86th Annual Academy Awards (2014) - Part 2

[Lencho01]

This Leo thing is too funny...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...rdo-DiCaprio-fails-win-Oscar-FOURTH-time.html

 

[Lencho01]

http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydi...00-ebay-20140303,0,362840.story#axzz2uxuynZM7

Arby's, you crazy.

I never realized that was the type of hat their logo was supposed to be.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Lencho01]

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[Hunter Rider]

Pharell: Please dance?!
Bale: LOL NO

I think Bale is considering getting one of those howdy doody hats!

All Northern states (where Solomon lived) had abolished slavery by 1804.

Southern states kept it until it was abolished nationwide following their defeat in the Civil War in 1865, 20 years after the events of 12 Years a Slave.

Thanks for the info Schloss, always cool to learn more. So basically in order to satiate their love of having slaves they were systematically kidnapping free black people from the North to add to their numbers, a twisted case of supply and demand in a section of the US that took longer to evolve than the rest of the country.

A real eye opener as I had no idea that had gone on, so to refute an earlier point, it certainly educated me on an important piece of history and I wouldn't think I was the only one, especially outside of the US, to not know about this.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Why the **** didn't Garfield show? I assume had a pretty decent excuse because he probably needed the face time more than Evans.

I've been pondering the same thing, I haven't seen anywhere any explanation why he didn't show up.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Thanks for the info Schloss, always cool to learn more. So basically in order to satiate their love of having slaves they were systematically kidnapping free black people from the North to add to their numbers, a twisted case of supply and demand in a section of the US that took longer to evolve than the rest of the country.

A real eye opener as I had no idea that had gone on, so to refute an earlier point, it certainly educated me on an important piece of history and I wouldn't think I was the only one, especially outside of the US, to not know about this.

I recommend you also watch the film Glory as well.

 

[Schlosser85]

Glory is a great film. A lot of people before its release didn't know there were black soldiers fighting on the Union side in the Civil War.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

To be honest that's a fact that I myself didn't know until I saw that film as a kid, that's an amazing movie.

 

[Pink Ranger]

And of course, Gangs Of New York provides another perspective, that African-Americans were subject to atrocities in the North as well.

 

[DACrowe]

I will tell you something that probably will sit ill with a lot of guys here.

Schindler's List is a very limited movie. It is not a compliment to call any movie the Schindler's List of its genre.

I liked it when I saw it but with distance I see it as an artfully made but ultimately reductive film. If you truly want to see a great film about the Holocaust, a film that truly transcends the medium and achieves the kind of insight that most movies can even dream of - watch Shoah. It is simply of the greatest films ever made.

Schindler's List is a lesser Holocaust movie. 12 Years is an even lesser slavery movie.

A movie's subject does not make it great. So 12 years a slave is not a great movie just because it is about slavery.

Its ok. I see absolutely nothing important there. Its a good movie but that's it. I won't burden it with any undue importance lest in collapse and crumble beneath it.

Wait, Schindler's List is a lesser Holocaust movie? Please tell me you don't think The Pianist or Life is Beautiful are better?

As for 12 Years a Slave, it is a magnificent achievement, because it does not pander to either white guilt or try to comfort audiences. It is methodical in its mechanical screech to the sound of slavery, and uncomfortably honest about human suffering. It tracks how leviathan the institution is, but it never sentimentalizes the plight, instead taking a step back and forcing us to breathe in the wickedness.

I don't know. I think it is the best movie of the year.

 

[Warhammer]

As for 12 Years a Slave, it is a magnificent achievement, because it does not pander to either white guilt or try to comfort audiences. It is methodical in its mechanical screech to the sound of slavery, and uncomfortably honest about human suffering. It tracks how leviathan the institution is, but it never sentimentalizes the plight, instead taking a step back and forcing us to breathe in the wickedness.

I agree. It was raw and unrelenting as opposed to trying to sugar coat or present an agenda. And if you want to look outside the box and use a bit of empathy, Northup was only a slave for twelve years. You wouldn't wish what he went through on anyone, no matter how much you hated them. Imagine people who were born and died on a plantation, especially on one owned by Epps (Fassbender).

