BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 295

[DeadStroke]

I think they started marketing way too early for this, a year in advance is way too long to promote a comicbook film. People get burned out from the marketing. If this film had come out last summer **** it was suppose too I have a feeling it would have had a chance to hold more back.

The one fear I have for Suicide Squad as well. It feels like the movie should be coming out in a couple of weeks. Not 4 months.

Its funny how a bad trailer could possibly influence people. No I'm not saying the bad trailer omits the flaws in the film. However, I'm saying that Doomsday trailer (ironic eh?) sort of killed a lot of momentum for this movie.

Marvel has got it right. They didn't give in to the fans and they held off their material until much later. We still don't have a Doctor Strange trailer. Civil War will benefit from not having footage of their movie already a year old.

Its Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. There is no need to sell this movie so hard.

I agree that the vibe for this movie changes if it drops last summer.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think your pot i longer than Cavill' combined line in Bv and MO...

Your post is full of hope.

 

[Corko]

Good post, I'm guessing your a bit on the younger side. I think older fans really overestimate how relevant Superman is with the under 25 crowd. Younger folks don't read comics much anymore and all of what they know about DC/Marvel is from movies. Younger people these days are more into anime (Naruto, Pokemon, Avatar: the last airbender, etc) than comic book characters like Superman. I'm willing to bet in your circle of friends your age, there are very few people who are real Superman fans, if any.

It's hard for the over 35 crowd to realize that Superman is not as popular with this new generation, and even more than that, many of them find him unappealing as a fictional character. Some older fans think they can recreate Donners Superman today and it would have the same impact that it did for our generation.

I'm glad MoS and BvS was able to make you a Superman fan, and I hope other young people can have the same experience and a new generation of Superman fans can be created.

I'm 19. Ahh pokemon... good times t: Maybe its just where I live but Superman just wasn't there during my childhood. I mean there was cartoons of everything when I was younger- batman, x men, spiderman, fantastic 4, transformer etc, but he was just absent. I saw a kid watching the old Justice League cartoon in a dressing room recently and kids with dc clothes and stuff and whole sections dedicated to bvs in shops so while it may take a while I have high hopes for these characters and they're future impact on younger generations.

 

[Aquafinn90]

The one fear I have for Suicide Squad as well. It feels like the movie should be coming out in a couple of weeks. Not 4 months.

Its funny how a bad trailer could possibly influence people. No I'm not saying the bad trailer omits the flaws in the film. However, I'm saying that Doomsday trailer (ironic eh?) sort of killed a lot of momentum for this movie.

Marvel has got it right. They didn't give in to the fans and they held off their material until much later. We still don't have a Doctor Strange trailer. Civil War will benefit from not having footage of their movie already a year old.

Its Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. There is no need to sell this movie so hard.

I agree that the vibe for this movie changes if it drops last summer.

I think the only people it killed the momentum for are the fanboys. Moreso, I think that the WW reveal in that Doomsday trailer was a great piece of marketing- every time I saw that trailer in theaters that part got a huge applause. Not sure what that one article was from that i read that 88% of people agreed that WW was a huge draw for this movie.

I won't get in to what I think about Marvel's marketing other than I have yet to see a single trailer for a Marvel film that looked remotely interesting save for GOTG

 

[Nemeres]

Snyder didn't do that. People did. Just look up the opinion most people have of Superman. A Gary Sue. Overpowered. Boring. Most of them have never read a comic book. They've never seen anything beyond Donner and the Bruce Timmons Superman. Everyone holding onto a single version of that character and spitting on everything else some ones tries, even if it is true to comics, are the ones making sure Superman stays an icon of the past. Irrelevant to today.

That's interesting/mystifying to me, because during the lead-up to this I kept thinking that it felt like a return to many of the staples that made Superman "boring". Overly serious, pompous, actively stodgy. A very strong emphasis on powers, muscles and pose over character and personality; a minimal interest in the dual identity aspect; a perfunctory-rather-than-prioritized use of his supporting cast and his environment. This take feels like a back turned on several of the approaches that modern creators have taken to make him feel compelling, modern, hip. It tries hard to make him vulnerable, which is what I think fans have in mind when they call it "maturing" the character or what have you, but it misses out on the actual goldmines.

