All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - Part 13

[Rust]

I wouldn't pay much attention to the design of any of those toys, they are just prototypes to show off the actual function of the toys before getting the contract to develop them. These companies didn't even have the actual artwork available to use yet. In fact, I would imagine what was shown means those companies didn't get the contract.

So basically disregard everything from the commercials?

But is it still safe to assume that the BZ is a ship and that the mocap-men are Zod's robots?

 

[SpideyFan866]

So basically disregard everything from the commercials?

But is it still safe to assume that the BZ is a ship and that the mocap-men are Zod's robots?

I would sat so.

As far as the V.O. and graphics, those will be gone. The toys' names may change, but I think its okay to assume that BZ and The fortress are ships and the mocap men are the robots.

 

[BH/HHH]

I really hope their is a robot army infact if Black Zero is a prison ship what's to say its not run by robots? We already know Kelex is in this movie so maybe Zod reprograms the prison robots to do his bidding.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Least the toy commercial gave us some plot points over any of the footage released so far.

 

[Willi Berg]

Robot army? That sounds very "avengers" to me. I don't doubt it will be there, but just hope the focus is not Superman vs a bunch of robots. I want one on one Zod v Superman in a long fight.

I guess once Superman defeats the robot army, it comes down to a more one-on-one fight with Zod, and then moves to Smallville? And that's where the final showdown is?

 

[G.Godfrey]

Robot army? That sounds very "avengers" to me. I don't doubt it will be there, but just hope the focus is not Superman vs a bunch of robots. I want one on one Zod v Superman in a long fight.

It could also sound very Transformers...or whatever else has ´´robots`` wrecking havoc. Anyway, ´´robots`` are a safe bet, in terms of BO $$$. I wonder when they'll reveal all this, in the next trailer or the last one.

 

[G.Godfrey]

I guess once Superman defeats the robot army, it comes down to a more one-on-one fight with Zod, and then moves to Smallville? And that's where the final showdown is?

It would make more sense for the final showdown to be in Metropolis with the Black Zero and all that, because going from that to Smallville would be anticlimactic, imo. Also, Shannon and Cavill were both in Chicago, suited up in the train station, so maybe that's an indication of a Metropolis battle between them, that perhaps takes place over several streets/buildings? I hope so...

 

[Zionite1]

Zods army is full of Robots?Yessss!.I was worried it be more kryptonians again.Nice to see diversity in the fights.And Superman fighting robots has always been an awesome to watch ever since the fleschier Cartoon.
The fact they are giving Zod an army of Robots reminds of his original appearnce where he had an army of Robots as well.Guess Goyer didd his homework.Its also more beleivable that Superman defeats Robot army,than a kryptonian army-Also Supes will be able to cut looose.
Plus the GA love the robots.
Yeah I can see the Avengers similarities but Im not worried about it-Superman is facing an avengers level threat singlehandedly-thats awesome.

 

[Naked Shia]

I think Superman against robots should be interesting. But I've always been more interested in Robots like Asimov used to write them.

 

[The Shield]

It's almost hard to believe that a movie that's painted like what we've seen the the teaser:

is going to have a huge robot/zod war with Superman in the middle of it on the Big Screen. t: Definitely looking forward to this.

 

[The Guard]

My guess is that MAN OF STEEL's robot army won't be all that similar to THE AVENGERS, in that the robots will be revealed to be robots long before before they all just fall over when a control ship is destroyed.

 

[Rust]

I kinda hope the robots look like the ones in the commercial. They do have this retro'esque look to them like the old tv-show. Simple and smooth in shape and design. I guess it fits the fantasy-like design of the suits.

 

[Rust]

It's almost hard to believe that a movie that's painted like what we've seen the the teaser:

is going to have a huge robot/zod war with Superman in the middle of it on the Big Screen. t: Definitely looking forward to this.

