Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[psylockolussus]

Definitely, and if there's a First Class Five (Good God Disney, it'd be a crime if you let this happen). I bet James McAvoy would still look the same in a X-Men film set in the 2000s. While I wouldn't be surprised if Fasbender shows up for another Magneto side show.

 

[GuestStar2004]

One problem with that plan is that X1 showed the World Trade Center and everyone knows those buildings were destroyed on September 11, 2001. With Dark Phoenix being set in 1992, this series is inching closer to where the original trilogy started so Magneto should've looked like Ian McKellen already.

While that should be proof of when the film is set i imagine such a detail won't even be remembered that its even there as I didn't even know it appeared in the movie at all and this is the first time I ever heard anyone mention it.

I also wouldn't be shocked if they are seen to be in their 50s at his point purely because that seems to be the logical aging route to go from 20s in the 60s onwards as even Logan claimed Xavier is 90 in 2029

 

[Erik Lensherr]

While that should be proof of when the film is set i imagine such a detail won't even be remembered that its even there as I didn't even know it appeared in the movie at all and this is the first time I ever heard anyone mention it.

Same

 

[dax]

While that should be proof of when the film is set i imagine such a detail won't even be remembered that its even there as I didn't even know it appeared in the movie at all and this is the first time I ever heard anyone mention it.

I also wouldn't be shocked if they are seen to be in their 50s at his point purely because that seems to be the logical aging route to go from 20s in the 60s onwards as even Logan claimed Xavier is 90 in 2029

The X-men were looking at a 3D hologram of the World Trade Center as they were discussing their plan to infiltrate Liberty island. The buildings were also seen during the faraway shots of the island. Another thing, the beginning of X1 and First Class showed both Charles and Erik at age 11-12 in 1944 indicating they were born in the 1930's so they were already in their 50's in Apocalypse. Like Marvel United said, they should be sporting grey hair and wrinkles at that age thus making them look like Patrick and Ian. This creates an inconsistency with Charles's age in Logan because he is almost 100 in that film.

 

[psylockolussus]

2001 or 2003 or 2000 whatever. Magneto does age and he looked old inX1 to 4. Obviously Magneto looking pretty much the same from 1963 to 1992 or 1993 is an error that IMO doesn't need defending or reasoning. It is a big fat production error.

 

[SumT]

some fans really have a hard time dealing with critics, as small as they can be, zzzzzzz
the whole grey hair thing is pure lazyness and producers wanting Fassbender as hot as posible, because some producers really think it helps the boxoffice. There isnt any other reason.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Grey hair doesn't equal unattractive.

 

[JP]

some fans really have a hard time dealing with critics, as small as they can be, zzzzzzz
the whole grey hair thing is pure lazyness and producers wanting Fassbender as hot as posible, because some producers really think it helps the boxoffice. There isnt any other reason.

You are most likely right, but again how does that equal laziness?

Do people know what being lazy means? I feel like it's constantly used as a slur for lack of any better words.

It's been a conscious decision from the beginning to keep his hair natural.

 

[psylockolussus]

some fans really have a hard time dealing with critics, as small as they can be, zzzzzzz
the whole grey hair thing is pure lazyness and producers wanting Fassbender as hot as posible, because some producers really think it helps the boxoffice. There isnt any other reason.

Helps the box office?

First Class, Apocalypse, Assassin's Creed and Alien Covenant all underperformed and they featured Michael Fassbender in a lead role and they are also all Fox films. Expect the same fate with Dark Phoenix.

 

[SumT]

Helps the box office?

First Class, Apocalypse, Assassin's Creed and Alien Covenant all underperformed and they featured Michael Fassbender in a lead role and they are also all Fox films. Expect the same fate with Dark Phoenix.

Thats my point: its stupid. But producers have a lot of stupid ideas and opinions, as we all know. Thats Hollywood right there. Im pretty sure Kinberg deeply feels that a X-Men movie without Fassbender and Lawrence wouldnt be as good and neither would get the same numbers as with them. This is one of Fox and Kinberg biggest problems, they lack faith in the actual X-Men, they are scared.

