Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[Jh7058622]

Is there no quality control?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well this is how the Deadpool team decided on the character

“ She’s a super-minor character. The character’s name is actually Yukio, an assassin — but who’s an adult assassin, so we just aged her down. She’s such a minor character, we thought we could pretty much get away with anything.”

Wernick said, “Fox has a bible of all 400-plus characters that they have rights to. We generally, when we’re building out a movie, look at that list, and kind of go through and go, ‘Oh yeah, yes, yes, no, love that name, oh those powers are cool,’ and we build that cast that way. Yukio jumped out at us as just a character we would love to see further explored.”

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/19/deadpool-2-writers-clarify-who-yukio-is/

When they say fox are very supportive, what i think they mean is that FOX give them the go ahead on alot of things.

 

[marcvader]

Yukio jumped out at them? Really?

 

[Orba]

I would hardly call her a "super-minor character" she was a big part of the original classic Claremont/Miller Wolverine limited series, and she was the one who inspired Storm to get a Mohawk.

 

[DACrowe]

I would hardly call her a "super-minor character" she was a big part of the original classic Claremont/Miller Wolverine limited series, and she was the one who inspired Storm to get a Mohawk.

All true... but I totally forgot most of that (certainly the mohawk bit) until you mentioned it, and I grew up reading X-Men stories. To most moviegoers, that is definitely super-minor. Whereas if they had made Storm or Jubilee or Kitty Negasonic's lesbian lover... well, you know how the internet fandom reacts to just changing Domino's skin color.

 

[DACrowe]

So human in the comics yet Fox have given her a different Mutant power set in each of her film appearances.

I'm of a few minds of this.

A) It is kind of ridiculous this happened, even maybe more so than two Calibans about a year apart.

and

B) This thread and maybe a subreddit are the only people in the universe who'll care.

and actually

C) I liked both Yukios in their separate films. And they're both different enough that it is just easy to treat them as two separate characters. Because they basically are.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Wernick said, “Fox has a bible of all 400-plus characters that they have rights to. We generally, when we’re building out a movie, look at that list, and kind of go through and go, ‘Oh yeah, yes, yes, no, love that name, oh those powers are cool,’ and we build that cast that way. Yukio jumped out at us as just a character we would love to see further explored.”

This quote ^^^

and James Mangold’s (The Wolverine/Logan director’s) quote about the two Calibans:

“It’s a funny, messy story of how so often these things are not as coordinated as everyone thinks. I actually had written him into our movie, and they didn’t know [he was] in Apocalypse, and then they kind of wrote it in their movie, and they cast someone in their movie and I had not seen it and was working away on mine.”

pretty much summarizes the X-men franchise under Fox.

 

[DACrowe]

^^^

Again, you're not wrong. That quote is entirely accurate, especially about Fox. With that said, we also got under Fox and in that "miscommunication," Logan, one of the finest superhero movies ever made and the first one nominated for a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar.

Honestly, I feel like the X-fandom has lost the ability to like anything until the merger happens.

 

[Jh7058622]

^^^

Again, you're not wrong. That quote is entirely accurate, especially about Fox. With that said, we also got under Fox and in that "miscommunication," Logan, one of the finest superhero movies ever made and the first one nominated for a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar.

Honestly, I feel like fandom sometimes misses the forest for the trees.

You are so right in every way. This fandom can be just as self destructive as they claim FOX is.

 

[EnDz0n3]

(1) Who said it was ONLY a bad thing? You read into it what you wanted to hear. X2 remains my favourite superhero/comic book movie of all time.
(2) A fanboy (or fangirl) ‘s “self destructive” ism is not on the same level as a whole studio’s (Fox’s).

The former (fanboys/fangirls) could mean they skip a movie because they hate the direction the studio is taking their favourite characters. It could also mean they post on a message board their true feelings about said franchise. Why some people are so bothered by “negative” posts from others I can never understand.

The latter on the other hand (studio/Fox in this example) can produce trash like X3, Fant4stic, Origins and now Apocalypse.

And you claim that’s equal footing destructive?

