All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 2

[Dark Knight]

Fans are yes, the general public is not going hungry for a Superman movie that is true to the source material. Maybe action packed yes. General public doesn't care about source material.

Just like the general public doesn't really care about the Trek franchise as much as some like to believe?

 

[Wheels]

When was the last time anything Superman related was as popular as the Star Trek reboot?

 

[Dark Knight]

When was the last time anything Superman related was as popular as the Star Trek reboot?

Umm....Superman Returns? I'm being serious also. Say what you will about SR but it was well reviewed by critics overall, but had mixed reviews with fans and STILL made about the same amount of money as the Trek reboot did overall.

This despite being considered an underwhelming Superman film with no serious villain and lack of great action. Can you imagine how much more money a truly kick ass Superman film will do that is the opposite of Singers bland SR?

I don't get how some people keep acting like the Trek reboot was such a box office juggernaut when it certainly was not.

 

[Wheels]

I personality don't know many people who remember SR, let alone like it. I'm just talking about friends and family who don't read comics.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Star Trek wasn't a box office juggernaut but it made $100 million more than twice it's budget, which i understand is a solid profit. it was also extremely well received critics, fans, AND nonfans alike. on the other hand, SR made just a tad below twice it's budget and though it was well received by critics, general audiences didn't exactly flock to it, and it divided fans a great deal.

basically, ST was a runaway success and SR was a didn't live up to expectations.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Superman can't be afraid of Star Trek. Even a lackluster like SR did more overseas. A good Superman movie will have its good run with or without competition.

 

[Superman2007]

Superman can't be afraid of Star Trek. Even a lackluster like SR did more overseas. A good Superman movie will have its good run with or without competition.

This

 

[Micromind]

Despite some claiming that SR did not have any impact on people, I have to say that it rejuvenated people's interest in the character, kind of brought him back into people's minds.

For example, I see many people buying Superman T-Shirts (where I live, not in US.) even today, not many are buying Spider-man or Wolverine T-shirts, Superman merchandise is selling as well, this was not happening before SR in 2006.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Superman can't be afraid of Star Trek. Even a lackluster like SR did more overseas. A good Superman movie will have its good run with or without competition.

True that.

 

[Superman2007]

Despite some claiming that SR did not have any impact on people, I have to say that it rejuvenated people's interest in the character, kind of brought him back into people's minds.

For example, I see many people buying Superman T-Shirts (where I live, not in US.) even today, not many are buying Spider-man or Wolverine T-shirts, Superman merchandise is selling as well, this was not happening before SR in 2006.

I actually have much admiration for SR, but I can't give it credit for something I don't think it did. Sales for general Superman merchandise have always been impressive. The iconography of this s-shield:

Has always been compelling and has always helped move merchandise.

I think the masses have always found the imagery of Superman to be very cool, even though interest in the movies, tv shows, and comic books have fluctuated. Hopefully, the new Snyder film will be something more people will gravitate to.

 

[Rowsdower!]

People are forgetting that Star Trek was received well by fans and critics, and a sequel was a certainty after the film was released, while with SR, critics did like it (for some reason I have yet to understand) and it made a lot of money, but the overall public sentiment about the film was lukewarm. Hence the reboot.

It might be better to compare Star Trek to Batman Begins. Both of those films raked in good money and left fans and the general audience craving more. Sequels were a cetainty shortly after the first films were released. And we all know how the sequel to Batman Begins did at the box office. So while Star Trek might not have been a huge megablockbuster, there's no reason to assume that its sequel won't be. I'm sure it won't pull in TDK numbers, but it will most likely trump the numbers that the first film made.

With that in mind, if Man of Steel goes head-to-head with Star Trek 2, there's a good chance it will lose. Even if it doesn't, the two films will hurt each other's numbers. So if studios are smart, they'll leave a two week gap at the minimum.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

If Star Trek 2 and The Man of Steel opened the same day, people will choose the former. No question. At the end of the day, it comes down to the last movie was incredibly popular and clicked with the masses in a way the franchise never had before. The comparison to Batman Begins is dead on, and Star Trek did way better stateside where it matters more for studios.

That's why this weekend is fascinating to watch between Kung-Fu Panda 2 and The Hangover Part II. Both are big sequels to surprise-blockbusters that everyone (critics, audiences, etc.) loved. They're both going to open huge...but only one of em can win the weekend.

 

[DorkyFresh]

if the studios can help it the Hobbit, ST2, and MOS will NOT open on each others' weekends.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Umm....Superman Returns? I'm being serious also. Say what you will about SR but it was well reviewed by critics overall, but had mixed reviews with fans and STILL made about the same amount of money as the Trek reboot did overall.

it was actually as well reviewed by fans as it was with critics. i remember the poll we had here when it came out, and people overall quite enjoyed the movie. the people who are negative towards it were just always very vocal and still are. the haters seems to always ignore that the movie made money and was well received. its downfall was the fact that the box office and reception were good, when people needed/expected/wanted it to be great.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The slow-mo then speed-mo thing and the music in 300's fight scenes were very close to Matrtix. Same with Watchmen. Not that Snyder is the only one imitating the Matrix style, I still remember Spiderman swinging from building to building, suddenly stopping in mid air with the camera panning around him just to have him going on after a while.

