Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Drexelhand]

Until you can provide a link from 1999 showing McKellen’s X-men casting announcement that shows fans’ reactions like so or like so, then I just think you’re disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing (similar to your “You shut yo mouth” trolling from before).

You're not special m'boy, I don't disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing. As for my 'trolling', that was a joke. The only one playing you is yourself.

 

[Cktopl33]

Probably cause Ottman realized in the cutting room that it makes zero ****ing sense for Scott to do this without getting noticed by the people they're hiding from!!!


#Kinberg

Don't think that's why it was changed since soon after, Jean telepathically shielded their position from soldiers who literally walked feet from where they were hiding. So, it wouldn't have matter. I think it was re-shot to give a more emotional performance to Cyclops. Either that or the shot likely might not have looked right, and thus edited out. Story-wise, he's still reacting to the realization that his brother is dead. These shots are just two different types of reactions that Singer likely made for editing choices.

 

[psyonic]

By the way, in XMA we see a similar scene but it was deleted from the movie. Saved for Dark Phoenix?

Looks so cheesy and Jean is just clutching her pearls lmao

 

[GuestStar2004]

He should have quickly changed into his Comic outfit and Jean should have jumped into the dark phoenix costume and just into his arms pretending to be dead. would have been much less cheesy (joke)

I think it was re-shot to give a more emotional performance to Cyclops. Either that or the shot likely might not have looked right, and thus edited out.

They probably filmed several different/alternative takes of that scene and decided later which one to use. thats probably the truth of the matter.

As you say there are ways they could have made that scene work since even if the soldiers had seen the blast jean could still have hid them. and maybe they even did film some bits to incorporate that... although that doesn't mean it couldn't get cut anyway.

 

[SumT]

Looks so cheesy and Jean is just clutching her pearls lmao

very soap opera, tho so comicbookie too, very 90s show. so... dated, yeah.

now that I think about it.... that scene looks very similar to Scott moment in Alkali Lake in X3, both written by Kinberg. interesting.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Probably cause Ottman realized in the cutting room that it makes zero ****ing sense for Scott to do this without getting noticed by the people they're hiding from!!!


#Kinberg

Ha! Way too many scenes like this that only Ottman and his crew caught.

Don't think that's why it was changed since soon after, Jean telepathically shielded their position from soldiers who literally walked feet from where they were hiding. So, it wouldn't have matter. I think it was re-shot to give a more emotional performance to Cyclops. Either that or the shot likely might not have looked right, and thus edited out. Story-wise, he's still reacting to the realization that his brother is dead. These shots are just two different types of reactions that Singer likely made for editing choices.

Nah Stryker and his goons would’ve looked for the mutant, kid or otherwise, powerful enough to let out an optic blast like that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Nah Stryker and his goons would’ve looked for the mutant, kid or otherwise, powerful enough to let out an optic blast like that.

They were not capturing all of the mutants though, so why would they go out their way to find this one mutant? what they would probably do is look around, find nothing, say screw it and go.

Its a weird one to think it would be an issue at all. Stryker doesn't arrive until after that moment and even then why would he care about that ONE mutant as he knocks out a dozen of them and walks away.

 

[EnDz0n3]

They were not capturing all of the mutants there though. why would they go out their way to find this mutant?

Because with Cyclops being that powerful, Stryker et al would’ve looked for the source of the blast so the adults are not rescued later? Did you really just ask that?

what they would probably do is look around, say screw it and go.

So they still would’ve looked for that mutant after such a showy power display? Thanks GS!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because with Cyclops being that powerful, Stryker et al would’ve looked for the source of the blast so the adults are not rescued later? Did you really just ask that?

So out of the several mutants they knocked and left laying on the ground, which one of them could have been that very mutant, they would still need to double check if one had blasting powers just so that mutant didn't go to rescue them? why would they care? they did a sweep of the area for mutants just before they left and then most of them did wake up just after the helicopters left

Again why would they care? there really is no issue here.

I feel like people might have confused a motivation.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It doesn’t matter. You’ve already admitted that Cyclops letting out a powerful optic blast that their men would’ve seen from the sky would’ve necessitated them to look for him.

Ottman editing that scene out solves the problem. The end.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It doesn’t matter. You’ve already admitted that Cyclops letting out a powerful optic blast that their men would’ve seen from the sky would’ve necessitated them to look for him.

Ottman editing that scene out solves the problem. The end.

Even if they see it and for some reason did care about its overall location among the destroyed mansion, they would look around, see nothing, and then they would go.

You are making an issue of something that not even an issue, you might aswell just admit it.

 

[SumT]

man, Kinberg's friends are pretty busy and comited deffending each little critic daily on here

it must be pretty exhausting lol.

 

[Drexelhand]

man, Kinberg's friends are pretty busy and comited deffending each little critic daily on here

it must be pretty exhausting lol.

You know, when people type childish **** like that it makes me want to like Kinberg.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

man, Kinberg's friends are pretty busy and comited deffending each little critic daily on here

it must be pretty exhausting lol.

Yeah, it's pretty exhausting...

Pls stop this spamming!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I’m not defending Kinberg and I think an optic blast to the sky wouldve been kind of cheesy in that moment, but how would Stryker know which mutant did it? He had encounters with Mystique and Beast and knew what they were capable of. Moira identified herself as a CIA agent right before being knocked out, so it makes sense why he’d want her; she may have valuable information. And Quicksilver? Well, he needed to get to the finale somehow! But yeah, I don’t think he’d care a lot about finding the eye beam mutant when he’s got much bigger fish to fry. Why not argue about how Stryker, Weapon X and Wolverine’s inclusion in the film is jarring, disruptive and pointless to begin with?

