Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Charzhin0]

She would switch only for money reasons; not because she prefers MCU and not for personal accolades for acting. She would not be allowed to act anywhere as deep as she claims to have in Dark Phoneix. And if you want to be nominated and or win prestigious awards, then Fox and WB with Nolan are the studios to do it with, not Disney.

 

[marcvader]

or an actor would switch for the opportunity to work with someone in particular.

 

[BaronZemo]

She would switch only for money reasons; not because she prefers MCU and not for personal accolades for acting. She would not be allowed to act anywhere as deep as she claims to have in Dark Phoneix. And if you want to be nominated and or win prestigious awards, then Fox and WB with Nolan are the studios to do it with, not Disney.

Nolan isn't doing cbms anymore and i don't remember a single actor working on a Fox cbm to have won any significant award so what are you talking about?

There are various MCU actors praised for their performances and they got doors opened for them that are worth 10 Oscars.

 

[Charzhin0]

Nolan isn't doing cbms anymore and i don't remember a single actor working on a Fox cbm to have won any significant award so what are you talking about?

There are various MCU actors praised for their performances and they got doors opened for them that are worth 10 Oscars.

Point is, you're more likely to be nominated at the very least for an Academy Award at a Fox/WB production. Thats just facts, because their films are generally more artistically inclined. There was strong indications that Patrick Stewart could have been nommed best supporting actor in Logan.

Sophie Turner, from her words, is in a unique drama heavy film which apparently deals in depth the issues of mental illness. Now if she gives a performance similar to James McAvoys story arc in DOFP, she could very well be recognized with it at awards seasons, especially if this delivers to be the "revolutionary entry in the comic book genre" as theyve *claimed*.

I dont think Disney really gets in depth into personal story arcs like Logan or DOFP which explored issues of alcoholism and suicide. No MCU film or actor has got any buzz about winning any top level award, which isn't a slant because their films are for mass consumption.

 

[Jh7058622]

That's stupid. She was clearly asked if she would join the MCU and you except any sensible person to say no or nothing? especially a young actress. Don't be ridiculous. Those people aren't detached from reality, they would jump ship immediately if asked. Just ask Laurence Fishburne.

What's "stupid" is pontificating on something that will most likely never come to fruition. From what I understand Sophie loves Jean because she grew up watching the cartoon not because it was the "MCU is so cool omg!" mentality you seem to believe everyone has.

My point wasn't she shouldn't have an opinion clearly. I'm just saying as a fan of hers and the other women to keep them from having to eat crow in the future they shouldn't make as bold of statements until they know more about the deal moving forward (unless they already do which is doubtful).

As the old adage goes: it's better to remain silent and look a fool than to open ones mouth and remove any doubt.

 

[Charzhin0]

or an actor would switch for the opportunity to work with someone in particular.

Yes, this is also a good reason. As Hugh Jackman has already said hed love to work with RDJ and Chris Evans.

 

[Jh7058622]

Nolan isn't doing cbms anymore and i don't remember a single actor working on a Fox cbm to have won any significant award so what are you talking about?

There are various MCU actors praised for their performances and they got doors opened for them that are worth 10 Oscars.

What are you going on about? It's true Disney isn't making Oscar bait films your deflecting anger is telling. Also why must you derail this thread with your Disney vs. FOX schtick?

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[BaronZemo]

Point is, you're more likely to be nominated at the very least for an Academy Award at a Fox/WB production. Thats just facts, because their films are generally more artistically inclined. There was strong indications that Patrick Stewart could have been nommed best supporting actor in Logan.

Sophie Turner, from her words, is in a unique drama heavy film which apparently deals in depth the issues of mental illness. Now if she gives a performance similar to James McAvoys story arc in DOFP, she could very well be recognized with it at awards seasons, especially if this delivers to be the "revolutionary entry in the comic book genre" as theyve *claimed*.

I dont think Disney really gets in depth into personal story arcs like Logan or DOFP which explored issues of alcoholism and suicide. No MCU film or actor has got any buzz about winning any top level award, which isn't a slant because their films are for mass consumption.

No, there is no such point. No actor in the majority of WB/DC never got close to get any serious award buzz. Do you honestly believe the DCEU is associated with "heavy and character drama"? LOL

And you have no idea hat DP will be like. Turner can say whatever she wants. There isn't an more prestige in the Fox Marvel films than there is in the MCU. All universes are snubbed in the process.

And i got news for you. All Fox Marvel films are for mass consumption as well....

