BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[Unbreakable Lex]

Which isn't integral to the plot of this film. That's set up for the upcoming Justice league film.

Diana finding out what dirt Luthor had on her also had nothing to do with the plot of THIS film, it was just set up for the Wonder woman and justice league films.

There are ways to set up later films in a series that don't require scenes that don't serve the plot at all.

If something doesn't serve the plot it should be relegated to the background, an off hand mention, or a post credits scene.

Just dumping something in the middle of the movie with little to not context or impact on the overall film is just bad film making.

Why do you keep saying that setting up Justice League isn't pivotal to the plot when it's in the title of the movie?

 

[Aquafinn90]

Which isn't integral to the plot of this film. That's set up for the upcoming Justice league film.

Diana finding out what dirt Luthor had on her also had nothing to do with the plot of THIS film, it was just set up for the Wonder woman and justice league films.

There are ways to set up later films in a series that don't require scenes that don't serve the plot at all.

If something doesn't serve the plot it should be relegated to the background, an off hand mention, or a post credits scene.

Just dumping something in the middle of the movie with little to not context or impact on the overall film is just bad film making.

I disagree. I think that entire Meta-human plot is integral to Lex and what he stands for in the movie. I mean, could it have been left out or moved to post credits? sure, but I don't think it was completely random and out of the place- Like I said before I think maybe the way it was presented was a bit bizarre. Like, "ok, here are the logos and now you are going to see them back to back"

 

[Flint Marko]

FR cost 150m-grossed 378m
BvS cost 250+m-grossed (will gross) 800m-1b

more people bought tickets to BvS than FR.
BvS made more profit than FR.
but FR is the success?

(production costs-not marketing)

And FR is not raking in toy and merchandising money.

just be fair guys...

They dumped a lot more money than 250 million into BvS. Most reports put the price tag around 400 million.
In terms of the comparison to FR, you're talking about a movie that received nowhere near the marketing budget of BvS and was eventually nominated for 10 Oscars, winning 6 I believe. It received massive acclaim from critics and was generally well regarded by audiences - please note that none of these things can be said about BvS. Even if BvS is more financially successful, FR will be remembered far more fondly in years to come.

 

[Wylie Times]

Why do you keep saying that setting up Justice League isn't pivotal to the plot when it's in the title of the movie?

Because it's just a subtitle they threw on after the fact. The plot of the movie revolves around Batman and Superman facing off.

I disagree. I think that entire Meta-human plot is integral to Lex and what he stands for in the movie. I mean, could it have been left out or moved to post credits? sure, but I don't think it was completely random and out of the place- Like I said before I think maybe the way it was presented was a bit bizarre. Like, "ok, here are the logos and now you are going to see them back to back"

As is I don't feel it was necessary at all. Lex honestly doesn't seem all that concerned with anybody outside of Superman.

Maybe those things are fleshed out better in the directors cut.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

They dumped a lot more money than 250 million into BvS. Most reports put the price tag around 400 million.
In terms of the comparison to FR, you're talking about a movie that received nowhere near the marketing budget of BvS and was eventually nominated for 10 Oscars, winning 6 I believe. It received massive acclaim from critics and was generally well regarded by audiences - please note that none of these things can be said about BvS. Even if BvS is more financially successful, FR will be remembered far more fondly in years to come.

THIS. And I wanted BvS to be the best DC film, in like, ever.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Because it's just a subtitle they threw on after the fact. The plot of the movie revolves around Batman and Superman facing off.



As is I don't feel it was necessary at all. Lex honestly doesn't seem all that concerned with anybody outside of Superman.

Maybe those things are fleshed out better in the directors cut.

Well obviously Superman would be the focus as the other ones are not publicly known yet. At least it appears that way, but again I could totally get one board with that subplot being left in the Ultimate Cut

 

[souperman]

Hey, lets lock the Arc of the Covenant - the power of GOD in a government warehouse...forever...You want to study it? Nah, what for?

Hey, Lets take this crappy old boat and crazy captain to hunt the unrealistically humongous killer shark...we should be alright.

Hey, maybe I'll tell this reporter the name of my home world so some evil genius can read a newspaper and deduce that Kryptonite can kill me, even though he knows NOTHING about me or my world...and that a rock traveled through 8, count them, 8 galaxies can somehow land on the very planet my ship navigated to.

Hey, I've got an idea. Lets chain up this 40 foot gorilla to a stage in NYC and taunt him and put on a show so I can make a nickel per ticket...I'm sure nothing will go wrong...

plot lines are always full of questions, some bigger than others.

Hey that General who said "crap thu a goose... is he a West Pointer or did he rise thu the ranks? What are his credentials?

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Because it's just a subtitle they threw on after the fact. The plot of the movie revolves around Batman and Superman facing off.
.

The plot of the movie is about how the world reacts to Superman. Lex and Bruce both have similar motives. Learning that there are others out there with abilities is clearly part of the plot which is about the reaction of the world to a super powered being. And now we know Superman isn't the only super powered being out there.

As is I don't feel it was necessary at all. Lex honestly doesn't seem all that concerned with anybody outside of Superman.

Maybe those things are fleshed out better in the directors cut.

Wasn't it fleshed out enough when we learned he had files on other meta humans? How can you say Lex only cares about Superman when we are shown that he has files on others?

 

[Lencho01]

Still a great short. Reminds me of this comment.

