Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Lip]

Yes, because Captain America died at the end of Captain America: Civil War, so of course Captain Marvel needs to be in coma and of course we want the end of a franchise just because we want a proper origin for Rogue. Of. Course.

Seriously, find a more smart way to try discredit our points.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Well, tell that to the people who have actually suggested the movies on that crazy list I posted. I didn't make anything up. Not even the part about Sunfire's sister.

If you can find that poster in all the interwebs that suggested Sunpyre should be a lead in an X-men spin-off that would be dandy. It's such a ridiculous request that I'm sure you saved the URL of the post.

Facts. Realism. Something many here seem to be lacking. And what purpose would Storm have in a BP film if not to set up being a love interest? How dumb would that be? Shoehorning Rogue to put Captain Marvel into a coma after two movies and an extended cameo doesn't make sense to their plan of making her a co-leader of the Avengers.
It's great to have those connections and lord knows I'd love to see that storyline for Rogue but it is to much at the detriment of Captain Marvel/Ms. Marvel.

There's nothing wrong with these ideas specifically a Wolverine v. Hulk film I'm just simply stating not to put all the faith in Fiege as even he has made missteps (Mandarin was a mess for example). I'm not saying anything that hasn't been reiterated by several regular posters here.

Facts? Realism? Abudefduf alluded to one person asking for "An X-Men movie starring...Sunfire's sister!"

ONE person.

From your own post, who are these people asking for 5+ new spinoffs of X-men in one year, and the studio dropping their MCU movies?

And somehow you're acting like ALL/MOST X-men fans are expecting those movies and anything less than that will be a let down. I understand reminding people to keep their expectations in check but your hyperbolic posts doesn't help your case. It almost renders your post pointless.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah... it seems like some fans are expecting Marvel to just scrap all their other heroes and make nothing but X-Men movies for the time being. "A Storm solo! A Wolverine solo! A Dazzler musical! X-Men Red and Blue and Gold! X-Force! Deadpool 3! An X-Men movie starring absolute nobodies like Forge and Siryn and Sunfire's sister!"

They don't realize that, from now on, we will only get one or two X-Men movies every four or five years, and that these movies will (for obvious reason) have to focus on only a handful of characters.

I swear I'm not trying to be a jerk, it's just... you guys are really setting yourselves up for disappointment.

I'm not expecting Marvel to scrap anything but to branch out into other genres, namely the musical genre which is ripe for mining.

And I'm not thinking of the Dazzler musical in terms of X-Men at all. I'm thinking of her in her original incarnation as a solo heroine before she ever was associated with X-Men. That's the way I think of her, rather than as part of the X-Men, because that's how I first came to know her back in the Bronze Age of Marvel. That's exactly how she was originally conceived. Dazzler was meant to be a movie, and the comic character was merely a tie in.

She had her own solo comic for a while before she ever joined up with the X-Men and before people only ever thought of her in those terms.

I don't care for all these other X-Men solo films. Certainly not Siryn or X-Force or Storm etc. So please don't lump the Dazzler musical in with the same bunch as if it's a bunch of X-fans who are demanding all these X-Men films.

 

[Jh7058622]

If you can find that poster in all the interwebs that suggested Sunpyre should be a lead in an X-men spin-off that would be dandy. It's such a ridiculous request that I'm sure you saved the URL of the post.



Facts? Realism? Abudefduf alluded to one person asking for "An X-Men movie starring...Sunfire's sister!"

ONE person.

From your own post, who are these people asking for 5+ new spinoffs of X-men in one year, and the studio dropping their MCU movies?

And somehow you're acting like ALL/MOST X-men fans are expecting those movies and anything less than that will be a let down. I understand reminding people to keep their expectations in check but your hyperbolic posts doesn't help your case. It almost renders your post pointless.

Just go to the MCU X-Men thread and find out for yourself. I'm not doing all the work for you. Just for the record also I never said anything about Sunfire's sister like wtf? Stop lumping me in with other people. Mmmkay? Thanks.

To get back to my original speaking point someone when I pointed out the X-Men may have less screen time under the MCU mantle and if they would be okay with that they aptly replied "whatever" and it [didn't matter] so I merely stated the truth which was that it is unlikely that all the characters "shafted" that Fox had done will suddenly under Disney's helm be fixed to which many said they'd take concessions if Disney Marvel do it because they will do all the characters justice. Again, I say how is that possible with less screentime and an even more thinly spread Fiege? These are valid concerns you seem really triggered by.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yes, because Captain America died at the end of Captain America: Civil War, so of course Captain Marvel needs to be in coma and of course we want the end of a franchise just because we want a proper origin for Rogue. Of. Course.

Seriously, find a more smart way to try discredit our points.

What point you haven't made one yet?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Just go to the MCU X-Men thread and find out for yourself. I'm not doing all the work for you. Just for the record also I never said anything about Sunfire's sister like wtf? Stop lumping me in with other people. Mmmkay? Thanks.

Haha the person who lumps most X-men fans as wanting 5+ new spinoffs X-men based on a few posters' posts, doesn't want to be lumped with someone else's post. Ok.