 

[Jh7058622]

No, there is no such point. No actor in the majority of WB/DC never got close to get any serious award buzz. Do you honestly believe the DCEU is associated with "heavy and character drama"? LOL

And you have no idea hat DP will be like. Turner can say whatever she wants. There isn't an more prestige in the Fox Marvel films than there is in the MCU. All universes are snubbed in the process.

And i got news for you. All Fox Marvel films are for mass consumption as well....

Wonder Woman and Logan had an Academy Awards campaign because of their interest in both films technically and creatively. Logan actually received an academy award for screenwriting end (the only cbm to ever accomplish that). Disney has not and probably will not anytime in the near future get these kind of considerations. Also Suicide Squad recieved an AA also.

 

[Charzhin0]

No, there is no such point. No actor in the majority of WB/DC never got close to get any serious award buzz. Do you honestly believe the DCEU is associated with "heavy and character drama"? LOL

And you have no idea hat DP will be like. Turner can say whatever she wants. There isn't an more prestige in the Fox Marvel films than there is in the MCU. All universes are snubbed in the process.

And i got news for you. All Fox Marvel films are for mass consumption as well....

We are departing too far from the original point. Facts are that WB and Fox have nominations and wins in their favour for their comic based films, Disney hasnt and hasnt come close because their films are not Oscar-artistic enough. That being said, the only reason Sophie Turner would say shed love to be in a Marvel movie is for monetary reasons or that she wants to work with one of their cast, NOT for personal career progression.

 

[SumT]

Hmm... talking about Ant-Man and Thor "mediocre" box Office performance in the X-Men movie thread does not look good for the X-franchise.

This board is funny sometimes
Antman 2 having a better opening than XMA is a big slap in the face of Fox and the X-Men. Really sad

So much for Jennifer Lawrence and Fsssbender power
But here we have Kinberg and Fox calling them once again. They are so clueless of the GA opinion of this franchise

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't like when they fuel the fires like that. Lawrence, Shipp and Turner just should say nothing in regards to Disney.

Its not a big deal tbh. Most of the actors or creative minds have said at some point they would like to do a crossover with the Avengers.

But then Elizabeth Olsen has even said she would love to have Michael Fassbenders Magneto as Scarlett witches father... does that mean she is stabbing the MCU in the back? some fans would probably think so yeah purely because she hasn't shown any biased towards the fox verse.

they would jump ship immediately if asked. Just ask Laurence Fishburne.

Well in the past its sounds like Idris Elba certainly would too.

 

[BaronZemo]

Its not a big deal tbh. Most of the actors or creative minds have said at some point they would like to do a crossover with the Avengers.

But then Elizabeth Olsen has even said she would love to have Michael Fassbenders Magneto as Scarlett witches father... does that mean she is stabbing the MCU in the back? some fans would probably think so yeah purely because she hasn't shown any biased towards the fox verse.



Well in the past its sounds like Idris Elba certainly would too.

The same Idris Elba hat said he would love to do more MCU and he hopes his role is expanded in the future? That Idris Elba?

 

[BaronZemo]

We are departing too far from the original point. Facts are that WB and Fox have nominations and wins in their favour for their comic based films, Disney hasnt and hasnt come close because their films are not Oscar-artistic enough. That being said, the only reason Sophie Turner would say shed love to be in a Marvel movie is for monetary reasons or that she wants to work with one of their cast, NOT for personal career progression.

The majority of Fox and WB comic book movies are critically panned. Only Dark Knight came close one movie in over 90 attempts. The rep of both Fox and WB films is nothing close to artistic. I can make an exception about Logan BUT THATS IT. That's not a rule, it's the extreme exception.

Second OF COURSE TURNER SEES THE MCU AS CAREER PROGRESSION. The MCU opens doors. It makes actors more highly demanded and popular. Ask Hemsworth, pratt, Olsen etc. That IS CAREER PROGRESSION. They wouldn't have the opportunities to do indies if not fo the MCU. You got it all wrong.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The same Idris Elba hat said he would love to do more MCU and he hopes his role is expanded in the future? That Idris Elba?

Yes that same Idris Elba who said it was "torture" working with Marvel.

But hey least he is free to grab for John Stewart now at WB ;P, well unless he was that biased towards changing ship.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Second OF COURSE TURNER SEES THE MCU AS CAREER PROGRESSION. The MCU opens doors. It makes actors more highly demanded and popular.

Actually there is no change at all. alot of the X-Men actors started out as no names before they did X-Men. Now alot of them are getting film roles by the dozen.