Lauren S. Donner herself had a quote this year, talking about "moving on" from Erik-Charles, saying its exciting, but scary at the same time. That gave me the ultimate proof of their mindset. They are scared of really putting all the focus on the real x-men without those two actors. Yet, their movies never reach all their potential worldwide. Its not a coincidence. If producers dont believe 100% in the X-Men potential, their franchise wont ever reach the success and love they deserve. Never

 

[Marvel united]

The X-men were looking at a 3D hologram of the World Trade Center as they were discussing their plan to infiltrate Liberty island. The buildings were also seen during the faraway shots of the island. Another thing, the beginning of X1 and First Class showed both Charles and Erik at age 11-12 in 1944 indicating they were born in the 1930's so they were already in their 50's in Apocalypse. Like Marvel United said, they should be sporting grey hair and wrinkles at that age thus making them look like Patrick and Ian. This creates an inconsistency with Charles's age in Logan because he is almost 100 in that film.

 

[Snikt]

Are we really holding it against the first X-Men film for including the World Trade Center in the film and for not being able to foresee a horrific terrorist attack a full year before it happened?

 

[psylockolussus]

Thats my point: its stupid. But producers have a lot of stupid ideas and opinions, as we all know. Thats Hollywood right there. Im pretty sure Kinberg deeply feels that a X-Men movie without Fassbender and Lawrence wouldnt be as good and neither would get the same numbers as with them. This is one of Fox and Kinberg biggest problems, they lack faith in the actual X-Men, they are scared.

Lauren S. Donner herself had a quote this year, talking about "moving on" from Erik-Charles, saying its exciting, but scary at the same time. That gave me the ultimate proof of their mindset. They are scared of really putting all the focus on the real x-men without those two actors. Yet, their movies never reach all their potential worldwide. Its not a coincidence. If producers dont believe 100% in the X-Men potential, their franchise wont ever reach the success and love they deserve. Never

A lot of the decisions that Fox made after Dofp are such a miss.

Like if they really care about the star power then they should know who were the real draw in Dofp and should have brought those actors for the sequel. Like before Jackman decided to leave after Logan. Like I just watched Apocalypse again and his role in that movie was really poor. In x5, his role wouldn't have felt so tacked in. But no, First Class cast must stay and Apocalypse underperformed and here we are again, in Dark Phoenix with almost the same cast.

If they care so much about star power, and why bring back the less appealing cast. I just think they are blinded by the Oscar stuff that Fassbender/Lawrence got recently but it doesn't really do much to the X-Men films that they appear in.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Thats my point: its stupid. But producers have a lot of stupid ideas and opinions, as we all know. Thats Hollywood right there. Im pretty sure Kinberg deeply feels that a X-Men movie without Fassbender and Lawrence wouldnt be as good and neither would get the same numbers as with them. This is one of Fox and Kinberg biggest problems, they lack faith in the actual X-Men, they are scared.

But thats speaking from a bias point of view though, its automatically seen as creatively doing it for the wrong reason purely because you personally can't think of any creative right reason for it beyond the shallowness of hollywood.

People latch on to Fassbenders star power as an excuse but its probably not the fact its fassbender, its probably more the fact he plays Magneto.

Magneto alone is still one of the most popular characters in the X-Men and universe and in most popular character polls you would probably find him in the top of that.

Does Magneto need to be in the movie? Not if there isn't a good purpose to have him there and thats gonna be what we find out in a few months time.

 

[psylockolussus]

Lauren S. Donner herself had a quote this year, talking about "moving on" from Erik-Charles, saying its exciting, but scary at the same time. That gave me the ultimate proof of their mindset. They are scared of really putting all the focus on the real x-men without those two actors. Yet, their movies never reach all their potential worldwide. Its not a coincidence. If producers dont believe 100% in the X-Men potential, their franchise wont ever reach the success and love they deserve. Never

I wouldn't say that they are scared. These are the producers behind the Gambit movie, Multiple Man film and a horror new Mutants film after all. I just think their over all planning is misguided.

