88th Annual Academy Awards - Part 2

[Pink Ranger]

Now I'm curious as to where I am on that black spectrum.

You're right between Rachel Dolezal and Iggy Azalea.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You're right between Rachel Dolezal and Iggy Azalea.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I believe he is using over the top language to get his point across. His point being that he hates Superhero films.

It's one thing to hate comic book films which is fine, but to use those choice of words when describing them, it's so extreme you'd think those words are very specific with thought and purpose. It's just a leap when going from hating a genre of film to using such specific language. I've seen people dislike comic book films, but not quite describe it like that. It verges on some Dr. Wertham kind of talk with those words.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I gotta wonder, does anyone who considers current CBMs cultural genocide remember the stupidity of pop culture of the 80's?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's one thing to hate comic book films which is fine, but to use those choice of words when describing them, it's so extreme you'd think those words are very specific with thought and purpose. It's just a leap when going from hating a genre of film to using such specific language. I've seen people dislike comic book films, but not quite describe it like that. It verges on some Dr. Wertham kind of talk with those words.

Well he is a pretentious ******* so that might explain his language being more over the top than needed.

 

[Enriquespy]

He is entitled to his discourse, but the question is whether we truly understand it or if we are asigning him ideas that he does not have.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Refer to the post above yours.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If he wants to clear anything up he is free to but right now I'll take his words at face value.

Many here are angry at him for what he said but I am not. I do think he is pretentious but I'm not offended that he hates comic book movies and uses some irrational words when discussing his distaste for the genre.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I get not liking something, but by calling something cultural genocide suggests that many people who enjoy these movies (including... pretty much everybody participating in these boards. I mean are we victims of this genocide? How does he see us? I mean really, let's explore the implications of the language here since it's so specific) are part of that "genocide." Even if we're "assigning him ideas," it's a half baked opinion wrapped in hyperbole. I just don't have time for pretentious *******s sticking their noses up at what people enjoy. It doesn't help his movies aren't that good either.

I think a documentary on the making of the Revenant would have been more emotionally satisfying. At least there would have been some emotional connection with me feeling sorry for the crew members that Inarritu yelled at. It's too bad he seemed to put more passion into that than the direction of anything Leo could muster in that cold.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Lol people pissed off at what Iñarritu said. Who really cares, how does it affect anyone's lives if he hates CBMs and the way he described them.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lol people pissed off at what Iñarritu said. Who really cares, how does it affect anyone's lives if he hates CBMs and the way he described them.

Well he's not the only one who despises CBMs.

A bigger backlash against superhero movies is coming.

 

[Mysteryman]

Well he's not the only one who despises CBMs.

A bigger backlash against superhero movies is coming.

When?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Pretentious director's whom should have lost the Oscar to George Miller not liking comic book movies does not point to a backlash happening.

We've heard that the comic book movie was in trouble for 5 years now and I still haven't seen any reason to believe The End is Nighers.

 

[Iron_Stark]

He's pretentious, but deserved that Oscar more than Miller, and the Academy agrees.

They've been saying the end is near for all CBMs for years now, him saying it doesn't mean squat.

 

[Rocketman]

I was certainly wrong about CBMs being in trouble, I will admit. 2016 is going to absolutely shock us.

Deadpool
Batman v Superman
Captain America: Civil War
Suicide Squad
X-Men: Apocalypse
Doctor Strange
TMNT: Out of the Shadows

Those are all huge winners. And 2017 is even bigger.

 

[Breogan]

LOL at the Iñárritu hate.
Total outsider doing his own thing in hollywood, and not what every studio "wants" to market to 16 yo , walks away with the Directing Oscar. ...again!
So some hate it.
Yeah he came down hard on the Superhero genre, which he hates on a social, political, economic and ideological level, harsh, I get it , it's not his thing, so some here are buthurt.
He was specifically asked about what the interviewer described as "Hollywood’s fixation with superheroes".
Their words, so in that context he commented:

On Top of that, this was specifically during Birdman, a movie that lampooned Hollywood's obsession with Superhero and franchise movies and how it haunts an actor trying to reinvent himself outside that world, a public and fans that only wants to see him in that role, and the critics who would never accept him in any other, as a "real" actor.
Which in context he compared to the perceived glut of superhero movies which Hollywood was financing because the payback on these tremendous commercial franchises was so huge! While they won't bankroll or even look at smaller films that won't return big, so they had to scrape to get a movie like Birdman made.
And he's right in that context the studios fixation on the latest craze, can be cultural genocide.

I want to see the studio commit to MadXMan IIIV too, but you also need crap like Birdman. No big deal or pretence about it.

Then the guy goes and reinvents himself again, and makes something totally different, nobody wanted. Which to me contained everything he hates about Superhero films, and more!
And wins Director again!
LOL

The comment "the film deserves to be watched in a temple.” was a huge compliment to his cinematographer, in the context of looking at a painted Mural.
And again he's right, it's terrifyingly beautiful, and the dual themes of beauty and brutality of man and nature and how to survive it are the ones catechized in the holiest places.