"Just for the record" the Sunpyre post was addressed to Abu (hence my reply following his quoted post). I honestly have no idea what you're on about...talk about deflecting...

 

[Jh7058622]

Haha the person who lumps most X-men fans as wanting 5+ new spinoffs X-men based on a few posters' posts, doesn't want to be lumped with someone else's post. Ok.

"Just for the record" the Sunpyre post was addressed to Abu (hence my reply following his quoted post). I honestly have no idea what you're on about...talk about deflecting...

It was under my post you quoted. Just go back and look. Need some glasses buddy.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It was under my post you quoted. Just go back and look. Need some glasses buddy.

Do you mean this post where I mentioned Abu by name?

Facts? Realism? Abudefduf alluded to one person asking for "An X-Men movie starring...Sunfire's sister!"

*glasses on*


Anyways, back to your "point." You don't want people to be too positive on a Feige-takeover based on his filmography?

Where were you every time Erik Lensherr posts "In Kinberg We Trust"
Where were you every time CkTopl and this other user Jh7058622 post that we cant judge Kinberg based on his filmography?

Oh the irony.

 

[Cktopl33]

Uh...if Kinberg has a filmography as director....then sure, you can make judgements about how good a director he will be....based on films he's directed. But his filmography is primarily co-writing and co-producing. Screenwriters create the physical script. Directors interpret scripts and turn them into creative visions. Producing, screenwriting, and directing are all different things.

For example, Bryan Singer's filmography doesn't have history of writing physical scripts. In all his movies he didn't write the screenplay (though he crafts story that some of the scripts use). Bryan Singer is judged as director based on his directing skills and the way he interprets the script he's directing from.

Another example is Academy Award winner Christopher McQuarrie. His titles are similar to what Simon Kinberg is transitioning toward: writer, director, producer. McQuarrie, like Kinberg, also worked on several movies as co-writer. Some of those movies have great critical reviews, some terrible. He's directed four movies to date (all written by him only): two not so great, and two well received.

So there's no telling how Kinberg's directing and creative vision will be until you actually see the product...and then form a judgement based on it.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Another example is Academy Award winner Christopher McQuarrie. His titles are similar to what Simon Kinberg is transitioning toward: writer, director, producer. McQuarrie, like Kinberg, also worked on several movies as co-writer. Some of those movies have great critical reviews, some terrible. He's directed four movies to date (all written by him only): two not so great, and two well received.

You mean the M:I director? No way, zero chance Dark Phoenix will be as good as them. Zero!

 

[SumT]

I'm over Wolverine bashing because I feel it'll be handled better in MCU.


But I honestly feel he'll be the only solo character to get a spin off

Id bet money with you that Marvel wont be like Fox and will do at least 2 solos (not including Deadpool)

Who will be the second Xman to get a solo? Storm? Rogue? Cyclops? None knows, but Marvel can surprise us with any direction, as they are known for.

 

[Abudefduf]

Yes, because Captain America died at the end of Captain America: Civil War, so of course Captain Marvel needs to be in coma and of course we want the end of a franchise just because we want a proper origin for Rogue. Of. Course.

That's definitely the impression you give when you suggest that the 2nd Captain Marvel movie should be based on a ****** story from 40 years ago that ends with the titular character in a coma and without her memories and powers, like it or not.

EDIT: Uh and by the way, Captain America didn't die in Civil War, he died later. Bad example. And a meaningful death is not the same as getting mindraped into oblivion. It's a bit more heroic.

If you can find that poster in all the interwebs that suggested Sunpyre should be a lead in an X-men spin-off that would be dandy. It's such a ridiculous request that I'm sure you saved the URL of the post.

I didn't, because I'm not a weirdo. Well, not that kind of weirdo, at least. But it happened on this very site.

And stop saying that I'm attacking all X-Men fans, I'm not. That's why I specifically keep saying "some fans". Based on what I've seen here and in other places, some fans are expecting the impossible from Marvel.

It's not my fault that you guys are taking it so personally.

 

[psylockolussus]

2022: X-Men Begin
2022: Av5ngers (X-Men cross over mid-credits tease)
2024: X-Men Here We Go Again
2025: Avengers vs X-Men
2026: X-Men Beyond

That's all the X-Men films I need for the first five film appearances of the X-Men. I don't really care about the solos and spin offs, but if Marvel Stud10s intend to make them, I hope the solos/spinoffs are connected well to the X-Men films, which something Fox couldn't accomplish.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

2024: X-Men Here We Go Again

Is it going to be a musical?

 

[2kt09]

So, I’m thinking the United Nations are the film stand-in for the Galactic Empire. They hold a hearing in the third act to decide the fate of Jean (and maybe all mutants) after the devastation she causes while at her house in the second act. Then, the final fight on the moon from the comics is loosely adapted when the aliens try to kill all the world’s leaders and the X-Men defend them until Jean’s the only one left standing. She, of course, sacrifices herself after giving into the Phoenix one last time. Maybe even one of the world leaders will be named Prime Minister Neramani or something.