The MCU doesn't do anything to change that. One of the issues with RDJ is that he is so well known for Iron man that once he stops playing the role he will need to keep his career at float and the only other project there is for him currently is sherlock holmes 3. perhaps James Cameron will get him in one of his movies like he hopes but he certainly isn't that wanted beyond tony stark.

Jeremy Renner is doing ok. he struggling as a leading man in films but at least he is a known name.

 

[Jh7058622]

Its not a big deal tbh. Most of the actors or creative minds have said at some point they would like to do a crossover with the Avengers.

But then Elizabeth Olsen has even said she would love to have Michael Fassbenders Magneto as Scarlett witches father... does that mean she is stabbing the MCU in the back? some fans would probably think so yeah purely because she hasn't shown any biased towards the fox verse.



Well in the past its sounds like Idris Elba certainly would too.

I didn't like when Elizabeth did it either especially because she isn't even the same character she is in the comics backstorywise wo ever cultivate such a thing. Again if any of these actors would look at the situation logistically it would clearly map out that they can't get this to happen.

 

[Zarex]

I dont think Disney really gets in depth into personal story arcs like Logan or DOFP which explored issues of alcoholism and suicide. No MCU film or actor has got any buzz about winning any top level award, which isn't a slant because their films are for mass consumption.

Christopher Nolan disagrees.

https://deadline.com/2018/03/oscars...y-oldman-eva-marie-saint-analysis-1202311545/

Yes that same Idris Elba who said it was "torture" working with Marvel.

Idris Elba disagrees.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/idris...mi-mandela-and-selling-weed-to-dave-chappelle

 

[EnDz0n3]

She would switch only for money reasons; not because she prefers MCU and not for personal accolades for acting. She would not be allowed to act anywhere as deep as she claims to have in Dark Phoneix. And if you want to be nominated and or win prestigious awards, then Fox and WB with Nolan are the studios to do it with, not Disney.

You don’t know any of the above. Especially the bolded parts. Please stop pretending like you do.

Besides one of the two studios in the latter part of your statement will go the way of the dodo soon. Then what happens to Fox’s Superhero Studio’s imaginary Oscars?

 

[1627523]

Whats this argument that the MCU launches careers. If that's true than I shouldn't still be waiting for ma boi Anthony Mackie to join the fast & furious franchise. Make it happen DIESEL! Tye Sheridan alone at this point pretty much accomplished more in his career than 1/3 of the MCU actors can ever hope to dream for. I love the MCU, but lets not act like the MCU is a shortcut to stardom or anything. Idris elba career is pretty much floundering with the MCU's help. I like the MCU actors, but I wish they would branch out more. Just look at Chris Hensworth, ScarJo, and Jeremy Renner. They have the right idea. It's annoying to see talented actors get pigeon holed.

 

[Jh7058622]

Also Chris Evans has done about zero to enhance his career outside of the MCU bubble.

People trying to say once you get in a Disney Marvel film you'll win an Oscar because Hollywood will put you in all their top tier films.

Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence and Ellen Page actually has had Oscar nominations since staring in the X-Men films though...
[In fact only half didn't get the award and Jennifer won multiple times]

*sips tea quietly*

 

[EnDz0n3]

Sophie Turner, from her words, is in a unique drama heavy film which apparently deals in depth the issues of mental illness. Now if she gives a performance similar to James McAvoys story arc in DOFP, she could very well be recognized with it at awards seasons, especially if this delivers to be the "revolutionary entry in the comic book genre" as theyve *claimed*.

Where do you guys get this blind faith from? I really do want to know.

 

[Elayis]

I don't view educating on film-making processes as exhausting. Others receiving that info might I guess, but that's on them....

It's your holier-than-thou attitude that gets old. Being condescending and passive aggressive, especially when making assumptions about other people, is counter productive and off-putting.

Movies happen to be a passion of mine, so I know a great deal about the industry and how the process works. So "educating" me about filmmaking is not only unnecessary but laughable.

I wonder, though, do you happen to be on the spectrum? Because you seem to take things a bit too literally, and go off on unrelated, excessive digressions. I don't mean to offend, just genuinely curious.

 

[Link]

Oh dear god it's ugly here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Also Chris Evans has done about zero to enhance his career outside of the MCU bubble.

People trying to say once you get in a Disney Marvel film you'll win an Oscar because Hollywood will put you in all their top tier films.

Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellan, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence and Ellen Page actually has had Oscar nominations since staring in the X-Men films though...
[In fact only half didn't get the award and Jennifer won multiple times]

*sips tea quietly*

Chris Evans got to direct a movie, which was a goal of his. He isn't a guy looking to be in a million movies. He's actually fairly selective now because early in his career he was in a lot of crap.