 

[DACrowe]

I don't know about destructive. But coming in day in and day out, convinced everything you hear is a sign of doom doesn't seem very pleasant. To put it another way, yes Apocalypse is a disappointment (although it strangely gets some things right that previous X-films have not, it just doesn't matter because it's a mediocre movie).

But since then we had Logan and Deadpool 2. In fact, Deadpool 2 just opened this weekend and is getting raves. Yet, coming in here finds the same old song about doom and gloom. A clearly fake image of Dacre Montgomery as Logan in Dark Phoenix shows up on reddit and--even though it took all of two minutes to prove it was fake--everyone around here believed it was true because it looked bad and used it as further evidence that they are justified to hate this movie.

It is in its own small way self-destructive, and certainly draining.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Then block people? The Mods have, time and again, told us here to put people on IGNORE. If negative posts bother certain people so much, do what the MODS have instructed ALL of us to do.

That’s not my own made up rule. I do whatever I want to do with MY OWN FREE TIME. If you are easily annoyed from reading what other people post on a message board, then sorry I can’t help you.

 

[Mad Ones]

Yukio should have been Noriko (Surge). Surge is Japanese teenage mutant with blue hair and electricity powers (sound familiar?). It would have been a great opportunity to give an Academy X kid some publicity.

I loved DP2 btw

 

[EnDz0n3]

Yukio should have been Noriko (Surge). Surge is Japanese teenage mutant with blue hair and electricity powers (sound familiar?). It would have been a great opportunity to give an Academy X kid some publicity.

I loved DP2 btw

I think most people figured she was going to be either Surge, maybe even Armor or strangely enough Jubilee.

 

[X-Maniac]

That quote is entirely accurate, especially about Fox. With that said, we also got under Fox and in that "miscommunication," Logan, one of the finest superhero movies ever made and the first one nominated for a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar.

That quote makes the film-makers/studio look clueless and amateurish. What Wernick said is nothing for anyone to be proud of. It's pretty shocking really. Such a poor knowledge of the source material!

Sometimes this idiotic decision-making works out okay but many times it doesn't.

It explains why the timeline and continuity are so messy; the repeated characters, WTF character deaths and the changes to characters' powers - and why people are increasingly fed up with it.

Honestly, I feel like the X-fandom has lost the ability to like anything until the merger happens.

Most people love X2 and DoFP.

I can also find things I like in X-Men: Apocalypse and X3, but overall there is the sense of a studio not really immersed in the material and with only the most superficial knowledge of it. That's not good.

Fox makes these poor decisions and mistakes over and over, and the X-Men really do need to be in better hands.

We all thought the timeline reset of DoFP would see a better approach but then we got X-Men Apocalypse right afterwards showing nothing had really changed at all.

 

[DACrowe]

Then block people? The Mods have, time and again, told us here to put people on IGNORE. If negative posts bother certain people so much, do what the MODS have instructed ALL of us to do.

That’s not my own made up rule. I do whatever I want to do with MY OWN FREE TIME. If you are easily annoyed from reading what other people post on a message board, then sorry I can’t help you.

That wasn't my point. But fine, I'll leave it be.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sometimes this idiotic decision-making works out okay but many times it doesn't.
.

What the X-VERSE does has resulted in what many people feel are quality films.

7 FOX movies well received. X1,X2,FC,DOFP,Logan,Deadpool,Deadpool 2

X3,Origins and apocalypse falling under that. The Wolverine i ain't sure about but it doesn't often get all that highly rated.

 

[DACrowe]

That quote makes the film-makers/studio look clueless and amateurish. What Wernick said is nothing for anyone to be proud of. It's pretty shocking really. Such a poor knowledge of the source material!

Sometimes this idiotic decision-making works out okay but many times it doesn't.

It explains why the timeline and continuity are so messy; the repeated characters, WTF character deaths and the changes to characters' powers - and why people are increasingly fed up with it.



Most people love X2 and DoFP.

I can also find things I like in X-Men: Apocalypse and X3, but overall there is the sense of a studio not really immersed in the material and with only the most superficial knowledge of it. That's not good.

Fox makes these poor decisions and mistakes over and over, and the X-Men really do need to be in better hands.