I don't think that indicates Snyder copies the Matrix in his style. I just think it shows the Matrix was on of the first too use a style that is now frequent in action cinema.

 

[Showtime]

Just like the general public doesn't really care about the Trek franchise as much as some like to believe?

The general public doesn't care about any movie until they are seeing the tv spots, in other words, until they are force fed it. Star Trek is certainly more on people's radar than Superman at this point. I don't consider Star Trek a "word of mouth" movie, but it was more so than Superman Returns.

If Superman: Man of Steel makes 215 million domestic & 205 million overseas totaling 420, what does that mean for the studio?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

if the studios can help it the Hobbit, ST2, and MOS will NOT open on each others' weekends.

Wouldn't bank on Hobbit hitting next Christmas for the same reason Star Trek 2 isn't hitting next June. Not enough time to get it done - even though they're two months into filming.

 

[Rowsdower!]

If Star Trek 2 and The Man of Steel opened the same day, people will choose the former. No question. At the end of the day, it comes down to the last movie was incredibly popular and clicked with the masses in a way the franchise never had before. The comparison to Batman Begins is dead on, and Star Trek did way better stateside where it matters more for studios.

That's why this weekend is fascinating to watch between Kung-Fu Panda 2 and The Hangover Part II. Both are big sequels to surprise-blockbusters that everyone (critics, audiences, etc.) loved. They're both going to open huge...but only one of em can win the weekend.

Yeah, I'm really curious to see how this weekend turns out. They are predicting both movies to be huge, and since they are targetting mostly different audiences, they both have a chance to make a ton of money. It will be interesting to see which one comes out the victor.

Either way, it will just be good to see Captain Jack knocked down to #3 after one week.

 

[The Shield]

This the best and most well done 3D fan made short I've ever seen. I can't believe I'm just now seeing this! Beautiful. I'm I the only one who missed this last year?

http://youtu.be/Hk2nK8B5AjA

Spoiler

 

[Dark Knight]

The general public doesn't care about any movie until they are seeing the tv spots, in other words, until they are force fed it.

My point see exactly.

 

[Dark Knight]

People are forgetting that Star Trek was received well by fans and critics, and a sequel was a certainty after the film was released, while with SR, critics did like it (for some reason I have yet to understand) and it made a lot of money, but the overall public sentiment about the film was lukewarm. Hence the reboot.

It might be better to compare Star Trek to Batman Begins. Both of those films raked in good money and left fans and the general audience craving more. Sequels were a cetainty shortly after the first films were released. And we all know how the sequel to Batman Begins did at the box office. So while Star Trek might not have been a huge megablockbuster, there's no reason to assume that its sequel won't be. I'm sure it won't pull in TDK numbers, but it will most likely trump the numbers that the first film made.

With that in mind, if Man of Steel goes head-to-head with Star Trek 2, there's a good chance it will lose. Even if it doesn't, the two films will hurt each other's numbers. So if studios are smart, they'll leave a two week gap at the minimum.

There is no way they are going to head to head the same weekend, so let's get that out of our heads right now. They will be released at least two weekends apart at the very least.

Remember, that Trek maybe squeezed by both WB's The Hobbit and Man Of Steel, which would not be a good thing for you Trek fans in here.

WB's should try and snag the Dec 21st or Dec 28th weekend release dates for MOS as soon as they can. Then release Hobbit during Thanksgiving weekend, Dec 7th or 14th, or whatever equals two full weekends apart from MOS or push Hobbit back to June as one of their 2013 tentpoles.

 

[Showtime]

My point see exactly.

Well actually, your point was that the general public is hungry to see a Superman movie that is true to the source material.

 

[Alientraveller]

Then release Hobbit during Thanksgiving weekend, Dec 7th or 14th, or whatever equals two full weekends apart from MOS or push Hobbit back to June as one of their 2013 tentpoles.

Er no. The Hobbit films will come out third Wednesday of December, just like each Rings film.

WB will likely budge Superman to March 2013 as they'll have leeway with the lawsuit once filming begins.

Regardless, late 2012 will be fun at the cinema for me with Bilbo, Clark, Kirk and Bond!

 

[Dark Knight]

Well actually, your point was that the general public is hungry to see a Superman movie that is true to the source material.

No, that was just ONE of my points. Spirit of source material aimed at fans and all the other stuff aimed at the general movie going public that they eat up.

Now, your trying to tell me what my points are?

Jeez...

 

[Dark Knight]

Er no. The Hobbit films will come out third Wednesday of December, just like each Rings film.

WB will likely budge Superman to March 2013 as they'll have leeway with the lawsuit once filming begins.

Regardless, late 2012 will be fun at the cinema for me with Bilbo, Clark, Kirk and Bond!

Wednesday or Friday.....whatever. When did Hobbit get an official release day/date?

Interesting.....WB's has leeway with the MOS release date being in 2013? When did this come out?