It’s all speculation, obviously, but we ironically haven’t really had much of that here; a speculation thread, of all places!

The speculation that makes the most sense for me is that the Hellfire Club & the Galactic Empire has been consolidated through Chastain's character. The world leaders would have already been compromised via the Skrull-style takeover, [blackout]albeit they resemble the Brood[/blackout].

 

[The Original Bamfer]

The speculation that makes the most sense for me is that the Hellfire Club & the Galactic Empire has been consolidated through Chastain's character. The world leaders would have already been compromised via the Skrull-style takeover, [blackout]albeit they resemble the Brood[/blackout].

Yeah, but what would be their ulterior motive for bringing the UN together in the third act? To manipulate Jean into destroying the world?

 

[Jh7058622]

*glasses on*


Anyways, back to your "point." You don't want people to be too positive on a Feige-takeover based on his filmography?

Where were you every time Erik Lensherr posts "In Kinberg We Trust"
Where were you every time CkTopl and this other user Jh7058622 post that we cant judge Kinberg based on his filmography?

Oh the irony.

Try again because if you saw what I originally wrote was to stop lumping me in with other people. If you are replying to someone quote them not me. You're silly.

 

[psylockolussus]

Is it going to be a musical?

Nope. Just a sequel to the first film.

 

[2kt09]

Yeah, but what would be their ulterior motive for bringing the UN together in the third act? To manipulate Jean into destroying the world?

Assuming there is a callback to Apocalypse where it's uncovered that the aliens were making sure he was doing their bidding. Or the other case of the aliens are trying to destroy Jean before she destroys everything.

 

[SumT]

2022: X-Men Begin
2022: Av5ngers (X-Men cross over mid-credits tease)
2024: X-Men Here We Go Again
2025: Avengers vs X-Men
2026: X-Men Beyond

That's all the X-Men films I need for the first five film appearances of the X-Men. I don't really care about the solos and spin offs, but if Marvel Stud10s intend to make them, I hope the solos/spinoffs are connected well to the X-Men films, which something Fox couldn't accomplish.

dont think thats likely. I think this scenario is closer to how Feige and Marvel Studios work:

2022: Storm movie - Cyclops movie - Thunderbird movie
2023: X-Men: Original Five (may) - Wolverine movie (November) - Rogue introduced in Captain Marvel 2 - Polaris tv show
2024: Sunfire movie - Gambit movie - Dazzler tv show
2025: Storm 2 - Cyclops & Havok: Summers camp
2026: X-Men 2 - Rogue movie - Wolverine 2 - Nigtcrawler cameo in Doctor Strange 4
2027: Gambit 2 - Banshee movie - Generation X tv show
2028: Mr. Sinister: Mutant Massacre - Starjammers movie
2029: Bishop movie - New Mutants movie - Wolverine 3
2030: Phoenix Saga pt 1 (X-Men, Starjammers, Shi'Ar Empire)
2031: Phoenix Saga pt 2 (Proteus, Hellfire introduction)
2032: Phoenix Saga pt 3 (Hellfire, Dark Phoenix)


BOOM!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think all we get next decade is X-MEN 1-2-3 and Wolverine Vs Hulk and then Wolverine 2&3

 

[marcvader]

23 X related movies in 10 years?

 

[Abudefduf]

I think all we get next decade is X-MEN 1-2-3 and Wolverine Vs Hulk and then Wolverine 2&3

Take away a couple of Wolverine movies and add a Storm solo and I'd say that's a pretty realistic prediction.

23 X related movies in 10 years?

SumT is making fun of me making fun of delusional X-Men fans and their crazy suggestions, he's not being serious. lol

 

[Lip]

That's definitely the impression you give when you suggest that the 2nd Captain Marvel movie should be based on a ****** story from 40 years ago that ends with the titular character in a coma and without her memories and powers, like it or not.

EDIT: Uh and by the way, Captain America didn't die in Civil War, he died later. Bad example. And a meaningful death is not the same as getting mindraped into oblivion. It's a bit more heroic.

No, it's a good example. You just didn't understand. Civil War was adapted without the exact same consequences from the comics. Why can't it be the same with Captain Marvel? I'm sure they'll be tying Rogue's origin to Captain Marvel, and I'm sure they won't end a franchise for that. If the impression you get when the fans talk about tying Rogue's origin in a Captain Marvel is ending the franchise, that's on you.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's not my fault that you guys are taking it so personally.

How can one not take it personally when you’ve tasked me to “tell that to the people who have actually suggested the movies on that crazy list [you] posted.”

I really do hope you talked to that ONE person that his/her Sunpyre-led X-men film suggestion was trash since (1) it ain’t happening (2) he’s probably the only person in the history of the fandom that’s thought of that (3) people are now googling who Sunpyre is.

Try again because if you saw what I originally wrote was to stop lumping me in with other people. If you are replying to someone quote them not me. You're silly.

You just love accusing people of something that actually didn’t happen and none of your posts are making any sense, so bye.