 

[Schlosser85]

I think Schindler's List and The Pianist are both excellent Holocaust films, but I prefer Schindler's List because it gives a broader overview. You see the Jewish side, the Nazi side, the ghetto, the concentration camps, etc.

The Pianist focuses strictly on a very narrow viewpoint. Which there's nothing wrong with.

But if I had one single Holocaust movie to show students in a history class, it'd be Schindler, hands down.

And if I had one single movie about American slavery to show, it'd be 12 Years a Slave. Roots gives a broader overview of the whole history, but A) it's way too long for class purposes, and B) it's dated and tame in comparison. 12 Years is more brutal and more honest.

 

[MrMaooz]

Life is Beautiful is also amazing. You guys should really check it out.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Roots goes from the Colonial Era to after the Civil War, followed by the sequel "Roots: The Next Generations" which went from after the Civil War to the Civil Rights Era.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thanks for the info Schloss, always cool to learn more. So basically in order to satiate their love of having slaves they were systematically kidnapping free black people from the North to add to their numbers, a twisted case of supply and demand in a section of the US that took longer to evolve than the rest of the country.

A real eye opener as I had no idea that had gone on, so to refute an earlier point, it certainly educated me on an important piece of history and I wouldn't think I was the only one, especially outside of the US, to not know about this.

Of course, it took another 100 years for African Americans to have equal rights as White Americans, thanks to men like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who was basically to African Americans what Nelson Mandela was to Black South Africans (in fact, Mandela has always admired King). I'm sure you know who Dr. King is (or at least have heard of him), I'm just making the comparison for our other Foreign posters.

 

[RockSP]

Say what you want about it deserving to win Best Picture because that's entirely subjective, but to everyone in the past 10 or so pages that have said that 12 Years a Slave has shown nothing new about how slavery is portrayed, you have lost me completely. That s*** baffles me beyond words.

Couple of questions for those that feel that way:

1) It didn't show anything new compared to...what? It's not like hollyweird has been making tons of slavery movies. There's this and there's Tarantino's cartoon (which isn't really about slavery). That's it.

2) Since when is "showing something new" a prerequisite to win this arbitrary award?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well, at least we know that we'll be seeing three of the four Oscar winning actors soon.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Ridley says that there's no beef between him and McQueen:

“Listen, without Steve McQueen I wouldn’t have this Oscar tonight [...] I owe a lot to the genius of Steve McQueen, and I am forever grateful to have had the chance to work with him [...] I had less than two minutes to thank everybody, and I was so caught up in the emotion of the moment when I was onstage [...] It was Steve’s wife who found Solomon Northup’s book. It was a great honor, but also a challenge because I wanted to be true to him, to turn Solomon’s eloquent words into a screenplay."

 

[redhawk23]

I think Bale is considering getting one of those howdy doody hats!



Thanks for the info Schloss, always cool to learn more. So basically in order to satiate their love of having slaves they were systematically kidnapping free black people from the North to add to their numbers, a twisted case of supply and demand in a section of the US that took longer to evolve than the rest of the country.

A real eye opener as I had no idea that had gone on, so to refute an earlier point, it certainly educated me on an important piece of history and I wouldn't think I was the only one, especially outside of the US, to not know about this.

Make no mistake, the North was absolutely caught up in the slave trade system. Outlawing slavery didn't stop the industries in the north, mills and such from being entirely dependent upon the cheap materials harvested by slave labor in the South.

 

[Warhammer]

Ridley says that there's no beef between him and McQueen:

Sounds like a typical response to save face. We all saw it. Nothing can be said to dispel it. Just be up front about it or don't say anything at all.

 

[Schlosser85]

Ridley also didn't really technically say there's not a beef, he just acknowledged McQueen's hand in his Oscar win.

 

[Warhammer]

That's true as well.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Man for days now I've been skimming these posts thinking 'why is Ridley Scott feuding with Steve McQueen? Steve McQueen is dead!"

 

[Kane52630]

hehe.