Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[Hand Banana]

Wonder no more. Bob Iger confirmed that the X-Men would in fact (*gasp* surprise) be coming to the MCU. Who would have thought. The Disney PR also confirmed this. It was literally one of the first things clarified about the acquisition

Marvel also wants a Exiles TV series. You know what that X-Men series focuses on?

 

[psylockolussus]

Back to X-Men: Dark Phoenix...it’s release date of Nov 2nd...does It have any other superhero movies around that time coming out? I think it may be have a good space by itself.

It is opening against this

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Crimes of Grindelwald, Grinch and Ralph Breaks the Internet will be coming out as well in November of 2018.

 

[Marvel united]

Marvel also wants a Exiles TV series. You know what that X-Men series focuses on?

LOL - since when? When was an Exiles show ever mentioned by Iger or any Press Release? Or are you talking about the TV deal they made back in 2015 which has nothing to do with this acquisition.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

I'm starting to wonder if nothing will change when this Disney/Fox deal finally closes.

I believe management will change and Feige will take control, but what I mean is keeping the worlds separate within the MCU and not necessarily combine them. Maybe the question we should be asking, will Feige and Marvel have more fun with two sandboxes instead of just putting everything in one?

By keeping two, they can push the limits with X-Men which they can't with MCU proper. X-Men and spinoffs becomes their adult comicbook franchise and MCU proper caters to family.

Just food for thought.

Let's hope so. Nobody that actually likes X-Men wants them combined. The best way forward is to maintain a separate universe and let Logan and Deadpool pop up in the Comedy Universe from time to time.

Leave the X-Men alone. Avengers pollution isn't needed.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men should only be left alone only if it isn't under Fox and Kinberg.

And Iger has already stated that the MCU would use the X-Men. But once again, sleekstereo has find another reason to ignore that.

 

[Tymminator]

The deal with Sony happened in 2014 and Spider-Man didn’t show up until 2016. Since they can’t do anything with mutants until 2020 I suspect 2022 would be the earliest to see any.

A different situation, also although they didn’t show him, he was alluded to in Ant-man in 2015, I suspect we will hear of them before even seeing them.

 

[psylockolussus]

I really hope the doj approved the deal before Fox starts developing a film for Doop, Legixn, Mole Man and Revanche to name a few. Not that I think Fox can release those films before Disney starts over seeing their projects.

All these announcements just seem like a waste to me. And even if the rights aren't returning to Marvel, these are just random ideas. Like why not just use Gambit and Kitty in an Uncanny X-Men film? Use Jamie in X-Factor? A Doom movie? These ideas are just so random.

 

[Hand Banana]

LOL - since when? When was an Exiles show ever mentioned by Iger or any Press Release? Or are you talking about the TV deal they made back in 2015 which has nothing to do with this acquisition.

I said Marvel, not Disney. So yes I was talking about the TV deal and I doubt their minds have changed. Gifted is probably meant to lead into that.

 

[psylockolussus]

Another Marvel show is the last thing I need. It would be probably slow paced and restricted anyway.

 

[Jh7058622]

I really hope the doj approved the deal before Fox starts developing a film for Doop, Legixn, Mole Man and Revanche to name a few. Not that I think Fox can release those films before Disney starts over seeing their projects.

All these announcements just seem like a waste to me. And even if the rights aren't returning to Marvel, these are just random ideas. Like why not just use Gambit and Kitty in an Uncanny X-Men film? Use Jamie in X-Factor? A Doom movie? These ideas are just so random.

I agree. Although I do believe they are possibly puting X-Factor characters maybe even the full team in MM and Excalibur members in Kitty's movie (that is when I found her and Nightcrawler the most interesting).

 

[Marvel united]

I said Marvel, not Disney. So yes I was talking about the TV deal and I doubt their minds have changed. Gifted is probably meant to lead into that.

I did some digging and see no mention of an Exiles show anywhere. Even in the original press release for Hellfire and Legion; it was not brought up. And assuming it was, you can't even say it was Marvel's idea because Fox was and IS heavily involved with these shows, Bryan Singer as well. They air on FX and the creative is many or the same producers from the Fox-Men movies. Marvel Studios is not Marvel Entertainment And even if it WAS, it has been two years since that deal was made. They have ALL the reason in the world to have changed their minds now that they have the rights back.

 

[Hand Banana]

I did some digging and see no mention of an Exiles show anywhere. Even in the original press release for Hellfire and Legion; it was not brought up. And assuming it was, you can't even say it was Marvel's idea because Fox was and IS heavily involved with these shows, Bryan Singer as well. They air on FX and the creative is many or the same producers from the Fox-Men movies. Marvel Studios is not Marvel Entertainment And even if it WAS, it has been two years since that deal was made. They have ALL the reason in the world to have changed their minds now that they have the rights back!

