Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[EnDz0n3]

Quoting news articles? How about these?

One of the complications of getting daily box office updates, especially over the weekend, is that what looks like a solid weekend number in a vacuum may actually be less impressive both compared to initial estimates and when factoring in the Friday numbers. Walt Disney’s Ant-Man and the Wasp topped the box office this weekend with $76 million. That’s a fine start for a $160m-budgeted action comedy. But that $76m debut was from a $33.8m opening day and a $11.5m Thursday preview launch. Point being, Ant-Man and the Wasp was exceptionally frontloaded this weekend, especially for a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...st-mcu-marvel-paul-rudd-evangeline-lilly/amp/

here are two ways to look at the opening day for Walt Disney’s Ant-Man and the Wasp. First, you can note that the $33.8 million Friday gross (including $11.5m in Thursday previews) is the smallest opening day for an MCU sequel since the $31m debut of Thor: The Dark World back in 2013. Heck, adjusted for inflation, it’s about tied with the “inflated” $34.9m opening day for Thor 2. It’s way under the $40m-$42m “adjusted for inflation” opening days of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy back in 2014. Marvel’s tiniest franchise, this sequel cost “just” $160m to produce, remains, by default, their smallest franchise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...e-wasp-marvel-paul-rudd-evangeline-lilly/amp/

Going back to actually talking about X-men and *NOT* Ant-man nor Ant-man and the Wasp, here's what the writer of the article you're quoting here says about the X-men franchise back in 2016, including his assessment of the the First Class cast:

I’ve already offered a few suggestions. In short, ditch Magneto for a while, don’t pretzel the narrative to showcase Wolverine, highlight the fan-favorite characters who aren’t white dudes, and stop making every team X-Men movie a glorified TV pilot which promises a fully-formed team X-Men movie next time out. Of the “Our contract is up!” cast members, only James McAvoy’s Professor Xavier is essential as a constant presence. Give him a raise and let the rest come or go as they please.

 

[def28]

People are trying to make sense of the box office when really its far more unpredictable then its let on to be. Solo: A Star Wars Story probably has one of the most surprising box office outcomes that no one would have ever guessed would happen.

And as much as we thought Deadpool 2 was gonna have a significant boosted increase at the box office because of the success of the first one it pretty much made around just under what the first one made. well around 50 - 60 mil less anyway. and now everyone is more or less hoping X-Force gets the increase everyone expected.

Disappointing/bad flicks (XMA,BvS,JL, ASM2, Elektra, Catwoman) or films audiences have no interest in don't perform well. Not a surprise. Are there exceptions... sure? These debates usually come in the form of fan bias though. "Don't say a franchise is better then mine!" It's not" And then excuses. Look, XMA was disappointing. X3 was disappointing. XMO was disappointing. The creatives have not made the actual X-Men (the most marketable aspect of X-Men) the leads well enough. The X-Men franchise has had a history of highs and lows which puts the box office and audiences in a confused state. Especially now that it is decades old. A toy of Raven, Beast and Prof X won't change those problems.

Star Wars is taking heat because of the diverse reaction of TLJ and nobody really asking for Solo. Let alone when it had such bad wom through production. TFA hype is long gone, they can't play that hype hand again unless it's gone for another decade. Maybe, Star Wars films every year isn't the best thing? Who knows there.

 

[marcvader]

Except for the “highlight the fan-favorite characters who aren’t white dudes” part, I agree.

 

[Lip]

Except for the “highlight the fan-favorite characters who aren’t white dudes” part, I agree.

You don't agree Storm, Kitty, Rogue, Psylocke, Jean, Jubilee deserve to be highlighted? When they've been very important to the X-Men over the decades?

 

[marcvader]

You don't agree Storm, Kitty, Rogue, Psylocke, Jean, Jubilee deserve to be highlighted? When they've been very important to the X-Men over the decades?

I went those characters highlighted along with Scott Summers who as of yet not really been highlighted appropriately in my opinion.

 

[def28]

Yeah, need Scott.

 

[Lip]

Got it. We all want Scott to be treated right.

I think the major problem, and what that author is probably referring to, is that the non-white-male characters are neglected to give the white males the spotlight.

