Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[EnDz0n3]

Add Meiling Melançon, Ben Foster, Bill Duke, Katrina Florece on that list.

 

[C. Lee]

Just watched ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT....they did a quick segment with Sophie Turner talking about XMen DP and GoT....in the DP part she flat out spoiled part of the movie.

 

[carpenter82]

Just watched ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT....they did a quick segment with Sophie Turner talking about XMen DP and GoT....in the DP part she flat out spoiled part of the movie.

I'll be sure to avoid that interview. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[x-er]

I agree with Shipp about the Storm/T'Challa pairing. Don't like it. Didn't even make sense in the comics. It always played like something Cartman would dream up.
She shouldn't be made another hero's arm candy. Plus, to pull Nakia out, just because now Storm is in play, is just about the worst possible motivation for character progression.

Especially since Nakia is now the prettiest girl in the MCU. I wouldn't be surprised if Storm's debut is planned for a Black Panther 3 or something.

Love this!

There's an Avengers logo on there. How would they avenge them if they're not on the same universe?

 

[DACrowe]

This is the third act climax of the movie. How does this make it not a political thriller?

This is like trying to dunk on the original X-Men movie from 2000 for marketing itself as grounded and real world (because the X-Men wear black leather!), even though Magneto's plan was to turn the world leaders into mutants via a big giant machine while Wolverine and Sabertooth fought on the Statue of Liberty.

... Umm, because it's not a political thriller, hence the joke. Once in a while I think some of these movies achieve the loftiness of these proclamations (I do think The Dark Knight is a crime drama, Rises for better or worse is an upheaval epic, Logan is a Western) but by and large it's just PR spin and jargon. Dark Phoenix will likely not be Hitchcockian, Man of Steel was not really an invasion movie, The Winter Soldier is no more a political thriller than the Ant-Man films are heist comedies.

It might have elements, but they're overstated and then the fans spread them as gospel. Well not Dark Phoenix because it's Kinberg, but you know what I mean.

 

[DACrowe]

I guess if you walked into the movie for just the third act, you'd think that.

I'm going to guess anyone who claims it is a '70s political thriller never actually saw Three Days of the Condor, The Conversation, Marathon Man, All the President's Men, or you know, actual '70s political thrillers.

 

[Mad Ones]

Shipp is 100% correct.

 

[carpenter82]

... Umm, because it's not a political thriller, hence the joke. Once in a while I think some of these movies achieve the loftiness of these proclamations (I do think The Dark Knight is a crime drama, Rises for better or worse is an upheaval epic, Logan is a Western) but by and large it's just PR spin and jargon. Dark Phoenix will likely not be Hitchcockian, Man of Steel was not really an invasion movie, The Winter Soldier is no more a political thriller than the Ant-Man films are heist comedies.

It might have elements, but they're overstated and then the fans spread them as gospel. Well not Dark Phoenix because it's Kinberg, but you know what I mean.

Idk about the Hitchcockian Thriller claim, but I hope it at least has elements of a family drama like Kinberg says it does.

 

[carpenter82]

I'm going to guess anyone who claims it is a '70s political thriller never actually saw Three Days of the Condor, The Conversation, Marathon Man, All the President's Men, or you know, actual '70s political thrillers.

I have seen those films, and I understand what you're problem with the third act is. Part of the thrill of those films is an ordinary person going up against/uncovering an extraordinary threat. It's hard to replicate that in a film where the lead character is essentially unstoppable.

 

[psylockolussus]

Love this!

Disney already avenged them by putting astop to the franchise. This franchise is no longer what is used to be when foX decided to dump them.

 

[Xeno]

Love this!

They're not dead so why do they need avenging?

 

[psylockolussus]

They were killed off screen in Logan. I really doubt they left Xavier like that.

 

[Aximili86]

She's not wrong about Storm's potential, but it sounds like she gets some pretty cool stuff to do actionwise, and in her other quotes it sounds like she actually has some really nice emotional elements with Jean akin to the type of thing people have been clamoring for for...decades now. No, she's not a lead, but they didn't cast Alexandra Shipp to be a lead in this franchise.

Right, she's a nobody. And she did fine last time around in Apocalypse, I actually really like this casting and there's potential there. But, like the Cyclops kid, she's no one, and she probably doesn't have a particularly skyrocketing career ahead of her. You're a young up and coming actor, you've currently had a lot more success than a bunch of actors your age ever see, just see it for what it is: a blockbuster CG-fest summer movie where you get some exposure and line your wallet. When you're a McAvoy in name or it's a movie centering around Storm, the wheel'll turn and it'll be the Storm Show.

She's in an ensemble movie with 10+ characters, in a story focused around Jean and with McAvoy, Fassbender, and Chastain obvious to get the rest of the screentime glory due to being, you know, names. And among the newbies she got plenty to do in the last movie anyway, much more than Smit-McPhee or whoever. Basically she just comes off as every stereotype of a whiney college kid imaginable Like, it's one thing for Halle Berry to kinda get shafted, she was an actual name with a profile and the cast was smaller. But contextually, here Shipp's totally making a mountain out of a molehill. I also seriously doubt she signed onto Apocalypse for the potential for a meaty character study rather than a fat paycheck and her name on a multiplex marquee.

Even if she does feel this way, you don't goddamn express it as a press tour's kicking off. Wait a year, just shut up and show some basic-level professional tact. Soft skills, social skills, totally lost on these kids.

