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Jesse Eisenberg praising BvS script
to me, he seems so difficult.
Jesse Eisenberg praising BvS script
Either way with a BVS Ultimate Edition and a Justice League Snyder Cut...you can still continue on with a shared universe especially considering those films under Snyder's direction actually were great films until Warner Brothers interfered with said movies but if Warner Bros don't interfere with films and actually let their directors make their movies under their vision which is what they should have let Snyder do...then their films would be right on par with Marvel
They weren’t great films on the whole though, they were divisive films. Had WB continued with Snyder the trajectory at the box office would have dropped. JL didn’t flop because of the film we got, it flopped because audiences were turned off by BvS. Take a real look at JLs box office the film actually and legs but what it didn’t have was a great opening weekend.
I do think if WB had released the Ultimate Cut in cinemas it would have made a difference. Not a huge one, as Snyders movies will always be divisive, but a bit of a difference at least. And I don’t think what WB did with JL really helped that much with its own box office personally. But guess we will never know.
I don’t know if it would myself a lot if problems people gas with the film such as mopey Superman, killer Batman etc are still in the YC. The only thing the UC really fixes is the pacing issues and some of the plot holes that were in the TC.
What WB did with Jl didn’t help but it’s opening weekend was down to BvS. Take BVS second week drop off which was massive, people didn’t care for those versions of the characters and as far as they knew JL was a continuation of that. But then take the fact that despite a poor opening weekend the film still made around $600 mil WW it did have legs.
As you said though we’ll never know for sure unfortunately.
I still think the big mistake was sticking with Snyder Beyond MOS. That’s not a knock on Snyder either it’s just they knew the kind of films he made. I don’t think he’s had a critically praised film yet.
Yeah but JL’s opening weekend was after the TC of BvS. Only fans would have watched the UC really the GA probably wouldn’t have bothered in the vast majority of cases. Again I don’t think it would have made a huge difference. And you are right the same problems exist in the UC. But overall I just find it a better movie. And despite being 30 mins longer, the UC actually feels shorter because the flow is so much better.
Personally I don’t mind mopey Superman either as plenty of comic stories have had him like that. For Tomorrow especially comes to mind, which I loved and I think Snyder took a lot of influence from.
The UC still had most of the stuff I hated about the TC, just...more of it. It wouldn't have changed the overall reception at all, imo. There just would've been even more complaints about how torturously long and bloated it was, as if it needed more of those.
Oh it certainly is a better movie but I don’t think it changed a lot of people’s minds who didn’t like the TC.
I think the issue with mopey Superman is, whole you and I may be ok with it. The general audience isn’t, and tbh I think there should always be a balance. There’s nothing balanced about his Superman. My biggest issue is Superman is clearly in one place at the end of MOS and Snyder regresses him for the sequel to fit his story. That’s not natural story progression. If they’d done a Superman which we we’re left with in the final moments of MOS in a Batman v Superman film I honestly think the general audience would have been more onboard. Snyder just seems to double down on the things people don’t like about his movies. It’s not very smart from his side at all and WB should have been raising eyebrows when they read the script. Again it all boils down to people not been a fan of Snyder’s takes on these characters and ultimately that’s what turned people off.
Yeah for sure
I don't think it changed a lot of minds, as they were already made up from the TC. But I think if people had seen the UC in the cinema first and foremost, the complaints would have been less, as we get to see things like Clark investigating, the phone call with his mother, and from the other side more of Batman's descent into darkness, which made him stepping back into the light more powerful for me. Also, pretty big one, Superman helping people after the court bombing, which absolutely shouldn't have been cut for me.
I know mopey Superman isn't to everyone's taste, but previously to that people were complaining Superman was too light, too much of a stiff, too corny and a 'boring character.' I think Snyder tried to give him an edge for those reasons, but ultimately that wasn't what people wanted either. I know what you mean about Snyder doubling down on stuff, but that's why he is a divisive film maker. It's also why I like his movies but evidently a lot of people don't feel that way.
Well, they should have learned from audience reaction to SUPERMAN RETURNS but they didn't, then Superman in Man Of Steel was also like that, then again in Batman V Superman.The thing is though we had a mopey Superman in 2006 and it didn’t work then. The characterisation of Superman continues to be the main problem with these takes.
Well, they should have learned from audience reaction to SUPERMAN RETURNS but they didn't, then Superman in Man Of Steel was also like that, then again in Batman V Superman.
That's Three Superman movies with mopey Superman, which basically killed his popularity.
I think a sequel to Man Of Steel was sorely needed where Superman was shown as more upbeat superhero doing some heroic feats before Batman V Superman.
I agree with you both there, we needed an MOS 2 before BvS. But WB wanted the quick route to a shared universe.
For me Superman is aloud to be mopey at times. No one raised as a human could be that positive all the time. I am a positive person by nature, but I have days I hate the world or react badly to something said about me. For me it humanises Superman more. I think the audience isn’t entirely sure what it wants out of Superman’s cinematic characterisation.
Too much money was spent on BvS and JL even if WB allowed Snyder to finish his condensed opus originally for it to be divisive, niche movies while other movies that cost similiar grossed higher.
Snyder's justification was always 'but the bigger picture, it'll be brilliant!'' and it never was!
I left batman v superman depressed and confused - I didn't walk out a super hero movie I walked out a weird meta human political biopsy.
A superman movie needs day light, sun beams, you feel uplifted. Heck, even if they had BvS end with a post credit scene with Clark walking away from his grave, as the sun rises with a voice over of the news saying how crime is worse and if only we had a saviour, it gives you hope...
AND DO NOT START A FRIGGING JUSTICE LEAGUE MOVIE WITH A CGI FACE
Again though it’s about balance he’s mopey for the entirety of BvS. There needed to be moments when he wasn’t. Like at the start, show us this Superman that’s loved but no they don’t. They tell us how loved he was, how great he was but we don’t ever see it. Even when we get the montage of him saving things he looks depressed.
Yeah I too watched the UE (Ultimate Edition) on my DCEU marathon of films and the UE actually is a pretty damn good film
Are you saying that in terms of gross, critical acceptance and/or popularity?