 

[steve4991]

I took a few days off of the Hype. I keep thinking I'll just hold off on the film again until blu ray time. But man...It just dwells in the back of my head. I can't seem to let it go. I may see it again this weekend.

 

[djsunyc]

saw the last fight scene with doomsday again yesterday on a pretty decent bootleg copy and my opinion didn't change from the original viewing in the theater - the fight is a garbled cgi mess that's very hard to decipher. everything is so dark and then rays of light/electricity all over the place with explosions and everything. things are happening so fast you're not 100% sure what you're seeing. even the "iconic" batman dark knight on the wall shot lasts less than a tenth of a second.

 

[antoineflemming]

saw the last fight scene with doomsday again yesterday on a pretty decent bootleg copy and my opinion didn't change from the original viewing in the theater - the fight is a garbled cgi mess that's very hard to decipher. everything is so dark and then rays of light/electricity all over the place with explosions and everything. things are happening so fast you're not 100% sure what you're seeing. even the "iconic" batman dark knight on the wall shot lasts less than a tenth of a second.

There are no decent bootleg copies of the movie out, and all of them are blurry and dark. And that CGI fight was not hard to follow at all.

 

[antoineflemming]

That's interesting/mystifying to me, because during the lead-up to this I kept thinking that it felt like a return to many of the staples that made Superman "boring". Overly serious, pompous, actively stodgy. A very strong emphasis on powers, muscles and pose over character and personality; a minimal interest in the dual identity aspect; a perfunctory-rather-than-prioritized use of his supporting cast and his environment. This take feels like a back turned on several of the approaches that modern creators have taken to make him feel compelling, modern, hip. It tries hard to make him vulnerable, which is what I think fans have in mind when they call it "maturing" the character or what have you, but it misses out on the actual goldmines.

Well, I for one don't ever want to see a "hip" Superman.

 

[Corko]

There are no decent bootleg copies of the movie out, and all of them are blurry and dark. And that CGI fight was not hard to follow at all.

I agree, not hard. Helped that there was only four of them

 

[Cats]

Well, I for one don't ever want to see a "hip" Superman.

Which is your favourite interpretation?

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I have seen it today. They should have named it "MOSvASM2"

It's even hard to review because everything falls apart.

300, Watchmen and MOS are masterpieces compared to this. I wouldn't even dare to compare TDKT.

I have one thing to be okay with... actors did well.. except Eisenberg. He was pretty much ASM2 villain.

It must be one of the worst movies i have seen in a long time. Wow. I was expecting a bad movie but didn't think this bad even after all i heard here...

It makes me wanna watch entire TDKT to wash bad taste.

What's scary is i'm not sure if Snyder was the problem. Story is such a mess, even some music.

 

[All-Father]

I have seen it today. They should have named it "MOSvASM2"

It's even hard to review because everything falls apart.

300, Watchmen and MOS are masterpieces compared to this. I wouldn't even dare to compare TDKT.

I have one thing to be okay with... actors did well.. except Eisenberg. He was pretty much ASM2 villain.

It must be one of the worst movies i have seen in a long time. Wow. I was expecting a bad movie but didn't think this bad even after all i heard here...

It makes me wanna watch entire TDKT to wash bad taste.

What's scary is i'm not sure if Snyder was the problem. Story is such a mess, even some music.

You pretty much nailed it. But I do think Snyder was the main problem.

 

[Cats]

Superman sacrificing himself is not a big progression for the character as he's been willing to take risks to save others since he was a kid. He didn't intend to die, he just took a big risk. Despite all the brooding, and a couple of poorly constructed scenes that might make things seem differently, he's a good person.

On one hand it's - I hate this Superman, he's too broody, depressed and selfish. There's no reason for me to feel connected to him at all.

When Superman sacrifices his life for the sake of others it's - Superman sacrificing himself doesn't mean anything, he's a good person so this is to be expected.

Tough crowd.

 

[Mjölnir]

On one hand it's - I hate this Superman, he's too broody, depressed and selfish. There's no reason for me to feel connected to him at all.

When Superman sacrifices his life for the sake of others it's - Superman sacrificing himself doesn't mean anything, he's a good person so this is to be expected.

Tough crowd.