You didn’t look hard enough.

http://comicbook.com/2017/02/24/alpha-flight-exiles-and-more-are-on-x-men-movie-producers-radar/

Marvel is the one that gives these shows the permission to be made. So that means they show an Exile TV series as profitable. And after the success of Gifted and the DC shows exploring that concept I don’t see any real reason to stop now. Even Marvel Studios apparently wants to explore the multiverse concept.

And X-Men producers like Donner are apparently coming over to Marvel. Which seems likely since she is friends with Feige.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

You didn’t look hard enough.

http://comicbook.com/2017/02/24/alpha-flight-exiles-and-more-are-on-x-men-movie-producers-radar/

Marvel is the one that gives these shows the permission to be made. So that means they show an Exile TV series as profitable. And after the success of Gifted and the DC shows exploring that concept I don’t see any real reason to stop now. Even Marvel Studios apparently wants to explore the multiverse concept.

And X-Men producers like Donner are apparently coming over to Marvel. Which seems likely since she is friends with Feige.

I'd hate to give more ammunition to an aggro spammer, but it seems like the writer of that comicbook.com article made up the idea that Exiles is going to be a TV show all on his own. Not totally surprising because comicbook.com isn't very good.

 

[Marvel united]

You didn’t look hard enough.

http://comicbook.com/2017/02/24/alpha-flight-exiles-and-more-are-on-x-men-movie-producers-radar/

Marvel is the one that gives these shows the permission to be made. So that means they show an Exile TV series as profitable. And after the success of Gifted and the DC shows exploring that concept I don’t see any real reason to stop now. Even Marvel Studios apparently wants to explore the multiverse concept.

And X-Men producers like Donner are apparently coming over to Marvel. Which seems likely since she is friends with Feige.

This is not "Marvel's idea" like you originally said. It's fricking Simon Kinberg spinning a web of ideas for the future of the X-Men on TV at a time when he probably had no idea that Marvel would ever get the rights back. And the other half is speculation from the writer of the article. What does this have to do with the MCU in any way, shape or form? This does not mean or even *hint* that the Fox-Men will be crossing over to the MCU in an extradimensional portal.


And I missed the announcement that Donner was coming over the MCU... Probably cause there wasn't one. Just because she worked with Feige in the past doesn't mean she's automatically going to get a pass into the MCU. The fact that she keeps bringing up the fact that she hired Feige (probably out of desperation like most of the Fox-Men producers) might even work against her. This is not another Amy Pascal & Tom Rothman situation where working with them was a requirement from Sony.

 

[Kuwolski]

Let's hope so. Nobody that actually likes X-Men wants them combined. The best way forward is to maintain a separate universe and let Logan and Deadpool pop up in the Comedy Universe from time to time.

Leave the X-Men alone. Avengers pollution isn't needed.

So from what I've seen online then, nobody actually likes the X-Men.

 

[Marvel united]

And Kinberg/Singer won't be anywhere near the franchise come 2020. They'll likely become the new Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach. Even if Kinberg is still working with Disney - he sure as hell won't be on X-Men anymore.

 

[Jh7058622]

I bet money he will still be a producer of X-Men films even when Fiege takes over especially if the next film is a success or even just passably good.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

I bet money he will still be a producer of X-Men films even when Fiege takes over especially if the next film is a success or even just passably good.

The funny thing is that I think he already has a relationship with Disney already. I do believe he is in on one of the future Star Wars projects.

Meanwhile, kids on the internet at SHH will be kids on the internet.

 

[Hand Banana]

I'd hate to give more ammunition to an aggro spammer, but it seems like the writer of that comicbook.com article made up the idea that Exiles is going to be a TV show all on his own. Not totally surprising because comicbook.com isn't very good.

It’s likely true considering other Exile members were revealed later on and the fact that Gifted was stated to be in an alternate universe since it was accounced.

This is not "Marvel's idea" like you originally said. It's fricking Simon Kinberg spinning a web of ideas for the future of the X-Men on TV at a time when he probably had no idea that Marvel would ever get the rights back. And the other half is speculation from the writer of the article. What does this have to do with the MCU in any way, shape or form? This does not mean or even *hint* that the Fox-Men will be crossing over to the MCU in an extradimensional portal.

Never said it was their idea, just that they wanted it and that’s all I ever said. Gifted is not even set in the main X-Men universe.

And I missed the announcement that Donner was coming over the MCU... Probably cause there wasn't one. Just because she worked with Feige in the past doesn't mean she's automatically going to get a pass into the MCU. The fact that she keeps bringing up the fact that she hired Feige (probably out of desperation like most of the Fox-Men producers) might even work against her. This is not another Amy Pascal & Tom Rothman situation where working with them was a requirement from Sony.