So haters gonna hate.

Here are the backstage interviews:
Leonardo DiCaprio and Alejandro González Iñárritu
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Emmanuel "Chivo" Lubezki
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Can't wait to see what these guys do next!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Not everyone likes Superhero films, that's fine with me.

I did find it funny that Oscars hate the genre that is keeping Hollywood afloat though. The Oscars obsessive insideriness has produced yet another low rated show. And no I am not a moron I do not think that films should be nominated based on box office numbers.

Ron Howard said this about the genre:

"I've had opportunities over the years [to make superhero movies]," he shared. "I really feel like you shouldn't make a movie as a kind of exercise. You have to be all the way in. I was never a comic book guy. I like the movies when I see them, especially the origin stories. I never felt like I could be on the set, at 3 o'clock in the morning, tired, with 10 important decisions to make, and know, intuitively, what the story needs. For me, I'd be copycatting and not inventing. I’ve never said yes to one."

As for not everyone liking superhero films, that is true. A lot of us want to see Nate Parker in a Comic book movie, but for all we know, he may not be interested (although I am sure he'll be asked about it when "Birth of a Nation" inches closer to release).

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

There were like 3 superhero movies last year.

And Hollywood is a business. You want the Oscar bait season to extend into the summer?

Tough s--t.

Hollywood mega franchises pay the bills, not movies like Crash or The Artist. That's reality.

 

[Breogan]

Also Inarritu makes Mexico looks good, so ther is that.

Should be proud.
DiCaprio said it best - Jump to 4:35
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[Breogan]

is there a reason why I mostly hear about black issues more than others? Do other people groups not have the same representative power? Less unified?

Others groups protest, latinos, Asians, Native Americans, Middle Easterners, honestly i don't think it gets the media coverage black protests do.
It was obvious this boycott wasn't about them which happens every year, it was about the absence of one specific color that triggered it.
Latinos, asians, etc are so poorly represented on screen or when you pan the oscar crowds, their snap "absence" wouldn't even register it's so bad.

Also Latino doesn't easily fit the black white paradigm narrative of this and other protest, as they come in every color, and actually for once are beginning to get representation here with Iñárritu, Chivo, Gabriel Osorio and Pato Escala in animated short, and past Cuarón, that they need to celebrate too, although the irony that it's all behind the camera isn't lost on anyone.
Also Mexicans and latinos were burned when they asked people to boycott Trump on SNL and other ventures, and were completely ignored by everyone!

Had Trump lumped all blacks as criminals and rapists he'd be destroyed in the media and run out of business. And he certainly wouldn't be on SNL.
Yet to the contrary, he said it about Mexicans and the media hyped up Trumps presence even more, helping him launch and fuel his presidential campaign on hate (which apparently expresses what people really want to hear and feel).

I do love the pandering towards African Americans, like Hispanics, Asians and Middle Easterners didn't get the shaft either.

True in a performance purported to criticize the absence of representation of all people of color, only blacks are mentioned, and two straight up racist jokes were leveled at Asians, one by Chris Rock with the kids, the other by Sasha Baron Cohen, and the media barely covered it.
If you look at Arthur Redcloud & Dwayne Howard nearly brought to tears when someone (Iñárritu and DiCaprio) finally mention native americans.

The public protest are there though, the media coverage not so much.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

He's pretentious, but deserved that Oscar more than Miller, and the Academy agrees.

They've been saying the end is near for all CBMs for years now, him saying it doesn't mean squat.

Nobody deserves an academy award more then someone else, it's all subjective. Politics play a huge role and we all have our favorites. I feel Todd Haynes deserved to win, but he wasn't even nominated! I personally loved it when Almodovar won all those years ago because he's my favorite, but beyond my own bias it means nothing in terms of what others think. Something as simple as not liking someone or being friends with someone nominated can influence the outcome beyond any performance criteria or artistic integrity.

 

[jmc]

Apparently Sasha Baron Cohen wasn't meant to present as Ali G. His wife smuggled the costume in and just before he presented he put it on.

 

[craigdbfan]

That was the best part of the show by far.

 

[Lord]

There were like 3 superhero movies last year.

And Hollywood is a business. You want the Oscar bait season to extend into the summer?

Tough s--t.

Hollywood mega franchises pay the bills, not movies like Crash or The Artist. That's reality.

Of course not, that film was French, not done by Hollywood.

 

[superboy13]

One thing about Iñárritu is for sure: that guy, without his MVP (Lubezki) is nothing. He used to be barely above average when he worked with Prieto, but now that his head is in the clouds and think he's God's gift to filmmaking, take Chivo away from him and wait to see him crash and burn.