Exactly. It's BB crossed with Star Wars. It's a great combo. t:

 

[The Shield]

Exactly. It's BB crossed with Star Wars. It's a great combo. t:

I Agree. t:

Maybe a flash of Top Gun too? (found this a few minutes ago)

The Pentagon has picked next summer’s Man of Steel film to be the cinematic debut of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, shown here in a 2011 ceremony at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida

 

[Rust]

Sweet. Here's hoping it sees some action in MOS though there's already the other jetfighter model used in the Smallville battle.

 

[The Shield]

Sweet. Here's hoping it sees some action in MOS though there's already the other jetfighter model used in the Smallville battle.

From the article:

Spoiler

Offscreen, the F-35 is in about as much trouble as a superhero in the third act of an action movie...

Article: (note it doesn't mention any more details about the movie)

Spoiler

Faster than a sluggish bureaucracy. More powerful than enemy radar. Able to scale tall buildings with a single engine. Up on the screen in the forthcoming Superman reboot, it’s — it’s — it’s the debut of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the most expensive weapons program in human history.

Long before the family of stealth jets known as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will ever fly a combat mission, the F-35 will appear in theaters for the first time next summer in Man of Steel, Zach Snyder’s anticipated re-imagining of the Superman franchise. It’s perhaps the best cinematic debut possible for an aircraft program that’s suffered numerous budgetary and engineering woes.

“It was a target of opportunity,” Phil Strub, the Pentagon’s Hollywood liaison, tells Danger Room. When the filmmakers visited California’s Edwards Air Force Base in January to get shots of military aircraft for a scene, they were excited to learn that the base hosted a complement of F-35s for flight testing. The base arranged for two of them to be towed into the shot.

“They liked the idea of having the most modern, the newest fighter aircraft in the background,” says Strub, who was on location with Man of Steel at Edwards. The F-35 had been digitally rendered in movies previously, including a scene in The Avengers when the Hulk tears it apart, but this was its first screen test for the actual plane. And it took only a few hours to film.

Offscreen, the F-35 is in about as much trouble as a superhero in the third act of an action movie. The advanced stealth fighter — intended to be the backbone of the Air Force, Navy and Marines’ future combat air fleets — is estimated to cost as much as $1.5 trillion over its half-century lifespan. It’s several years late and several hundred million dollars over budget. Its software is complicated, its engineering flaws are numerous, and the Pentagon no longer predicts when it will enter service. The Navy appears to be hedging its bets against the program ultimately collapsing under the weight of its costs — and inside the Pentagon, there’s concern over whether the F-35 remains, as Sen. Claire McCaskill once called it, “too big to fail.”

So it’s understandable that the Pentagon would consider a Superman movie to be the right cinematic vehicle for the F-35′s introduction to the culture. (Well, except for the web videos.) Although the way Strub tells it, the arrival of the F-35 in Man of Steel was little more than a happy accident for the Pentagon. There is no footage as of yet of the planes in flight, just shots of it on the ground at Edwards. And it appears not to have a role in helping vanquish Kryptonian villain General Zod, the film’s antagonist.

“I don’t think there are any plot points for the F-35,” Strub says. “I think it’s just background candy.” (That said, IMDB lists two actors as portraying F-35 pilots in the film.)

This is far from the first time the Pentagon turned to Hollywood to promote some of its big-ticket hardware. The first Iron Man movie featured a dogfight with the F-22 Raptor. Michael Bay got access to F-22s for his Transformers sequel, too. The Pentagon put a lot of fancy gear in The Avengers before withdrawing its support for that movie due to concerns about its fictional chain of military command. And beyond hyping its hardware, the Pentagon also turns to Hollywood to polish its public image, as with the forthcoming Zero Dark Thirty, a film about the bin Laden raid that received some technical assistance from the Defense Department.

It turned out that Man of Steel didn’t have much competition to be the first firm featuring the Joint Strike Fighter. “The F-35 came up in very, very preliminary conversation in a very preliminary meeting regarding Top Gun 2,” Strub says, but those discussions stopped after director Tony Scott’s suicide.