Jean's story being reduced to Logan's pain in X3 is probably the best example. But there is also Logan taking Kitty's role in another iconic storyline in DoFP. Or Storm being neglected every movie, etc...

 

[EnDz0n3]

Except for the “highlight the fan-favorite characters who aren’t white dudes” part, I agree.

Forgot to include the Forbes' link. To be fair Scott Mendelson has never been a fan of these movies (I've unfollowed him on Twitter many moons ago), but since his articles have been quoted here, I think it's only fair to bring up a fairly sound assessment why these X-men movies (THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD) haven't really blown up.

 

[marcvader]

Got it. We all want Scott to be treated right.

I think the major problem, and what that author is probably referring to, is that the non-white-male characters are neglected to give the white males the spotlight.

Jean's story being reduced to Logan's pain in X3 is probably the best example. But there is also Logan taking Kitty's role in another iconic storyline in DoFP. Or Storm being neglected every movie, etc...

I agree.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Star Wars is taking heat because of the diverse reaction of TLJ and nobody really asking for Solo. Let alone when it had such bad wom through production. TFA hype is long gone, they can't play that hype hand again unless it's gone for another decade. Maybe, Star Wars films every year isn't the best thing? Who knows there.

It's still star wars. Even at it's worst it probably should have broke 400 million.

It's certainly something no one see coming. And i guess episode 9 will be the real answer to whether TLJ really hurt the franchise that much or not.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmm... talking about Ant-Man and Thor "mediocre" box Office performance in the X-Men movie thread does not look good for the X-franchise. Because with the exception of DoFP Thor 2 outgrossed every X-Men movie. The first Ant-Man outgrossed almost all of them, and Apocalypse cost much more. If their performance is "mediocre at best", what does that mean for the whole X-Men franchise box office performance?

And I honestly don't think Dark Phoenix will outgross DoFP. At all. I don't even think it will outgross XMA.

It would be lucky to get 1/3 of Infinity War'sbox office! And like c'mon comparing Ant-Man to the X-Men? The fact that Ant-Man out grossed Apocalypse and Ant-Man 2 got a bigger opening weekend than Apocalypse shows that Fox hasn't lived up to the X-Men's true potential. The X-Men should make money as big as the Avengers, after all the X-Men used to be Marvel's #1 superhero team.

Anyway, can't wait how the Sdcc crowd react when Kinberg enters the stage and introduced as the director.

 

[Jh7058622]

Going back to actually talking about X-men and *NOT* Ant-man nor Ant-man and the Wasp, here's what the writer of the article you're quoting here says about the X-men franchise back in 2016, including his assessment of the the First Class cast:

I wasn't the one that brought it up but keep acting morally superior with your 5th grader condescension. I was just replyingw to what someone's post said without quoting.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yeah, need Scott.

Agreed I hope he is highlighted in XDP.

 

[Frankeh]

I think some people didn't care to see Han Solo not being played by Harrison Ford. Or an origin story for Han Solo. I expect a similar reaction if Leia is recast. When it comes to Star Wars IMHO the novelty of continuing the Original Trilogy after so many years is gone so the TFA box office might not be replicated. Although maybe Episode IX makes more money than TLJ.

My personal feelings aside, I don't think Apocalypse is considered ruinous enough to drive people away from seeing Dark Phoenix, I think it's more of a case of will there be enough hype for it? I think Apocalypse already had trouble generating as much excitement as DOFP. Isn't that why they screened the movie early? So, coming off a dissappointing entry that didn't even set the box office on fire, they have to work it to get butts in the seats. Lack of Jackman (+ Original Cast) might have something to do with it, and don't @ me.

 

[def28]

Agreed I hope he is highlighted in XDP.

 

[psylockolussus]

The shtick of the X-Men in their younger days is just not appealing. It didn't grab the audience with First Class. Dofp's draw was the original gang returning together. Like if Dofp didn't feature the original cast and it featured different characters/actors, I doubt it would have earned 740 million plus worldwide. And Apocalypse further proved that having Jlaw plastered in every marketing piece isn't gonna persuade everyone to watch the film. Obviously Fox has Already committed having the X-Men stuck in the past and Hugh already quit the role, so they are kinda stuck doing this 90s movie. Had they decided things differently post Dofp, things for the X-Men would have been more eXciting to all audiences.

