BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - Part 302

[Ultra Nolanite]

What I've noticed editing is that this movie is just scenes. They're just a bunch of really good scenes that don't amount to one another really. And no one talks to each other. I'm being hyperbolic here, but this movie is truly, unrelentingly visual.

I noticed this yesterday too while watching it again. Just a bunch of semi-cool looking stuff happening.

 

[FunkMiller]

Which confuses me since he claims to be a huge batfan.

Something I was prepared to believe right up until the point I saw BvS. Now think he's probably a 'surface level' fan - much like Snyder. Pretty convinced he doesn't read the comics with any regularity, and his main exposure is Miller's stuff. I do wish people would realise Batman is not The Dark Knight Returns.

 

[GreenKToo]

the editing was one of my biggest gripes with mos. I was really hoping BvS wouldn't suffer the same thing, but it did.

 

[Charlatan]

I noticed this yesterday too while watching it again. Just a bunch of semi-cool looking stuff happening.

a lot of unnecessary jumping back and forth too. Lois visits Swanwick 3 times to get the info on the bullet when it could have been done in one.
the mausoleum scene was totally unnecessary. the standing around in the ruins of the mansion was unnecessary. especially considering they left (what I would call meaningful) scenes like Lex learning stuff in the ship out of the film.

 

[Light]

Also does anyone else find it jarring how Snyder just disposes of characters he deems unnecessary or unimportant. The greatest of all this being Jimmy Olsen, also I am hoping Suicide Squad clears up why Batman didn't hunt down and kill the joker since he didn't have a problem with killing. The fact Batman killed might come back and bite them in the ass, if he has been willing to kill half his rogue gallery if not all should be located in Arkam cemetery as opposed to the asylum.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

a lot of unnecessary jumping back and forth too. Lois visits Swanwick 3 times to get the info on the bullet when it could have been done in one.
the mausoleum scene was totally unnecessary. the standing around in the ruins of the mansion was unnecessary. especially considering they left (what I would call meaningful) scenes like Lex learning stuff in the ship out of the film.

It like, T happens, then we jump to K for a bit and then C before jumping back to T for a while and then 12 happens and then squirrel.

I did change my IMDB rating from 4 back to 5 again after watching it knowing fully what to expect.

 

[Charlatan]

It like, T happens, then we jump to K for a bit and then C before jumping back to T for a while and then 12 happens and then squirrel.

I did change my IMDB rating from 4 back to 5 again after watching it knowing fully what to expect.

it's like Snyder has all these cool shots in his head and builds the story around it. Oh yeah the bloody mausoleum and giant bat head must be in the film so I'll stick it here. And now before going to the party Bruce goes down to the cave and look at his suit. Then come back up and takes the tarp off the car to go to the party. Why? To say bye to the suit?

 

[Light]

I think Batman fans and general audience members would be happier if the critically-acclaimed Nolan version of Batman continued instead.

WB hit a homerun with that version and lightning doesn't strike twice (clearly).

They shouldn't have rebooted it so soon.

They made the right choice rebooting, Snyders failure doesn't equate to The rebooting of Nolans verse being a mistake. I have seen people say things like "oh Superman just hasn't been received well by the public" and things of that nature, and it infuriates me no Snyder interpretation has not been received well and everything he has attempted for the DCCU has been awful.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

it's like Snyder has all these cool shots in his head and builds the story around it. Oh yeah the bloody mausoleum and giant bat head must be in the film so I'll stick it here. And now before going to the party Bruce goes down to the cave and look at his suit. Then come back up and takes the tarp off the car to go to the party. Why? To say bye to the suit?

Goes to show he's somewhat better at editing trailers. Because had the kept it like in the trailer where Bruce is looking at the suit, at this monster he has become while Alfred gives the "turns good men cruel" speech you have something that kinda makes sense.

Instead of Alfred giving that speech while Bruce is on 9gag. And then him randomly going down to look at the suit and back up again to take off the tarp.

 

[BatLobster]

The shot where he's looking at the Bat-suit felt a bit out of place in the film, but I took it as trying to convey that Bruce is longing to go out and be Batman, but in this case he has no choice but to try and do some detective work as Bruce Wayne as Alfred points out. It's like he's saying "until next time" to the suit, his true self. I think the scene was trying to convey how unhealthy his obsession has become. But it's also a bit inconsistent because this Bruce Wayne is still very much a public animal and has an active role in his company, so he seems to have embraced both personas.

 

[Flint Marko]

I noticed this yesterday too while watching it again. Just a bunch of semi-cool looking stuff happening.

Yup. I had to see this again yesterday and after a few viewings the editing really became more of an issue than it already was. It's "and-then" storytelling.

 

[Dopinder]

I'm posting this in here because I need to vent, but the "no one stays good in this world" line actually gob smacked me. It's the worst line ever uttered by Superman in any medium. It's literally anti-superman. I still can't believe someone thought that line was okay.

Not to mention superman is fricken mute in this movie. Cavill didn't have a lot to work with in MOS either, but superman is a cinder block in this movie. The fact that he only has 43 lines of dialogue, it's just insane to me. To think this movie was supposed to be a sequel to MOS.

