Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 2

[Web-Head]

I haven't been reading too much about the movies lately. Are they really doing Dark Phoenix next movie? Is that confirmed?

Because Jesus, that sucks. Last movie, Scott and Jean weren't even dating. Give them the god damn time to be developed. As individuals and as a couple.

Give time (and story) for the audience to care about these characters first. The Phoenix Saga won't have the impact it should if there is little or no emotional connection to the characters.

And why the hell Jean can't be just Jean? What is wrong with that?

And Kinberg both writing and directing? Geez...

Yep, this.

Heck, I'd even be cool with a small scale Jean and Scott team up film.

 

[JP]

Jeff Sneider dismissed the Kinberg report, says he's not the choice.

If there is a God...

 

[psylockolussus]

It seems like Kinberg and company has an obsession with the Dark Phoenix saga, but eh there are literally hundreds of stories to adapt and would work better than this one. I'd rather see Jean control the force better instead of going bananas again, and we know she will survive this so it's just gonna kill suspense for the movie. Anyway, its already heading to a big misdirection just with the writer involved.

 

[Web-Head]

How much has Sneider discredited? Because apparently Kinberg already wrote a draft of the script

 

[psylockolussus]

Kinberg as the top contender makes me think that nobody else wants to touch the main X-Men series

I don't think that's the case. Anyone that is passionate towards the source material would love to touch this. Maybe Fox isn't just looking that hard for Singer's replacement. Aside from Legion, Logan and the other spin offs, it doesn't look there are doing a lot to really win us over again with their take on the main X-Men.

 

[psylockolussus]

How are they going to cram all the Jean going Dark, space, Imperial Guard, M'Krann into one true to the comics movie? I don't see it happening successfully. Apocalypse shouldn't have been just one movie arc either.

They could have definitely used Apocalypse for at least 3 films and cameo roles. With the new timeline, then Fox's interest with Legion, they could have given us a string of films and shows related to AoA. But like what Leo said, it is what it is.

 

[Roose Bolton]

How much has Sneider discredited? Because apparently Kinberg already wrote a draft of the script

He implied that Kinberg wants it more so than Fox want it, but he didn't get into the matter.

 

[psylockolussus]

I welcome Vaughan back if he's available now that Kingsman 2 is done. Singer's Phoenix saga was meant to be a two parter. His version of X3 allegedly ended with Jean leaving Earth then returning in X4 from space as Dark Phoenix.

Vaughn is a good director but I'd rather see him complete his Kingsman trilogy. I fear that his involvement in another X-Men movie, he would just create more inconsistencies to the timeline which is the problem with the directors of this franchise.

 

[2kt09]

Rather have Jane Goldman than Vaughn as much I like/love his other cbm's.

It's not at all about conforming to the OT given those characters got a clean slate, so not sure what inconsistencies could be made at this point.

 

[psyonic]

Rather have Jane Goldman than Vaughn as much I like/love his other cbm's.

It's not at all about conforming to the OT given those characters got a clean slate, so not sure what inconsistencies could be made at this point.

"Challenge accepted", says Fox

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's rather bizarre that Fox would reward someone who's not even a very good writer with directing duties for one of their few remaining franchises.

Directing debut at that.

Unless you count Fant4stic which Fox absolutely should.

Just based off his work on Fox's comic book properties, this guy should've been "out" as primary writer but no.
Butchering the Dark Phoenix Saga in TLS should've been Strike One. Fantastic Four + his "stepping up" to shadow direct that should've been Strike Two. The bad reviews for Apocalypse should've been his Strike Three.

I really don't get it.

Sure let the dude produce to his heart's content but here's hoping this director rumor gets nipped from the bud. NOW.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well he's worked on successful films before, (Mr. & Mrs.Smith, Sherlock Holmes, Cinderella, The Martian) and in addition to that he's currently got a solid job at Lucasfilm as a producer/writer with Rebels, a creative consultant for The Force Awakens, and an Anthology film that's in the works. Not to mention the fact that he's written and/or produced some of X-franchise's most critically acclaimed installments, (First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool, Logan). The negative installments he had a hand in were also written by multiple writers, so that might also offset some of the stigma he may have gotten.

I don't especially want him as director, but it's not like he doesn't have a good resume that might be attractive to the people calling the shots at Fox.

 

[def28]

Kinberg is a solid producer, and we wouldn't have gotten some great films without him. I just don't get why he needs to be handed everything creatively when he really hasn't proven himself in that area. He has been attached to far more bad then good as a writer.

After the Last Stand backlash this guy should have learned his lesson while ago. But he has not shown otherwise.

Right now X-Men needs a sure thing or fresh take, cause it is in decline with audiences. What it doesn't need is the writer of X3 and Apocalypse.

 

[Smilodon]

You certainly don't follow up Legion and Logan with something as risky as Kinberg directing, that's for sure. Mangold has basically created an all-timer, and Fox has gotta keep it going.

 

[def28]

It's kinda crazy that this is probably the best shape the X franchise has been in, yet the X-Men themselves are the ones in trouble.

They really need to find a way they can stand out.