In what way is something not being character development (meaning not a change from before) the same thing as not meaning anything?

 

[Steamteck]

I have seen it today. They should have named it "MOSvASM2"

It's even hard to review because everything falls apart.

300, Watchmen and MOS are masterpieces compared to this. I wouldn't even dare to compare TDKT.



It makes me wanna watch entire TDKT to wash bad taste.

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Go head watch TDKT to get the taste out of your mouth. I have to do the same things when ever I try to watch TDKT to try and figure out why folks like the darn thing.

I though Watchmen and MOS WERE masterpieces. Different strokes.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

saw the last fight scene with doomsday again yesterday on a pretty decent bootleg copy and my opinion didn't change from the original viewing in the theater - the fight is a garbled cgi mess that's very hard to decipher. everything is so dark and then rays of light/electricity all over the place with explosions and everything. things are happening so fast you're not 100% sure what you're seeing. even the "iconic" batman dark knight on the wall shot lasts less than a tenth of a second.

Yeah, I thought it was tough to follow in spots as well. Close-up scenes were ok but it got muddy when the camera backed off and tried to do a distance shot. But for me that was secondary; the main thing I found odd was that it was like I was suddenly watching a different movie.

Spoiler

Snyder is justifiably praised for his ability to translate comic book imagery to the big screen. That ability is showcased all through the film, from the opening well scene (ripped right out of TDKR) to the Superman doing super stuff montage all the way through the actual fight between Batman and Superman (again, dripping with imagery from TDKR). The we get to the final battle against Doomsday...and that all vanishes. Suddenly it becomes a generic CGI battle against a boss monster full of heat vision blasts, energy bolts and Dragonball Z-style area explosions. The Death of Superman comic that allegedly inspired this part of the film, with its brutal fistfight imagery, is totally absent. It's like Snyder directed the movie to the end of the Batman/Superman fight, then turned the reins over to the visual effects teams and said, all yours, fellas!

 

[Steamteck]

In what way is something not being character development (meaning not a change from before) the same thing as not meaning anything?

I've seen development and others have pointed it out. Obviously didn't work for you though.

 

[Corko]

I have seen it today. They should have named it "MOSvASM2"

It's even hard to review because everything falls apart.

300, Watchmen and MOS are masterpieces compared to this. I wouldn't even dare to compare TDKT.

I have one thing to be okay with... actors did well.. except Eisenberg. He was pretty much ASM2 villain.

It must be one of the worst movies i have seen in a long time. Wow. I was expecting a bad movie but didn't think this bad even after all i heard here...

It makes me wanna watch entire TDKT to wash bad taste.

What's scary is i'm not sure if Snyder was the problem. Story is such a mess, even some music.

I may be wrong but weren't you complaining on the Ben Affleck thread about the killings and how its worse than the TDKT? Why would you do that if you have only seen the film today?

 

[Mjölnir]

I've seen development and others have pointed it out. Obviously didn't work for you though.

That's not an answer to the question you quoted.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I may be wrong but weren't you complaining on the Ben Affleck thread about the killings and how its worse than the TDKT? Why would you do that if you have only seen the film today?

I have been told how he kills in the movie. Seeing didn't change it.

I still think it's a wrong decision to have such Batman. But it's nitpick compared to whats bad about this movie.

 

[Corko]

I have been told how he kills in the movie. Seeing didn't change it.

I still think it's a wrong decision to have such Batman. But it's nitpick compared to whats bad about this movie.

Fair enough. Shame.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Go head watch TDKT to get the taste out of your mouth. I have to do the same things when ever I try to watch TDKT to try and figure out why folks like the darn thing.

I though Watchmen and MOS WERE masterpieces. Different strokes.

Well i'm glad you enjoyed the movie.

 

[STARMAN]

You can provide levity without telling a single joke.

 

[Cats]

In what way is something not being character development (meaning not a change from before) the same thing as not meaning anything?

Clark was a lot more skeptical and fearful about humanity in MoS (thus the conversation with the pastor about trust), and moving from that to right out giving his life in BvS (and you might believe he didn't think he was going to die, then why the heartfelt admission to Lois? It was as good as a farewell). If you can't even see that Clark has grown in leaps since then, then it won't take a rocket scientist to presume that his death would likely not mean anything to you.