Strub won’t say if the plane actually interacts with Superman. But it gets the troubled aircraft program in the same sentence as the four-color symbol of truth, justice and the American way. By Offscreen, the F-35 is in about as much trouble as a superhero in the third act of an action movie. The advanced stealth fighter — intended to be the backbone of the Air Force, Navy and Marines’ future combat air fleets — is estimated to cost as much as $1.5 trillion over its half-century lifespan. It’s several years late and several hundred million dollars over budget. Its software is complicated, its engineering flaws are numerous, and the Pentagon no longer predicts when it will enter service. The Navy appears to be hedging its bets against the program ultimately collapsing under the weight of its costs — and inside the Pentagon, there’s concern over whether the F-35 remains, as Sen. Claire McCaskill once called it, “too big to fail.”

So it’s understandable that the Pentagon would consider a Superman movie to be the right cinematic vehicle for the F-35′s introduction to the culture. (Well, except for the web videos.) Although the way Strub tells it, the arrival of the F-35 in Man of Steel was little more than a happy accident for the Pentagon. There is no footage as of yet of the planes in flight, just shots of it on the ground at Edwards. And it appears not to have a role in helping vanquish Kryptonian villain General Zod, the film’s antagonist.

“I don’t think there are any plot points for the F-35,” Strub says. “I think it’s just background candy.” (That said, IMDB lists two actors as portraying F-35 pilots in the film.)

This is far from the first time the Pentagon turned to Hollywood to promote some of its big-ticket hardware. The first Iron Man movie featured a dogfight with the F-22 Raptor. Michael Bay got access to F-22s for his Transformers sequel, too. The Pentagon put a lot of fancy gear in The Avengers before withdrawing its support for that movie due to concerns about its fictional chain of military command. And beyond hyping its hardware, the Pentagon also turns to Hollywood to polish its public image, as with the forthcoming Zero Dark Thirty, a film about the bin Laden raid that received some technical assistance from the Defense Department.

It turned out that Man of Steel didn’t have much competition to be the first firm featuring the Joint Strike Fighter. “The F-35 came up in very, very preliminary conversation in a very preliminary meeting regarding Top Gun 2,” Strub says, but those discussions stopped after director Tony Scott’s suicide.

Strub won’t say if the plane actually interacts with Superman. But it gets the troubled aircraft program in the same sentence as the four-color symbol of truth, justice and the American way. By Offscreen, the F-35 is in about as much trouble as a superhero in the third act of an action movie. The advanced stealth fighter — intended to be the backbone of the Air Force, Navy and Marines’ future combat air fleets — is estimated to cost as much as $1.5 trillion over its half-century lifespan. It’s several years late and several hundred million dollars over budget. Its software is complicated, its engineering flaws are numerous, and the Pentagon no longer predicts when it will enter service. The Navy appears to be hedging its bets against the program ultimately collapsing under the weight of its costs — and inside the Pentagon, there’s concern over whether the F-35 remains, as Sen. Claire McCaskill once called it, “too big to fail.”

So it’s understandable that the Pentagon would consider a Superman movie to be the right cinematic vehicle for the F-35′s introduction to the culture. (Well, except for the web videos.) Although the way Strub tells it, the arrival of the F-35 in Man of Steel was little more than a happy accident for the Pentagon. There is no footage as of yet of the planes in flight, just shots of it on the ground at Edwards. And it appears not to have a role in helping vanquish Kryptonian villain General Zod, the film’s antagonist.

“I don’t think there are any plot points for the F-35,” Strub says. “I think it’s just background candy.” (That said, IMDB lists two actors as portraying F-35 pilots in the film.)