Donner said this not too long ago. I think she would know since her and Feige are close.

And Kinberg/Singer won't be anywhere near the franchise come 2020. They'll likely become the new Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach. Even if Kinberg is still working with Disney - he sure as hell won't be on X-Men anymore.

Feige has hired X-film film writers on the MCU before. Singer won’t come because of the allegations obviously.

 

[Marvel united]

I bet money he will still be a producer of X-Men films even when Fiege takes over especially if the next film is a success or even just passably good.

Yeah... No. Kinberg ran X-Men and the Fantastic Four into the ground. It's a fantasy to think Feige will let him anywhere near anything Marvel ever again. At most, he'll become an executive producer like Avi Arad currently is on MCU Spider-Man. Kinberg is the X-Men's Avi Arad

 

[Hand Banana]

Yeah... No. Kinberg ran X-Men and the Fantastic Four into the ground. It's a fantasy to think Feige will let him anywhere near anything Marvel ever again. At most, he'll become an executive producer like Avi Arad currently is on MCU Spider-Man. Kinberg is the X-Men's Avi Arad

Except Kevin Feige likes DOFP which he did the screenplay for. And knows that X3 wasn’t really his or Zak Penn’s fault considering he hired Zenn for Hulk and The Avengers. He was involved with X3 after all.

Also, Kinberg didn’t direct F4. He just wrote the screenplay Trank wanted.

 

[Charzhin0]

I think we can safely say Singer will never be associated with any future xmen film from now on.

Kinbergs involvement can go either way. It really depends on how well Dark Phoenix does given its his first directorial project. If he can prove (somehow) that hes a talented director and writer combo, then it would become more difficult to ignore him.

 

[Marvel united]

Except Kevin Feige likes DOFP which he did the screenplay for. And knows that X3 wasn’t really his or Zak Penn’s fault considering he hired Zenn for Hulk and The Avengers. He was involved with X3 after all.

So? Kinberg is still at fault for the mess of the Last Stand no matter how some try to suger coat it. He played a huge part in it failing because he wrote the ****ing script! X-Men Apocalypse was also partly his fault; he even ghost-directed scenes for the movie. Not to mention that every film he's wrote has been bad to mediocre. Look at the man's credits. What reason would Feige have for keeping Kinberg of all people, on for MCU X-Men movies? It's kinda funny that some think Feige will be some sort of shepherd who will welcome all the same creatives from the Fox-Men movies into the MCU instead of his OWN creative team at Marvel. It makes no sense.

Also the leaps in logic you're making about Feige keeping Kinberg because he liked DOFP

Also, Kinberg didn’t direct F4. He just wrote the screenplay Trank wanted.

He rewrote most of Fant4stick's script from Trank's version to lower the budget. And Trank was ANYTHING but happy about it much less wanted it.

 

[X-Maniac]

Also, Kinberg didn’t direct F4. He just wrote the screenplay Trank wanted.

You are talking UTTER rubbish!

Kinberg was brought on board to get F4 back on track. He rewrote the script to get it within budget and then ghost-directed reshoots. Everything after the One Year Later title card, when characters suddenly behave differently and Invisible Woman has a very visible bad wig, was written and directed by Kinberg.

He chose to have Dr Doom killed off in the climax of the movie, only for the studio to then want a Dr Doom solo movie (because there is zero planning and strategy for these films).

 

[X-Maniac]

Let's hope so. Nobody that actually likes X-Men wants them combined. The best way forward is to maintain a separate universe and let Logan and Deadpool pop up in the Comedy Universe from time to time.

Leave the X-Men alone. Avengers pollution isn't needed.

I love the X-Men but have grown tired and frustrated with what Fox has done to them. It simply is unable to do a proper ensemble movie.

Fox's best performing and most profitable X-Men instalment is Deadpool, a film the studio didn't even want made for many years, with a VFX studio boss as the director - and doing better than other directors because he understands the material!

Logan is acclaimed but shows mutants extinct, the X-Men dead and Xavier skewered by Wolverine. Not exactly setting up a great future.

Meanwhile, X-Men Apocalypse crapped all over the mythos with poor portrayals and mischaracterisations, particularly for Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee, Apocalypse and Mystique. Doesn't bode well for the future, does it? Poor treatment of ethnic minorities and women are a hallmark of this series, along with bad wirework, bad fight scenes and bad CGI.

On those grounds, I'm more than willing to see Disney have a go.

And, guess what, Disney has bought Fox so the chances are that we WILL see a new iteration of X-Men in future.

To be honest, I'd rather see a well-developed Storm in a Black Panther movie and a better Beast in the Avengers than the poorly developed ones in the Fox films.

Reading your posts is like watching the final flailings of a dying dinosaur.