 

[BatLobster]

Could you imagine if we had gotten the bright and more cheerful Superman, and Batman was still depicted just as dark and broken? You'd have a stronger contrast, but maaaaan Batman would've been even more unlikable for spending most of the film wanting to murder that Superman.

I think this movie was doomed from the get go. I keep thinking of ways they could've fixed the characterizations to please more fans within the general framework of the movie, but I keep coming back to it probably should've not even been a VS. film to set up the world.

 

[shauner111]

I sure as hell wouldn't have been happy. I'm glad Nolan got to have a self contained trilogy of films, not an ongoing series which would've suffered from diminishing returns.

Some fans would be happy, some would complain because they want this kind of Batman who looks and moves like the Arkham games. But make no mistake, some of that could have been achieved with Bale or Affleck. And the general audience would have had more confidence in the DCEU if it was Bale.

I'm glad the trilogy is not tied to a Snyderverse. I knew immediately after watching Man of Steel that it wouldn't work. And I was one of the people who wanted Nolans universe to cross-over.

 

[FunkMiller]

Some fans would be happy, some would complain because they want this kind of Batman who looks and moves like the Arkham games. But make no mistake, some of that could have been achieved with Bale or Affleck. And the general audience would have had more confidence in the DCEU of it was Bale.

I'm glad the trilogy is not tied to a Snyderverse. I knew immediately after watching Man of Steel that it wouldn't work. And I was one of the people who wanted Nolans universe to cross-over.

This Batman was screwed the second they decided to base him on The Dark Knight Returns (only they also did a very bad job of doing that).

That is NOT the right version of Batman to kick off a new cinematic universe.

This is, however:

or this:

or this:

 

[Sleiek]

I'm posting this in here because I need to vent, but the "no one stays good in this world" line actually gob smacked me. It's the worst line ever uttered by Superman in any medium. It's literally anti-superman. I still can't believe someone thought that line was okay.

Not to mention superman is fricken mute in this movie. Cavill didn't have a lot to work with in MOS either, but superman is a cinder block in this movie. The fact that he only has 43 lines of dialogue, it's just insane to me. To think this movie was supposed to be a sequel to MOS.

Superman doesn't need many lines to get his point across. Lines like that humanizes him. I guess the difference is I am willing to accept that someone can emotionally break Superman. I will admit though that I started to care more about Superman because of the last 2 movies, the fact he is confused about what he is supposed to be, makes him feel more relatable to me. And when he does makes a decision amidst all the confusion to save the world provides a more emotional impact.

 

[Supa]

I'm happy that even with all these directors leaving DC projects Batman is still on, but it's really annoying how it seems like DC can't make a single successful project that doesn't revolve around Batman. There's barely any media outside of the comics that doesn't have Batman as a central character. It's the live action TV shows and that's pretty much it.

Batman's cool, and I like all the Bat characters, but it just gets to me sometimes that everything DC puts out ends up revolving around Batman.

 

[Dopinder]

Superman doesn't need many lines to get his point across. Lines like that humanizes him. I guess the difference is I am willing to accept that someone can emotionally break Superman. I will admit though that I started to care more about Superman because of the last 2 movies, the fact he is confused about what he is supposed to be, makes him feel more relatable to me. And when he does makes a decision amidst all the confusion to save the world provides a more emotional impact.

Still doesn't answer the "no one stays good in this world line". What a load of crock ****. I'm really starting to think Snyder hates the superman character and he's ideology.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

One question: why do most of you think that this is the end of DC movies...

There's still Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.

Both projects are in good hands. Bot movies has a MUCH better director than Snyder. The buzz around SS is actually quite good.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

So was Levi banned for spoilers?

But yeah, BvS is a frustrating film. It makes MOS look satisfactory in comparison.

 

[C. Lee]

I'd like to yet once again remind people....this is the ALL THINGS BATMAN V SUPERMAN DISCUSSION thread....not the Batman sequels thread or the Superman sequels thread or the DCEU future speculation thread...there are separate threads through out the forums for those topics. Keep this thread on topic.

 

[PQX12]

And we're about to have a pair of CBMs which will probably be the most character-packed (in Avengers IW1/2).

This really a bad example.

All the characters that are going to be in IW already have been introduced/or will introduced in the future before the movie come out. So it will be much easier to have the GA to be ok with it.

The first movie should establish Gotham and be more personal.

 

[FunkMiller]

So was Levi banned for spoilers?

But yeah, BvS is a frustrating film. It makes MOS look satisfactory in comparison.

Levi's been banned?

Man down! man down!

 

[Jekecy]

This really a bad example.

All the characters that are going to be in IW already have been introduced/or will introduced in the future before the movie come out. So it will be much easier to have the GA to be ok with it.

The first movie should establish Gotham and be more personal.

You seem to be of the position all stories and characters must start at or near their genesis phase in order to be adequately developed or accepted. And again I'll have to disagree.

IW's only advantage is familiarity. It's a big and important one, but it doesn't preclude it from the same potential pitfalls a film without it has.

Backstories are nice to have, but they've never been an important component of most ensemble pieces out there.

 

[dark_b]

my post was deleted. the images in my post were from the clip that WB realesed. thank you