This is far from the first time the Pentagon turned to Hollywood to promote some of its big-ticket hardware. The first Iron Man movie featured a dogfight with the F-22 Raptor. Michael Bay got access to F-22s for his Transformers sequel, too. The Pentagon put a lot of fancy gear in The Avengers before withdrawing its support for that movie due to concerns about its fictional chain of military command. And beyond hyping its hardware, the Pentagon also turns to Hollywood to polish its public image, as with the forthcoming Zero Dark Thirty, a film about the bin Laden raid that received some technical assistance from the Defense Department.

It turned out that Man of Steel didn’t have much competition to be the first firm featuring the Joint Strike Fighter. “The F-35 came up in very, very preliminary conversation in a very preliminary meeting regarding Top Gun 2,” Strub says, but those discussions stopped after director Tony Scott’s suicide.

Strub won’t say if the plane actually interacts with Superman. But it gets the troubled aircraft program in the same sentence as the four-color symbol of truth, justice and the American way. -By Spencer Ackerman

 

[Dr Lee]

But the F-35B was in Avengers...Unless they mean the F-35A or the F-35C....

 

[The Shield]

They're saying that what we saw in Avengers was only the digital copy. MOS has been given the actual jets.

 

[Willi Berg]

Zods army is full of Robots?Yessss!.I was worried it be more kryptonians again.Nice to see diversity in the fights.And Superman fighting robots has always been an awesome to watch ever since the fleschier Cartoon.
The fact they are giving Zod an army of Robots reminds of his original appearnce where he had an army of Robots as well.Guess Goyer didd his homework.Its also more beleivable that Superman defeats Robot army,than a kryptonian army-Also Supes will be able to cut looose.
Plus the GA love the robots.
Yeah I can see the Avengers similarities but Im not worried about it-Superman is facing an avengers level threat singlehandedly-thats awesome.

It is nice that it links back to very early Superman.

And in terms of Avengers, it did feel more of an alien invasion than a robot one. And I'm sure the story and tone of Superman and what happens beforehand will be much more different than what we saw in Avengers. And, as said, a lot of sci-fi blockbusters do have invading alien or robot armies.

It's almost hard to believe that a movie that's painted like what we've seen the the teaser is going to have a huge robot/zod war with Superman in the middle of it on the Big Screen. t: Definitely looking forward to this.

Yes, interesting how different that teaser is to what we're now hearing.

 

[Dr Lee]

They're saying that what we saw in Avengers was only the digital copy. MOS has been given they actual jets.

Ah... I see, that makes sense then... though with the low number of F-35 jets currently built, i suspect all we'll see is a couple parked up...

 

[The Shield]

Ah... I see, that makes sense then... though with the low number of F-35 jets currently built, i suspect all we'll see is a couple parked up...

Yeah I believe so too.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Robot army? That sounds very "avengers" to me. I don't doubt it will be there, but just hope the focus is not Superman vs a bunch of robots. I want one on one Zod v Superman in a long fight.

I don't think it will be. I think it'll more likely be The Army vs a bunch of robot.

 

[Micromind]

It's almost hard to believe that a movie that's painted like what we've seen the the teaser:

is going to have a huge robot/zod war with Superman in the middle of it on the Big Screen. t: Definitely looking forward to this.

This is a worrying point to me, the tonal consistency between the first act, the second act and the third act.

It should Not look like all of a sudden the whole movie shifts its tone, going from a Batman Begins tone to a completely different Transformers-esque / Avengers-esque tone in the final act of the movie.

As if we are now watching a completely different movie. Critics are usually very harsh on such movies and tend to give it a really low scores.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Well that's why i'm kind of hoping that we start on Krypton, to give us some immediate big action/techy scenes that makes it clear this film is sci-fi from the very beginning. Then with Clark discovering the fortress ship in the middle too, I don't think there will be a drastic shift in tone.

 

[superhero#1]

The way I see it, the movie have to start on krypton.How will they established black zero, zod, faora, jor-el, The send off of kal-el, The fall of krypton ect.I can't see them telling the story properly with flashbacks.I think we will see flashbacks at some point.Krypton will play a huge role in the story , I can't see how krypton can be told with flashbacks and be done justice.