 

[Lip]

I think some people didn't care to see Han Solo not being played by Harrison Ford. Or an origin story for Han Solo. I expect a similar reaction if Leia is recast. When it comes to Star Wars IMHO the novelty of continuing the Original Trilogy after so many years is gone so the TFA box office might not be replicated. Although maybe Episode IX makes more money than TLJ.

I wonder if the Solo performance affected the Gambit solo movie, a movie that not only the fans weren't asking for but also some are strongly against it.

And Han Solo is a far, far more popular character than Gambit.

My personal feelings aside, I don't think Apocalypse is considered ruinous enough to drive people away from seeing Dark Phoenix, I think it's more of a case of will there be enough hype for it? I think Apocalypse already had trouble generating as much excitement as DOFP. Isn't that why they screened the movie early? So, coming off a dissappointing entry that didn't even set the box office on fire, they have to work it to get butts in the seats. Lack of Jackman (+ Original Cast) might have something to do with it, and don't @ me.

I think there is also the "elephant in the room", which is the Disney deal. Basically every entertaiment website bring up the rights of the Marvel characters when there is any news about the deal. I think it's undeniable that the Marvel rights have become a huge topic of conversation when this deal was announced. So people are aware of that.

The question is, will it affect it more positively with the posibility of being the last movie of this franchise generating a good hype, or people won't care much about watching a movie from an inconsistent franchise that will be rebooted anyway.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Gambit movie was dead even before Solo underperformed.

Dark PhoeniX would end up like The Amazing Soider-Man 2. Kinberg deserves that for ruining this franchise.

 

[Jh7058622]

I wonder if the Solo performance affected the Gambit solo movie, a movie that not only the fans weren't asking for but also some are strongly against it.

And Han Solo is a far, far more popular character than Gambit.

I really hope they DON'T make Gambit but if they do I'm hoping for the best as Channing really loves that character.

I think there is also the "elephant in the room", which is the Disney deal. Basically every entertaiment website bring up the rights of the Marvel characters when there is any news about the deal. I think it's undeniable that the Marvel rights have become a huge topic of conversation when this deal was announced. So people are aware of that.

The question is, will it affect it more positively with the posibility of being the last movie of this franchise generating a good hype, or people won't care much about watching a movie from an inconsistent franchise that will be rebooted anyway.

I think many overestimates how many people actually pay attention to that merger mumbo jumbo as most don't know they are not the same film universe anyway.

 

[HunBoy]

Sophie Turner says she wants to join the Avengers...

 

[BaronZemo]

Fox hasn't merchandise for X-Men films, with no Hasbro action figures for any of the Fox Studios. Looking at a Marvel toy database there have been no X-Men movie toys since Wolverine Origins and X2. MCU toys everywhere, no X-Men promotions from toy aisles. It was said that Marvel Comics wasn't promoting their X-Men characters as much anymore because they don't own the movie license.

And that's the reason why the MCU is more successful. Not because they are "better". MCU-Fox Box Office comparison is unfair.

They are considered better. Attributing the MCU's success in merchandise and toy sales is naive. People like toys BECAUSE they are invested in the characters the TOYS ARE BASED ON.


And as other people have said DP didn't need toys or merchandise to be a runway hit (the first one at least). You are just finding excuses. People generally regard the MCU as much more exciting of a universe than Fox's take. They characters resonate more.

 

[BaronZemo]

Sophie Turner says she wants to join the Avengers...

Yeah, tell her that DP is the last time she is playing Jean lol....

 

[Jh7058622]

I don't like when they fuel the fires like that. Lawrence, Shipp and Turner just should say nothing in regards to Disney.

 

[BaronZemo]

I don't like when they fuel the fires like that. Lawrence, Shipp and Turner just should say nothing in regards to Disney.

That's stupid. She was clearly asked if she would join the MCU and you except any sensible person to say no or nothing? especially a young actress. Don't be ridiculous. Those people aren't detached from reality, they would jump ship immediately if asked. Just ask Laurence Fishburne.

 

[marcvader]

I think it's the studios job to tell its actors if the subject matter can be broached or not. It's not their responsibility to stay quiet about other characters belonging to another studio when evidently they've been asked by a reporter..