BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 295

[C. Lee]

It would help if people reported a post. 99% of reports are from people who did not like the movie reporting on the ones who liked it and are freaking out about the ones who didn't.

I do not care if someone liked it or hated it...all I care about is civility...and I'm not seeing it from either side.

From the looks of things...the majority of people on here (and elsewhere) did not like the movie....so you will see more of them posting here....screaming at them will not change their mind just as their screaming at you will not change yours.

I have already deleted thousands of posts, infracted dozens of people, and banned/probated a score more....from both sides...and both sides continue to attack the other.

I keep reading posts from the people who liked BvS complaining that people are talking about how much they hated the movie....well guess what....THEY ARE ALLOWED TO....this is a discussion site....people can discuss that they loved it and they can discuss that they hated it....I all demand is that they do it civilly with no name calling and insults. It seems that last part is hard for people to comprehend.

 

[GreenKToo]

ahhh, just like the good ole days eh C.Lee. Just like the SR days lol.

 

[matt47]

I don't know how someone could hate these guys
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[Greeneyes]

As someone who has been watching the forums every hour or so, I'd say the mods are doing a pretty solid job of keeping it clean. I see the mod's warnings, but I've yet to see the posts they are referring to. This leads me to believe that those posts are getting deleted pretty fast on average.

In fact, the thought it was being over-moderated even crossed my mind until just now.

Fair point Charlie, I think there has been over moderated moments recently.

My thoughts on some posters needing to be reined in a little still stands though. People know what and who I'm on about as it's pretty obvious.

Out of respect to all members and C. Lee and mods, I'm going to try hard not to mention when I see blatant stuff going on.

At the end of the day, these are just films that people like, loathe or couldn't give two hoots about haha, so maybe myself and others shouldn't sweat the small stuff, so to speak. t:

Peace to all.

 

[Deserana]

I don't know how someone could hate these guys
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God that would be such a fun place to work for, if I was in that country let alone area I'd try.

 

[Deserana]

Also a question that came to me during viewing 3. What the **** building was the bat signal on? It's treated like a generic rooftop near the port.

 

[matt47]

God that would be such a fun place to work for, if I was in that country let alone area I'd try.

I know right!

Stupid sexy Australia...

 

[Greeneyes]

It would help if people reported a post. 99% of reports are from people who did not like the movie reporting on the ones who liked it and are freaking out about the ones who didn't.

I do not care if someone liked it or hated it...all I care about is civility...and I'm not seeing it from either side.

From the looks of things...the majority of people on here (and elsewhere) did not like the movie....so you will see more of them posting here....screaming at them will not change their mind just as their screaming at you will not change yours.

I have already deleted thousands of posts, infracted dozens of people, and banned/probated a score more....from both sides...and both sides continue to attack the other.

I keep reading posts from the people who liked BvS complaining that people are talking about how much they hated the movie....well guess what....THEY ARE ALLOWED TO....this is a discussion site....people can discuss that they loved it and they can discuss that they hated it....I all demand is that they do it civilly with no name calling and insults. It seems that last part is hard for people to comprehend.

We are all as bad as each other in our own ways for sure, but the bolded part is where the loophole is. A negative hater type can repeat their gripes 500 times, and as long as they are relatively civil and don't swear etc, then they can keep on doing so, and yet they are upsetting other members because of the repeat negativeness.

Also the clever baiters and troll types also don't cross the line, keep relatively civil and therefore can continue on their merry way even if they are upsetting lots of people.

It is the internet forum/boards LOOPHOLE that causes the problem.

See, if we were all in a room together for a week, after a person/member said something for the 500th time, someone would say right, enough is enough, stop that now. (I'm being family friendly with the response hah) But that can't happen here, so the loophole is exploited endlessly, and the vocal few or troll types get away with ruining the majority fun because of this.

In real life, people don't get away with saying 'I have the right to keep causing you lot trouble' if I want.

Anyway, I'm going on holiday for a few weeks, so peace guys n gals I'm sure I'll be missed...( I heard the cheer all the way from England! haha)

Loophole. Sounds like the amazing new Looper sequel, directed by visionary director Zachary Snyd...Yeh, I'll stop

 

[Greeneyes]

ahhh, just like the good ole days eh C.Lee. Just like the SR days lol.

Very true haha.

Endless repeating cycle/circle comes to mind.

We all play our parts too t:

Life is funny.

 

[Flint Marko]

Found this interesting, on the BvS wikipedia page under reception it singles out Kevin Smith's review with this quote:

Smith says, "Batman v Superman shows 'fundamental misunderstanding' of both superheroes...[I felt like] the movie…didn’t really have a heart...humorless, there was nothing funny going on in that world whatsoever...There seems to be a fundamental lack of understanding of what those characters are about. It’s almost like Zack Snyder didn’t read a bunch of comics, he read one comic once, and it was Dark Knight Returns, and his favourite part was the last part where Batman and Superman fight.”

Crazy that this is from the dude that hosted the DCEU special. I wonder how his next conversation with the folks at DC is gonna go? He just wrapped up directing an episode of the Flash. He said all of this after his first viewing, but rolled back some of the criticisms after he saw it again.