 

[Smilodon]

It's kinda baffling too, considering they've seen what works and what hasn't worked. They could basically just say, "Here, play with the X-Men like Deadpool, Legion and Logan did. Just make sure you stay on schedule, don't go over budget and check which characters you want to use."

It's not even like WB where they're intrusive and rushing to get things announced etc. They give their creators time and freedom to work too with regards to X-Men. I think it's definitely the Dark Phoenix thing that's holding this franchise back. It's like the one thing the producers seem adamant on doing. X3 haunts us a decade later.

 

[Retroman]

Simon Kinberg isn't a choice i'm confident in...at all. In my opnion, that's a major step down from the talent we're used in this franchise. Sure, he has an extensive producing and writing resume. But the same can't be said of his directing credentials. Besides some uncredited 2nd unit work on Fantastic Four he has NO experience in that regard. As far as i can tell, he's not even helmed a commercial or a short film!

X-Men shouldn't be a testing ground to see if he's a good director or not.Why doesn't he try his hand at directing a few epiosdes of a t.v. show or a low budget movie first? What's the rush?*shakes head*

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's almost like the guy doesn't know his own limits.

With writing and now supposedly wanting to direct (I still don't buy this, btw), does he fancy himself the next Kubrick/Nolan/Cohens/Tarantino?

Do the people defending this really think he's capable of doing both (writing and directing) competently?

First Class and DOFP were both successful as he had great collaborators who took the lead in Vaughn (+Goldman) and Singer (+Ottman) respectively.

Do the people defending this really think Kinberg directing a script written by Kinberg not produce anything other than a dud?

It's almost like Fox wants this film to fail if they're even thinking about making this into reality.

 

[Smilodon]

I'm just gonna hope Sneider is right and he isn't the choice, and that Snider/Watts aren't that dumb. Watts is known for being a producer who is good with filmmakers too - she is the sole reason why Jim Cameron works at Fox. So it's weird that there isn't someone else in line to take this job. The potential for a real artist to come in and do great work is there.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I can't remember what i was wrong about.

Can't quote posts from Part 1 thread. I'll just say everyone (including you) shot me down everytime I brought up the obvious fact Kinberg is directing this. The evidence was always there since last year.

I still think this is a Kinberg Director/Producer/Writer combo.

But Simon Kinberg is meeting with Michael & James..... isn't that the "Director's" job? The CompleX continues.

Kinberg met with fassbender while writing Apocalypse so it is nothing new really.

Why are people suddenly acting like he's merely a writer for these films? He's also a main producer so he would help assemble cast, help hire the director etc..

Producers are heavily involved in casting films. This is no big deal.

Just a youtuber's assumption it seems. Gossip and rumour becomes news so quickly nowadays.

I doubt Kinberg's the director but there's .01% chance Fox still doesn't get it.

If Kinberg were going to direct, wouldn't the studio have announced it by now?

It's not Kinberg.

 

[def28]

It's almost like the guy doesn't know his own limits.

With writing and now supposedly wanting to direct (I still don't buy this, btw), does he fancy himself the next Kubrick/Nolan/Cohens/Tarantino?

Do the people defending this really think he's capable of doing both (writing and directing) competently?

First Class and DOFP were both successful as he had great collaborators who took the lead in Vaughn (+Goldman) and Singer (+Ottman) respectively.

Do the people defending this really think Kinberg directing a script written by Kinberg not produce anything other than a dud?

It's almost like Fox wants this film to fail if they're even thinking about making this into reality.

I know it's always trying to be said he doesn't have much say but with all of his producing credits now, the guy does have power and mass connections. If they don't give him a directing or writing credit, what happens to that relationship that has been established since X3? Fox is likely in an odd decision if he want's it. They won't just kick him off when he is involved with Deadpool, Legion and Logan etc.

...and allegedly this guy is writing X-Force too right?

 

[EnDz0n3]

The simple answer is not all producers have to be directors. Just like not all billionaire real estate moguls have to be presidents.

If Fox can't see this and they can't control their "talent" maybe they deserve to have this franchise remain a middle-of-the-road box office earner.

Can't quote posts from Part 1 thread. I'll just say everyone (including you) shot me down everytime I brought up the obvious fact Kinberg is directing this. The evidence was always there since last year.

That's not really something to be proud of

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

That's not really something to be proud of

I've felt Kinberg was directing since last year so I've made my peace with this outcome months ago.

 

[def28]

The simple answer is not all producers have to be directors. Just like not all billionaire real estate moguls have to be presidents.

If Fox can't see this and they can't control their "talent" maybe they deserve to have this franchise remain a middle-of-the-road box office earner.

Sadly true.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Kinberg potentially directing aside, does anyone else think it's too ealy to revisit the Dark Phoenix Saga, especially if it's limited to one film?

I certainly think it's too early to do it. Jean and Scott weren't even a couple by the end of Apocalypse, now they want to jump straight into another DPS? It doesn't make sense to me as they to give these characters a bit of development first before jumping into something that deep and tragic.

IMO they should do a Proteus movie first like the original plan was. Use that movie to develop Jean and Scott more, give us a new villain and no Mystique and give Magneto a rest for one movie also.

Them just jumping straight into DPS doesn't make sense to me. Throw in Kinberg directing and it's an idiotic move by Fox when the franchise is on a high with Legion and Logan.