We all thought the timeline reset of DoFP would see a better approach but then we got X-Men Apocalypse right afterwards showing nothing had really changed at all.

I see all of your points and I agree with a fair number of them. These movies do not put a high priority on continuity. I actually don't either, but I know a lot of fans do, and I think after the success of the MCU more do than ever before. The irony to me is that continuity should not be the priority unto itself. If it was Logan would be terrible, but it is in fact brilliant.

I do agree that it will be nice to have the X-films in the hands of people who know the comics better (I actually think the Deadpool writers seem quite fluent, even by MCU standards, but they're playing by different rules). I also agree that Lauren Shuler Donner, Bryan Singer, and Simon Kinberg (although to a lesser extent from what I've read) don't really fully immerse themselves in the comics.

I just think that isn't the only way to evaluate these movies. And while Apocalypse was a disappointment, I actually think it hewed closer to the comics than before, it just didn't matter because it was mediocre. And in any case, I do think DOFP showed a change of mindset, because we then got the two Deadpools and Logans after. I am just open to see where this experimentation will lead. Though it is all kind of moot now.

At this point, I am just hoping for it to find a graceful end in DP and hopefully X-Force.

 

[EnDz0n3]

That wasn't my point. But fine, I'll leave it be.

No I got your point. You’re saying what I’m doing ain’t pleasant, which in a way, was calling me unpleasant. It’s draining (to me? To you? Who knows?). You open your reply with “I wouldn’t call it destructive” what I’m doing, but you end your thesis about me and my ilk as, in a small way, self-destructive.

I’m not gonna tell you to stop posting bul...things...like that. It’s YOUR FREE TIME. DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT.

But I’m just gonna correct the record and say I’m fine. Please stop worrying about me.

 

[EnDz0n3]

That quote makes the film-makers/studio look clueless and amateurish. What Wernick said is nothing for anyone to be proud of. It's pretty shocking really. Such a poor knowledge of the source material!

The funniest part about both quotes is that both (DP2 writers and Mangold) has to spell it out to the interviewer. This is mostly information that even the most casual of fans can pick up on. The lack of planning.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope it's a fake. Taron Egerton is the new Wolverine <3

He's more fitting as Jimmy Hudson.

Funny you bring up wonky Wolverine timeline.. the writers of Deadpool 2 just confirmed the Yukio from DP2 is the Yukio from the comics, aka Yukio from The Wolverine.. I'm pretty sure they're unaware she already made her movie debut, as they claimed she did in DP2 .. jesus christ..

Oh dear. So basically another character retcon or whatever term that can be used for this.

 

[psyonic]

What the X-VERSE does has resulted in what many people feel are quality films.

7 FOX movies well received. X1,X2,FC,DOFP,Logan,Deadpool,Deadpool 2

X3,Origins and apocalypse falling under that. The Wolverine i ain't sure about but it doesn't often get all that highly rated.

The Wolverine was mostly good, until the final act.. giant samurai robot and Viper shredding her skin/hair lol..

 

[JP]

Funny you bring up wonky Wolverine timeline.. the writers of Deadpool 2 just confirmed the Yukio from DP2 is the Yukio from the comics, aka Yukio from The Wolverine.. I'm pretty sure they're unaware she already made her movie debut, as they claimed she did in DP2 .. jesus christ..

Jesus Christ. I thought her name being Yukio was just the writers being ra--, err, tone deaf. Didn't realize it was because she was ACTUALLY Yukio.

**** this series.

 

[kevork89]

What the X-VERSE does has resulted in what many people feel are quality films.

7 FOX movies well received. X1,X2,FC,DOFP,Logan,Deadpool,Deadpool 2

X3,Origins and apocalypse falling under that. The Wolverine i ain't sure about but it doesn't often get all that highly rated.

The Wolverine was received well enough that it doesn’t get mentioned alongside Origins, Last Stand or Apocalypse.

Although Apocalypse shouldn’t even be mentioned with Last Stand or Origins. Those were horrid movies. Apocalypse was just basic and middle of the pack.

 

[psylockolussus]

Apocalypse is worse than X3.