Like back in 2003, if someone predicted that Fox would be releasing a multiple Man film, a Gambit film, a New Mutants spin off and X-Force in the late 2010s. I would have thought "oh maybe Rogue, Cyclops, Storm, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus, Beast and the other famous X-Men are already well developed and they are just branching out"... But that's not even in the case.

 

[SumT]

the reason why Logan, Deadpool and the like are that praised/loved, its because of the creative team involved, that means: writer and director.

Same reason the x-men main movies have so many fans frustrated/pissed: Bryan and Kinberg. They dont give a damm about half the x-men and even if they write them an arc, its a poor one, that or some are just used as cameos. Thats the best these two creatives can do with these characters. What can we expect with this vision?

if we had Mangold and Tim Miller directing and writing a few X-Men movies, that would be a whole different story.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if we had Mangold and Tim Miller directing and writing a few X-Men movies, that would be a whole different story.

Mangold? you mean the guy who likely killed off X-Men off screen in Logan?

Well he was planning on doing it onscreen in a flashback but changed his mind later on.

Yes mangold made a good movie (93%) but thats because he told a good story the way he wanted to do it with his "vision".

 

[fobi]

Are we really holding it against the first X-Men film for including the World Trade Center in the film and for not being able to foresee a horrific terrorist attack a full year before it happened?

I actually thought this whole back and forth couldn't get any more silly but this takes the cake. Lol

 

[psylockolussus]

the reason why Logan, Deadpool and the like are that praised/loved, its because of the creative team involved, that means: writer and director.

Same reason the x-men main movies have so many fans frustrated/pissed: Bryan and Kinberg. They dont give a damm about half the x-men and even if they write them an arc, its a poor one, that or some are just used as cameos. Thats the best these two creatives can do with these characters. What can we expect with this vision?

if we had Mangold and Tim Miller directing and writing a few X-Men movies, that would be a whole different story.

I just don't know why its so hard to find new people to direct/write a X-Men ensemble. Instead they focused more on spin offs like Wolverine films, Deadpool, The New Mutants, X-Force, Laura and Multiple Man.

Its fine if they make those films but don't forget about the X-Men. The X-Men should be the main dish, but they are stuck in the past, being written/directed by Kinberg, the younger cast lacks star power and Magneto/Raven keep taking importance from the other X-Men. Like I am telling you, right now they would be mourning Raven's death throughout the film if Jean kills her. Like Raven wouldn't be in the movie for two hours but her death would be such a thing that it still ends up a Mystique show and Storm, Psylocke would just be there showing powers and nothing much. While Magneto would have a pivotal role in defeating Chastain's character just like in the previous films.

 

[The Guard]

I’d like to see a scene where Magneto dyes his hair brown. That’ll show ‘em.

 

[EnDz0n3]

They'll get a mutant to change his hair color for him. Like a Doug Ramsey but for hair dyes.

 

[BatofGotham]

Do you guys think with Disney recently acquiring X-Men properties from Fox, that this is the end of Fox's X-Men film franchise? Think that this film will be the last one before Marvel starts releasing their own X-Men films?

 

[psylockolussus]

Hopefully, YES!

 

[Loki882]

One problem with that plan is that X1 showed the World Trade Center and everyone knows those buildings were destroyed on September 11, 2001. With Dark Phoenix being set in 1992, this series is inching closer to where the original trilogy started so Magneto should've looked like Ian McKellen already.

I don't know a single person outside of hardcore fans online, who pay WAY more attention to ultimately nitpicky details like this anyway, who remembers the WTC in X1. What they DO tend to remember is the "not too distant future" nebulous moniker.

So no, it's not a big issue to the public at large.

 

[NotNickFury]

On an unrelated note, and excuse to post this X-image, hopefully folks are having a good holiday. Yes, even you.