 

[Cktopl33]

Nah Stryker and his goons would’ve looked for the mutant, kid or otherwise, powerful enough to let out an optic blast like that.

You still didn't seem to grasp the main point I made, thus... rendering your comment irrelevant. It wouldn't matter how hard Stryker's team would have searched for them, even if they were supposedly drawn by Cyclops blast, if Jean can always telepathically hide themselves from view. Stryker's team won't find anybody....just as it was shown in the movie. Due to that fact, babbling on and on about this is a pointless nonsensical discussion.

 

[Cktopl33]

man, Kinberg's friends are pretty busy and comited deffending each little critic daily on here

it must be pretty exhausting lol.

Kinberg didn't direct Apocalypse. Bryan Singer did. Criticism of that movie would rightly be the fault of the director in control of it. Obviously.

 

[Frankeh]

Due to that fact, babbling on and on about this is a pointless nonsensical discussion.

You're one to talk about that when you've been going on and on over the same topic with a certain other poster.

Not the first time that I see you putting down what other people choose to discuss. Like the time I posted some reddit spoilers. Several posters who aren't mods here try to police the board.

Anyway going back to that scene, I think the whole Stryker subplot should've been edited out, actually. Just have the X-Kids chase Apocalypse to save Xavier. Movie should've been 90 mins long at best, because let's face it, the plot comes down to Four Horsemen vs. X-Men, there's not much more to it at all.

 

[Cktopl33]

You're one to talk about that when you've been going on and on over the same topic with a certain other poster.

Not the first time that I see you putting down what other people choose to discuss. Like the time I posted some reddit spoilers. Several posters who aren't mods here try to police the board.

Anyway going back to that scene, I think the whole Stryker subplot should've been edited out, actually. Just have the X-Kids chase Apocalypse to save Xavier. Movie should've been 90 mins long at best, because let's face it, the plot comes down to Four Horsemen vs. X-Men, there's not much more to it at all.

"Putting down"? He can go on and on about that scene until his head explodes. No one is stopping him. We can't delete his comment. It still won't change the fact that it is a pointless discussion. To bring up said issue (when there isn't really an issue- blast or mansion explosion?? Both pretty powerful attention grabbers but the mansion is literally obliterated) when it ultimately doesn't matter in outcome...is a meaningless argument. I made a logical truthful statement. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. My responses are to post others have made or those addressed to me if that is what the topic of the comment.....is. That doesn't prevent them from posting what they want. So move it right on along....and thanks.

 

[psyonic]

I hated how they HYPED the **** out of Jubilee like oh, she's finally in this one in a substantial role, "Oh she fits in so well in the time period bc of her fashion!" I remember Singer talking about Jubilee like this. Pffft like a fart in the wind.. WHO?bilee? The entire mall sequence cut to focus on the "third movie is always the worst" line WTF. Indeed.

 

[JP]

I’m not defending Kinberg and I think an optic blast to the sky wouldve been kind of cheesy in that moment, but how would Stryker know which mutant did it? He had encounters with Mystique and Beast and knew what they were capable of. Moira identified herself as a CIA agent right before being knocked out, so it makes sense why he’d want her; she may have valuable information. And Quicksilver? Well, he needed to get to the finale somehow! But yeah, I don’t think he’d care a lot about finding the eye beam mutant when he’s got much bigger fish to fry. Why not argue about how Stryker, Weapon X and Wolverine’s inclusion in the film is jarring, disruptive and pointless to begin with?

A #Kinberg is a #Kinberg regardless.

 

[Cktopl33]

It appear a Fox shareholder has filed a lawsuit to stop the acquisition of 21st Century Fox's studio assets to Disney for violating securities rules due to omissions and misrepresentation. Uh-oh. Looks like an internal battle brooding. If it's successful, I wonder where things will go from there? Since the acquisition was suppose to close by summer next year, I wonder if that will be changed or pushed further back?

 

[psylockolussus]

By the way, in XMA we see a similar scene but it was deleted from the movie. Saved for Dark Phoenix?

That gif is unintentionally hilarious! No wonder it was cut from the film.

 

[EnDz0n3]

"Putting down"? He can go on and on about that scene until his head explodes. No one is stopping him. We can't delete his comment.

Maybe you should actually go back on the thread. JP, rightfully so, brought up the inconsistency of the original scene after your boy Erik Lensherr posted the gif.

I really do hope your head doesn't explode though. I know it can get confusing...

You still didn't seem to grasp the main point I made, thus... rendering your comment irrelevant. It wouldn't matter how hard Stryker's team would have searched for them, even if they were supposedly drawn by Cyclops blast, if Jean can always telepathically hide themselves from view. Stryker's team won't find anybody....just as it was shown in the movie. Due to that fact, babbling on and on about this is a pointless nonsensical discussion.

Like I said it doesn't matter since GS (and now you) already admitted they would check on the blast if the blast was still in the movie. Removing the scene solves the problem. Jean shielding the trio is, as you say, "irrelevant." (I'm not gonna say that your post is irrelevant, which seems to be your schtick).

I do agree that babbling about this is "pointless nonsensical discussion," which is why I'm wondering you found the need to bring it up again after I already stopped talking about it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

A #Kinberg is a #Kinberg regardless.

The Montreal crew called it Simonizing, which I assume is any non-sensical things on the script that had to be cleaned up.