Like, pretty sure even Mickey freakin' trainwreck Rourke waited twelve months before ****talking Iron Man 2. If that guy can manage it, Shipp's got no leg to stand on here. And even then Rourke's at least a minor commodity with a history, taking a hatchet to the scenes he's filmed is a bigger deal than the actor nobody's ever heard of who caught a break being cast in X-Men not getting a big a part as the actor who's playing the character in the frickin' movie title.

 

[Davidstorm]

I totally understand Alexandra.
this girl is relentlessly attacked, people saying she is not black, who is a bad actress, who will never be the halle berry and etc.
she is just an actress who is at the beginning of her career and wants to show that she knows how to work, whether a black person has more prominence, defending the right of the female characters not to be treated as support for male characters...should these statements be extremely applauded, or is there even selectivity in who can defend women or not?

it was disgusting to read in the twiter people commenting on her answer about finding that storm deserves so much more than just being BP's girlfriend, some saying her opinion does not matter why she's going to get fired, that she's a bad actress, that's a horrible storm for not being black and etc, including horrible responses with "likes" of some professional bloggers, this is ridiculous.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I don't see nothing wrong with what she said, she is fighting for the character of Storm to actually have a voice, personality and character development in these ensemble films. I wouldn't mind seeing Storm in a future Black Panther film, but she shouldn't be regulated to a love interest to T'Challa. I would not mind seeing her in Africa as a neighboring village and tales of a "weather goddess" I'm sure these writers can come up with a clever way to include part of her history into any film.

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

I applaud Alex for being outspoken, and more so acknowledging the role of Storm has been background noise in the past few films. She wants what we all want. A powerful (black) female superhero lead for the X men. She admits it doesn’t have to be her, she just wants to see it be done.

But the toxicity on twitter have twisted her words and turning the conversation into “her opinions don’t matter cause she’s getting recasted anyway”. And that should mean she should shut up about wanting the best for a character she currently inhabits?! For the life of me, she’s literally saying all the right things, and yet she still gets bullied for being “too light skinned”. Blame the creatives for that.

You don’t have to like her as Storm, if you think she’s a bad actress, that’s fine, that’s all subjective, but bullying the poor girl that she continues to have to defend and write out long explainations, explaining herself. Nah that’s not it.

Anyway it seems Kiki Layne and Shipp have hashed things out And the more I see of her the more I want her as the next Storm. She addressed it last night:

KiKi Layne Addresses the Storm/Alexandra Shipp Controversy (Exclusive)

 

[Ordet]

And i have to say that i prefer her as Storm than Berry (that is a better actress, of course, but she missing a touch of ethnic that i find in Shipp)

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

May trigger she people but;

I think Halle’s been the better Storm. Her body language ,her mannerisms, the way she grinds her teeth, scream Storm to me. Alex’s Storm looks like she overstraining, although it looks much better in Dark Phoenix.

Alex showed a lot more charisma as Ororo, in the few scenes she isn’t using her powers. Also like her looks in Apoc and Dph a lot more the Halles 3 appearances.

The two share horrible flying skills though apparently her flying scenes are much improved in Dph

 

[psylockolussus]

Halle any day over Alexandra.

 

[Nadia]

May trigger she people but;

I think Halle’s been the better Storm. Her body language ,her mannerisms, the way she grinds her teeth, scream Storm to me. Alex’s Storm looks like she overstraining, although it looks much better in Dark Phoenix.

Alex showed a lot more charisma as Ororo, in the few scenes she isn’t using her powers. Also like her looks in Apoc and Dph a lot more the Halles 3 appearances.

The two share horrible flying skills though apparently her flying scenes are much improved in Dph

While it just one shot in the trailer (obviously can't speak for the entire film), the shot Beast leaping over in the train sequence looks like a great use of wire work: there is speed and weight to it. Compare to DoFP when he is chases wolverine in the xmansion.

I've never been too bothered by Storms flying the films. Her flight is difficult to convey, as she is technically meant to be supported by the winds. Characters like superman have the weightless flight, while iron man has the rockets pushing for balance whole Thor just flys forward with the pull of the hammer.

I did like in Last Stand when she summoned the tornado at jeans house and started spinning. There it felt like she was using the wind to propel herself. Hopefully Dark Pheonix uses that for inspiration.

 

[Matt.S99]

While not perfect casting, I actually liked Halle and think she gets a really bad rap. She did fine with what she was given.

It’s not her fault she wasn’t given a larger role.

 

[fobi]

Alexandra's accent was 100x better than Halle's attempt, I'll give her that.

 

[Davidstorm]

And i have to say that i prefer her as Storm than Berry (that is a better actress, of course, but she missing a touch of ethnic that i find in Shipp)

I have a great love for halle, I think that always the original cast will have more admirers
(including the next cast that can be used on the MCU will also suffer from this)
but I like the shipp, like any actor in the beginning of the career, she has a lot of things to improve but I see in her a love in making the character, everything she is talking about shows how she knows the potential of the character and how it is being ignored in films, is an extremely important criticism, I think hypocrite the actor that years later comes to public to complain of something.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

When I see Shipp’s Storm, I see a young Halle’s Storm only with a better accent. But she is exactly what she’s supposed to be. It’s not the character from the comics, but considering she’s playing the younger version of a pre-existing live-action portrayal, I think she’s great.

The flying hasn’t been good overall, but I think it was best in DoFP. Apocalypse wasn’t particularly amazing, but it was better than the dreadful wire work in TLS. It sounds as if it’ll be the best in DPh.

 

[Charzhin0]

Shipps role in Apocalypse was so minor I cant even remember anything outside her first meeting with Apocalypse. I dont know how much people can go on to make full judgements on her Storm and say its better than Halles when the screentimes for each is not even close.