All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 11

[terry78]

That building weapon scene is definitely going to be a money shot they may put into the full trailer.

 

[X Knight]

well.....they did say that this Superman will beat the **** out of people!!

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Agree, not necessarily odd but definitely specific. I just want kick-assery. And we've got it in spades, I think.

Hell yes, I definitely agree with you man.

 

[Rockstar]

So Nolan's "Dark Knight Rises" is taking some negative heat. Apparently the reviews are saying it doesn't live up to the previous film.

It takes itself too seriously and is too heavy handed with the political stuff and themes.

This is a dark and heavy film; it tests the weight a superhero movie can bear. - Ebert

Spectacular action though.


I wonder what these means for Man of Steel and how it was handled.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I want MoS to take itself seriously, but not so seriously that it has all the fun sucked out of it.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

man of steel is a different property, I'm not expecting it to be anything like nolans batman movies as far as dark tone and overbearing politics.

 

[Rockstar]

I was looking forward to the political stuff. I knew it was in the first draft, with Clark as the freelance journalist caught up in that political coup in Africa.

Not sure if that even exists anymore.

But there is the chance for political stuff still being heavy here if they're keeping things realistic about Superman's debut and what the Government would do.


I think it's all about the execution though. Apparently, in the Dark Knight Rises, it's all serious and cerebral without heart. It's supposedly "plot-heavy, obsessed with process, laden with expository dialogue and flashbacks that bog down the momentum and just flat-out boring at times"

I think Superman's story, by nature, brings the 'heart' element in.

I like that they went for a more emotional teaser at SDCC. But then again, TDKR had an emotional first teaser as well.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

So Nolan's "Dark Knight Rises" is taking some negative heat. Apparently the reviews are saying it doesn't live up to the previous film.

It takes itself too seriously and is too heavy handed with the political stuff and themes.

They must have missed that's the same as Batman Begins (minus politics) and The Dark Knight. Reviews are still overwhelmingly glowing.

 

[Rockstar]

I think the presense of Ledger's Joker in the last one offset that. He kept things entertaining for audiences who would have been bored by the other stuff.

 

[Mr. Thing]

I, for one, am looking forward to a bit of a heavy-weight serious film with complex themes. I've had my share of fun already this year with The Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Rockstar]

Oh I definitely prefer seeing that stuff as well. It sounds like Nolan aimed for the Oscars with this one. May pay off for him.

 

[DaJanksta]

I'm not worried at all about The Dark Knight Rises. It will be great.

 

[Doc Ock]

I, for one, am looking forward to a bit of a heavy-weight serious film with complex themes. I've had my share of fun already this year with The Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man.

You can never have too much fun!

 

[ElDuderino]

I think the presense of Ledger's Joker in the last one offset that. He kept things entertaining for audiences who would have been bored by the other stuff.

Good point. He injected a little chaos into the order of things.

 

[Rockstar]

That, and he was overly theatrical and entertaining.

How many other Nolan characters could dress up in drag and still be intimidating?

He had general audience appeal. TDKR has all the right elements to appeal to me personally, but I'm not sure about general audiences... especially being 3 hours of seriousness.

 

[GreenKToo]

This might explain this picture. That section kind of looks like a throwing star.

If i'm not mistaken, thats from the oilrig scene. I remember seeing other pics that went along with it that showed the crew workers running to the helicopter while cavill was pointing the way.
This shot in particular is when a crane starts to fall, and clark holds it up ( I think)

 

[terry78]

That, and he was overly theatrical and entertaining.

How many other Nolan characters could dress up in drag and still be intimidating?

He had general audience appeal. TDKR has all the right elements to appeal to me personally, but I'm not sure about general audiences... especially being 3 hours of seriousness.

If they went the Venom route, I think it may have jazzed it up a tad for the mainstream in regards to spectacle.

 

[nikdavies15]

I, for one, am looking forward to a bit of a heavy-weight serious film with complex themes. I've had my share of fun already this year with The Avengers and The Amazing Spider-Man.

100% agree.

It's almost like Marvel is the pop-corn candy floss comic book movie, and DC is becoming the brooding, thought-provoking stuff.

I could also be talking out of my ample posterior, but what'ev. I am just glad to be alive in this era of comic book film making.

Now if they can sort out a Cavill/Bale JLA/Word's Finest type movie, I may just clap my hands and be done with this life, as it will be complete.

 

[terry78]

100% agree.

It's almost like Marvel is the pop-corn candy floss comic book movie, and DC is becoming the brooding, thought-provoking stuff.

I could also be talking out of my ample posterior, but what'ev. I am just glad to be alive in this era of comic book film making.

Now if they can sort out a Cavill/Bale JLA/Word's Finest type movie, I may just clap my hands and be done with this life, as it will be complete.

DC with their one franchise that's about to end?

 

[BestGirl]

DC with their one franchise that's about to end?

From what was shown at Comic Con, it looks like Superman is going to be tonally similar to Nolan's Batman.

 

[dnno1]

If i'm not mistaken, thats from the oilrig scene. I remember seeing other pics that went along with it that showed the crew workers running to the helicopter while cavill was pointing the way.
This shot in particular is when a crane starts to fall, and clark holds it up ( I think)

The oiling scene was just a guess, but an oil-rig is a type of building (similar construction) and the fact that there were girders lying around could easily be consrued as it being a building (we don't know how the [clean cut] girders got there). Furthermore, oil-rig cranes are not made with girders that large.

 

[nikdavies15]

DC with their one franchise that's about to end?

Come now. Nolan even said after the end of TDK that he wasn't sure about making another, so you can't take everything they say as gospel.

Bale has said in interviews how much he's loved his time in the suit, how much more material there is to go for, and that he would do it all again - admittedly only if Nolan does it, but we can hope.

If nothing else, the whole Batman saga and seemingly the new Superman movie (if you saw the SDCC footage - and not the cellphone version), are setting the tone for what has to follow. And I mean in terms of screenplay, cinematography, casting, production crews, the whole lot.

Let Marvel keep pumping out the bright, colourful stuff for the kid in all of us, and let DC deal with the more serious tone. The difference seems to be working - and as I write I think of Daredevil and Green Lantern as examples of each trying to do the other and failing.

 

[Lighthouse]

I've decided I'm going to take a long break from the internet when The Dark Knight Rises isn't nominated for Best Picture. Maybe until Man of Steel is in theaters.

 

[nikdavies15]

If i'm not mistaken, thats from the oilrig scene. I remember seeing other pics that went along with it that showed the crew workers running to the helicopter while cavill was pointing the way.
This shot in particular is when a crane starts to fall, and clark holds it up ( I think)

You're right, it is.

I think the rumours about girders being turned into throwing stars is bogus, and no doubt influenced by the picture you quote against. If you think about how that would relate to a story about Superman fighting Zod, it doesn't make sense. They are both men of steel, so steel throwing stars wouldn't do damage either of them.

From what I saw of the SDCC footage, the scene from this picture relates to the shot of Clark having his clothes burned off him, as he has a beard in both.

The fight in the city is no doubt part of a sequence called 'The Destruction of Metropolis" that I was told about last year.....at least in name if not in too much detail. The only detail I know about is of 'super' people being punched through buildings, and how difficult it has been to create digitally.

 

[Spuzz]

I've decided I'm going to take a long break from the internet when The Dark Knight Rises isn't nominated for Best Picture. Maybe until Man of Steel is in theaters.

Not sure I understand the point of that.

P.S. Great sig. Beautiful film.