It wasn't officially announced what Jessica Chastain is actually playing. Reports from test screenings claimed Chastian was a skrull, but there were also reports based on test screenings saying she was in fact playing Lilandra after all despite previous claims to the contrary. There were reports saying she's playing something else entirely and there were reports that the villains don't have a bigger role in the film. Could they have screened two different versions from two separate test screenings? Who knows. I do think there was suppose to be a sequel to Dark Phoenix that got scrapped based on various connecting the dots as well as Kinberg's statements 2 years ago on wanting to do a new trilogy focusing on the younger cast. I think Dark Phoenix was suppose to be the first of three movies. Now it could be that there are no reshoots at all and Fox simply changed release dates. We won't know for certain unless there's an offical announcement or cast and crew are spotted together on a set or location sometime in the coming months.

The fact that Fox scrapped any future X-men movies show they either know the Disney merger deal closure is fairly imminent and/or are confident the property will soon be in Disney's hands. When in Disney's possession, Disney has the ability to pause or scrap any movie Fox green-lit or put into production. Now there is a possibility Fox will simply keep pushing it back until it's in Disney's hands. I don't know what Disney's plans are for the x-men but Iger did say they will be integrated into the MCU, so you can bet they planned for it in advanced like they do all their stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they planned for it back in 2016, before they went into talks for a merger-acquisition which only started late last year.

 

[NotNickFury]

I'm fairly certain that whenever Bob Iger and Rupert Murdoch started having talks of acquisition, whenever that was, that the X-Men wasn't at the top of their list of priorities compared to, say, consolidation when competing with forces like Netflix or Amazon, but I suppose someone has to pretend that it was...

Also, unless you're going off that article from that blog that no one knew of before it posted about DP potentially being the last X-Men film, you already know that it isn't because X-Force goes into production this fall

 

[GuestStar2004]

The fact that Fox scrapped any future X-men movies show they either know the Disney merger deal closure is fairly imminent and/or are confident the property will soon be in Disney's hands.

Thats abit of an assumption based on very little at this point.

They are apparently filming X-FORCE this October so that one is already in the future X-Men movies slate, and will be produced by the same FOX team.

 

[Micromind]

You know, Comcast is also bidding for Fox Studios, and they are offering a price higher then Disney has, there's still a chance that Disney might not end-up buying Fox. Latest -

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/comcasts-last-ditch-plan-snatch-fox-disney-1107648

If they (Comcast) do end-up buying Fox Studios, they will have to make a deal with Disney if they want X-men to appear in MCU, similar to what Sony has done for Spider-man.

 

[Davidstorm]

I had seen a story last year talking about it
basically if shareholders prefer the offer of comcast, this will drag on for years.

 

[Drexelhand]

I had seen a story last year talking about it
basically if shareholders prefer the offer of comcast, this will drag on for years.

And I feel like a sizable number of shareholders will prefer the offer, because money, money, money. After all, a sale is just cashing out, really. This is why Feige might have said it'll happen when it happens.

 

[psylockolussus]

You know, Comcast is also bidding for Fox Studios, and they are offering a price higher then Disney has, there's still a chance that Disney might not end-up buying Fox. Latest -

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/comcasts-last-ditch-plan-snatch-fox-disney-1107648

If they (Comcast) do end-up buying Fox Studios, they will have to make a deal with Disney if they want X-men to appear in MCU, similar to what Sony has done for Spider-man.

Oh Comcast just give it up already.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Here we are again doing damage control, saying there will be no reshoots.

A big budget, tentpole movie from the last 5 years that hasn't had any reshoots is plenty rare. Some people have so much faith in first-time director Simon Kinberg (IN KINBERG WE TRUST!) that you gotta ask where this blind faith is coming from.

 

[fobi]

Here we are again doing damage control, saying there will be no reshoots.

A big budget, tentpole movie from the last 5 years that hasn't had any reshoots is plenty rare. Some people have so much faith in first-time director Simon Kinberg (IN KINBERG WE TRUST!) that you gotta ask where this blind faith is coming from.

Who said that?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Who said that?

Here:

I'd be very careful with claims like this. To say that Kinberg didn't plan ahead enough make this claim very dubious. Kinberg as a producer has been on films that have undergone re-shoots before, including x-men. He knows how that process works.

As for the re-shoots, none of this information really came from any official channels. If you remember, these rumors got started when Fox announced they were moving the release date. People began to speculate re-shoots were the reason why (since New Mutants were doing re-shoots) and started writing blog posts and webpage articles around that claim. But they seem to ignore that Fox was rearranging a lot of release dates for their films and tv shows, not just in the x-men franchise. We know New Mutants were undergoing re-shoots because certain cast members came forward to confirm it. But with Dark Phoenix, this is all based on rumors with certain "insider sources", not anything confirmed. And they all give conflicting accounts concerning the scale of the re-shoots, the amount of time to shoot it, the cost, what characters are involved.....putting into question how reliable the "insider sources" truly are because they are saying different things. So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it.

More importantly, this whole idea that we don’t and/or won’t know there will be reshoots because Fox hasn’t announced anything. Since when has Fox been forthcoming about this new Kinberg movie? If anything Fox has been very unusually secretive about Dark Phoenix with barely any casting announcements, save for Chastain, and even that I don’t think was even the studio. Even getting actors/actresses to delete social media posts. And now you expect them to announce reshoots and maybe even confirm the price tag of the reshoots? And if no announcements ever come that means they never actually happened?

 

[GuestStar2004]

On the Reshoots

“It’s normal for all these big movies now,” says Kinberg. “We’ll go back when we can get all those actors together

http://ew.com/movies/deadpool-2-upcoming-x-men-movies/#dark-phoenix-feb-14-2019

So basically whats already been said before.

 

[X-Maniac]

On the Reshoots



http://ew.com/movies/deadpool-2-upcoming-x-men-movies/#dark-phoenix-feb-14-2019

So basically whats already been said before.

It was pretty obvious there would be some reshoots, as on all major feature films.

It's also pretty obvious that the GoT filming schedule is going to affect Sophie Turner's availability.

The main point is the extent of the reshoots. THR's headline said 'major rehsoots' and the article text described reworking the third act. This sounds like much more than just a bit of additional filming to improve flow.

The big question then becomes: Why try to hide these 'major reshoots' and reworking of the third act?

 

[Frankeh]

Yeah, it's normal for all these big movies to not be able to meet their release date.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Reminds me of articles around the time of DOFP that described the reshoots that film was getting at the time as "big reshoots" and was gonna last a few weeks and the troubling implications on how much it would cost fox do the reshoots while also comparing it to other films saying reshoots ain't always bad sign.

Alot of that ended up being quite over exaggerated.

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/uh-oh-what-reshoots-cost-overruns-could-mean-x-men-days-future-past

 

[SumT]

the damage control on that new article is real lol
THR revealed the real deal, they have a direct source at Fox and Fox always send them the info on first hand. But now Kinberg is acting like its just the usual reshoots.

Yeah, sure, Mary Jane

on other hand, EW didnt mention the XMen push back, conveniently. While they did with NM, the movie Kinberg isnt directing. and the interview is to Kinberg. Coincidence? clearly not, lol.

 

[GuestStar2004]

on other hand, EW didnt mention the XMen push back, conveniently. While they did with NM, the movie Kinberg isnt directing. and the interview is to Kinberg. Coincidence? clearly not, lol.

He is a producer on New Mutants though. Not everything is a conspiracy.