 

[Jaxon]

Also a question that came to me during viewing 3. What the **** building was the bat signal on? It's treated like a generic rooftop near the port.

Probably somewhere Gordon and Batman could meet in private. It makes more sense than having it on top of public place like a police building.

Or Batman moved it to an abandoned location. Either way, doesn't matter

 

[Greeneyes]

Found this interesting, on the BvS wikipedia page under reception it singles out Kevin Smith's review with this quote:



He said all of this after his first viewing, but rolled back some of the criticisms after he saw it again. Crazy that this is from the dude that hosted the DCEU special.

Everything about this whole thing is crazy. I said the other week that this is a turning point moment in culture not only film.

Hope people see the reality of what has taken place. I'm sure it will be studied too.

It's like a public outpouring of grief or something, like when Princess Diana died in England. (not Diana Prince)

 

[Flint Marko]

Everything about this whole thing is crazy. I said the other week that this is a turning point moment in culture not only film.

Hope people see the reality of what has taken place. I'm sure it will be studied too.

It's like a public outpouring of grief or something, like when Princess Diana died in England. (not Diana Prince)

I'm not sure how much of a turning point it will wind up being but at the very least it will be an interesting footnote in film history. Two of the most popular fictional characters of all time finally in a movie together, and this is what happens.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Can WB really be mad at Smith when it's clear people didn't like the film both fans and critics?

That's lik WB being mad for someone not liking Batman & Robin. Cmon man. If Smith was alone, yea I see WB mad but everyone bashed the film.

 

[Flint Marko]

Can WB really be mad at Smith when it's clear people didn't like the film both fans and critics?

That's lik WB being mad for someone not liking Batman & Robin. Cmon man. If Smith was alone, yea I see WB mad but everyone bashed the film.

True, but it certainly isn't getting him in anyone's good graces. Idk, just found it mildly interesting. He's super positive about everything and I thought if anyone could find something to like in a film like this, it'd be Kevin Smith.

 

[Deserana]

The main issue for me is people complaining about not having the pure comic book characters on screen. Nobody has any patience for DC. I'm glad they have given these characters a chance to actually DEVELOP.

Call me an optimist but I'm a person that thinks WB has a plan and that the fact that some of these characters are actually the antithesis of their comic counter parts is intentional. Why would you start a franchise with a zany, goofy Lex? A murdering Batman? And a non saviour Superman? Because you can actually take them from there and bring the audience on the transition to the characters you love.

I believe BvS not only is a set up for the future but will also be a payoff. Sure right now people are crying bloody murder about Batman killing but what if over a prequel we see what made him snap. Then in JL we seem him turn in to the Batman with hope again after his experiences. You watch BvS again and suddenly it makes sense why at this time he is like he is.

Same for Lex. Through the JL films and maybe others he turns from a pompous ****hole into someone far more sinister and devious.

And then there is Superman. I don't know if people are just intentionally forgetting MoS of just forgot but a key part of that movie is Russel Crowe's speech. "You'll stumble, you will fall but in time they'll join you in the sun". After that quote it wouldn't make any sense if after one mission that cause a ****ton of damage they just accept him as this saviour. I'm sorry but it baffles me how people use the fact that they think Superman isn't loved enough in this movie. Because it's logical for how this story should go! If Superman, in this film, was an adored figure basically a carbon copy of his comic counterpart then people would be crying about "well how did they love him after he tore the city apart and saved no one?" Superman won't be "Superman" until JL2 IMO.

I love the fact they've started the characters here. It actually gives them legroom to do stuff with them it's Superman's 2nd act, Batman/WW's third act and Lex's first.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

People think all this negativity is bad when it's the opposite.

All this negativity is good so to speak. It means we all want WB to do a DC film universe has successful as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Nobody is wishing or wanting WB to fail with DC. We all love the characters and want judge done by them from WB.

Man of Steel left people divided.

Batman v Superman is clearly more negative than positive.

We all just want DC to do well. It's time WB stops with the whole dark, brooding, grounded and realistic stuff. Films are meant to be an escape.

 

[Greeneyes]

I'm not sure how much of a turning point it will wind up being but at the very least it will be an interesting footnote in film history. Two of the most popular fictional characters of all time finally in a movie together, and this is what happens.

We do need to ask why there has been so much anger and hostillity though, something is in the air in our culture these times at the moment which has led to these reactions.

I think the world is in a bad place right now and lots of people are unhappy and are just venting their anger and blowing off steam, although many are being nasty and mean. I blame tech and social media/internet for most of the trouble.

Troubled times.


Did I say I was going on holiday though t:

 

[DCmania]

People think all this negativity is bad when it's the opposite.

All this negativity is good so to speak. It means we all want WB to do a DC film universe has successful as the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Nobody is wishing or wanting WB to fail with DC. We all love the characters and want judge done by them from WB.

Man of Steel left people divided.

Batman v Superman is clearly more negative than positive.