 

[souperman]

They dumped a lot more money than 250 million into BvS. Most reports put the price tag around 400 million.
In terms of the comparison to FR, you're talking about a movie that received nowhere near the marketing budget of BvS and was eventually nominated for 10 Oscars, winning 6 I believe. It received massive acclaim from critics and was generally well regarded by audiences - please note that none of these things can be said about BvS. Even if BvS is more financially successful, FR will be remembered far more fondly in years to come.

I don't think the production budget was 400m. but even if it was, the ratio would be the same.

You are assuming that the people that saw FR liked it... the same reasoning people use against BvS. Twice as many people went to see BvS.

I for one remember more about the original MadMax than I do about FR.
That one cost nothing and made a ton.


The oscars...Costume Design, Film Editing, Makeup and Hairstyling, Production Design, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing

NOT Best Screenplay, Best Picture, Best Director. not even visual effects.

BvS may win a few too

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I don't think the production budget was 400m. but even if it was, the ratio would be the same.

You are assuming that the people that saw FR liked it... the same reasoning people use against BvS. Twice as many people went to see BvS.

I for one remember more about the original MadMax than I do about FR.
That one cost nothing and made a ton.


The oscars...Costume Design, Film Editing, Makeup and Hairstyling, Production Design, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing

NOT Best Screenplay, Best Picture, Best Director. not even visual effects.

BvS may win a few too

BvS had a production budget of around 250 mil and a likely marketing budget of 150 which totals 400.

 

[Aquafinn90]

BvS had a production budget of around 250 mil and a likely marketing budget of 150 which totals 400.

Yeah but there are sooooo many things that go into the costs/revenue of films. If I can find it I'll post the article Mark Hughes wrote about all the budget vs the revenue of BVS and how it doesn't need to make as much as people thing to be profitable

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yeah but there are sooooo many things that go into the costs/revenue of films. If I can find it I'll post the article Mark Hughes wrote about all the budget vs the revenue of BVS and how it doesn't need to make as much as people thing to be profitable

It's already in the black.

 

[Predator jp]

i had more problem with the laptops scene than nightmare scene. as much as i do think both should have been removed entirely, i enjoyed watching the latter, especially The Flash time travel. the former, not so much. i felt it was really clumsy.

 

[souperman]

i had more problem with the laptops scene than nightmare scene. as much as i do think both should have been removed entirely, i enjoyed watching the latter, especially The Flash time travel. the former, not so much. i felt it was really clumsy.

could have been better.

They should have inter-cut those reveals better.

The Aquaman shot lingered a bit too long. I know they wanted to "show" him, but they should have made it quicker and murkier. Did not look under the ocean.

I know that if you ask Jim Cameron to show you some deep water footage, there are places where the water is like glass, but murkier would have been better.

Where is the MUDDY filter when you need it?

 

[Flint Marko]

I don't think the production budget was 400m. but even if it was, the ratio would be the same.

You are assuming that the people that saw FR liked it... the same reasoning people use against BvS. Twice as many people went to see BvS.

I for one remember more about the original MadMax than I do about FR.
That one cost nothing and made a ton.


The oscars...Costume Design, Film Editing, Makeup and Hairstyling, Production Design, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing

NOT Best Screenplay, Best Picture, Best Director. not even visual effects.

BvS may win a few too

BvS will win zero Oscars, you can quote me on that.
But seriously, what's your basic point here? As I've already explained, FR will be remembered as a massive artistic achievement for years to come while BvS will be remembered as a massive disappointment.

 

[CrystalShaman]

Fury road is a piece of action genre history. IMO WB didn't market it enough.

 

[souperman]

BvS will win zero Oscars, you can quote me on that.
But seriously, what's your basic point here? As I've already explained, FR will be remembered as a massive artistic achievement for years to come while BvS will be remembered as a massive disappointment.

Gee, thanks for the explanation?

Artistic? Rehash IMO

Those are your opinions, not fact... I don't remember FR now and don't care if I ever see it again. I'm not buying the BR for FR but will for BvS...

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

that's your opinion, not fact... I don't remember FR now and don't care if I ever see it again. I'm not buying the BR for FR but will for BvS...

You're in the minority bud. FR is widely beloved

 

[souperman]

Fury road is a piece of action genre history. IMO WB didn't market it enough.

that's right.

A well produced action/car chase movie. It will have a place in the history of that genre.

It is NOT a great film.

 

[Aquafinn90]

http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/04/08/deleted-batman-v-superman-scene-reveals-why-superman-doesnt-alwa/

wish that would've been kept in! hopefully it'll be in the Ultimate Cut

 

[Light]

could have been better.

They should have inter-cut those reveals better.

The Aquaman shot lingered a bit too long. I know they wanted to "show" him, but they should have made it quicker and murkier. Did not look under the ocean.

I know that if you ask Jim Cameron to show you some deep water footage, there are places where the water is like glass, but murkier would have been better.

Where is the MUDDY filter when you need it?

Also the logos been present was a huge face palm, how about subtly Snyder ever heard of it.

 

[baerrtt]

Gee, thanks for the explanation?

Artistic? Rehash IMO

Those are your opinions, not fact... I don't remember FR now and don't care if I ever see it again. I'm not buying the BR for FR but will for BvS...

Must some of you need to slam better received movies (whether we personally liked them or not) to make a point?

Also BVS winning some Oscars?

 

[souperman]

You're in the minority bud. FR is widely beloved

beloved by half the people that belove BvS according to ticket sales...

 

[DeadStroke]

Critics are seeing Civil War soon.

Prepare to hear how superior it is to BvS the next few days.

eh