We all just want DC to do well. It's time WB stops with the whole dark, brooding, grounded and realistic stuff. Films are meant to be an escape.

THIS!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I don't get why some care about a movie getting bashed on. Its just a movie! Its not like you are getting attacked personally and getting flamed because a movie you like is getting raked over the coals. If you want to defend the movie than defend it, but the mods are not showing any favoritism to either side here and to suggest otherwise seems to me that you don't like to feel in the minority opinion (why, I have no idea... rock that **** and be proud of it).

 

[flickchick85]

We are all as bad as each other in our own ways for sure, but the bolded part is where the loophole is. A negative hater type can repeat their gripes 500 times, and as long as they are relatively civil and don't swear etc, then they can keep on doing so, and yet they are upsetting other members because of the repeat negativeness.

Also the clever baiters and troll types also don't cross the line, keep relatively civil and therefore can continue on their merry way even if they are upsetting lots of people.

It is the internet forum/boards LOOPHOLE that causes the problem.

See, if we were all in a room together for a week, after a person/member said something for the 500th time, someone would say right, enough is enough, stop that now. (I'm being family friendly with the response hah) But that can't happen here, so the loophole is exploited endlessly, and the vocal few or troll types get away with ruining the majority fun because of this.

In real life, people don't get away with saying 'I have the right to keep causing you lot trouble' if I want.

Anyway, I'm going on holiday for a few weeks, so peace guys n gals I'm sure I'll be missed...( I heard the cheer all the way from England! haha)

Loophole. Sounds like the amazing new Looper sequel, directed by visionary director Zachary Snyd...Yeh, I'll stop

Here's the thing: There is nothing wrong with being constantly negative about the movie. It's not a loophole, that is perfectly allowed. As long as they keep within the natural flow of discourse within the thread, there's nothing trollish about it.

There is also nothing wrong with being constantly positive about it. Again, as long as you're sticking to the flow of conversation and not derailing.

The problems occur when people turn the discussion away from the film, be it positive or negative, and start discussing the other posters instead. THAT's where we step in.

So yes, we're not going to stop people being negative, and it seems like a lot of the times we've had to step in is when people who liked the film start complaining about all the "haters" who continue to post. If that makes it look biased, I'm sorry, but to us, the line is pretty clear: discuss the film - positive or negative - all you want, but not the posters. If you see someone bashing the positive posters, then please, by all means, report it. It's hard for us to keep an eye on everything at once, so reported posts help a great deal.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

I saw BVS today...

I'm a casual comic book fan first off. I don't buy books every week or month. I will buy a couple of graphic novels maybe once a year. I stay abreast coming to the boards and looking things up on the net. Both Marvel and DC wage war in my heart on a consistent basis (Marvel is on the loosing end though right now because they ain't treatin' the X-men properly in my eyes)

I know many of you have read some of the best runs on DC characters and you're familiar with nuances and things I might not know about. I have above average knowledge when it comes to DC: I know what to roughly expect when it comes to Supes and Bats....

I enjoyed this movie overall and I'm baffled by all the negativity it is getting my fellow comic book family. I'm really trying to understand where many of you are coming from...but I'm not. I mean maybe some of you are film editors, production folks and writers...then I can understand to a certain degree. I'm a writer but I didn't have an issue with the editing or writing/script...IDK

The reasons why Bats did what he did were clear to me.. he was afraid of Superman and what he could become...Supes had a crisis of conscious, he can have that can't he? I think the set up for these two characters was handled well.

The only issues I had were the length of the film and the portrayal of Lex. Ben Affleck gets my praise...well done! I never had an issue with Henry Cavill and still don't. And despite what people have said, I think all the supporting characters got decent film time and portrayals. Gal Gadot...I'm ready, that's all I have to say about that girl. (I loved the way they dressed her, grrrrr)

I would never take anybody's opinion away from them but I feel this film caught too much unnecessary hell. I guess I just don't expect to see my vision on the screen and allow myself to enjoy what's there. And for me, thankfully, there was a lot to enjoy in this film.

I give it an 8/10.

 

[Ahasverus]

We all just want DC to do well. It's time WB stops with the whole dark, brooding, grounded and realistic stuff. Films are meant to be an escape.

Nope. It's not the family way or the high way. They can keep it dark, brooding and realistic for their heroes that work that way, and light for those who aren't. Most importantly, they need to to them fun. Grounded realism can be fun (TDK).

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Nope. It's not the family way or the high way. They can keep it dark, brooding and realistic for their heroes that work that way, and light for those who aren't. Most importantly, they need to to them fun. Grounded realism can be fun (TDK).

You do realize comics are for kids right? I mean I know now they can be for adults but when they were created, they were for kids.

You have to make a Superman film for kids & adults.

Really only Batman & Daredevil can you tread that dark line while still letting kids see it.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Nope. It's not the family way or the high way. They can keep it dark, brooding and realistic for their heroes that work that way, and light for those who aren't. Most importantly, they need to to them fun. Grounded realism can be fun (TDK).

Why can't there be balance? Why does it have to be full on brooding and depressing?