All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 38

[DarthSkywalker]

This is an art concept that was made for JJ Abrams Superman:

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I see. Who drew that horrible Superman?

 

[Superherofan123]

The EW cover has over 9,000 likes on the man of steel fb page! Awesome!!!

 

[ElDuderino]

And the model of Ty-Zor:

Compared to Jor-El:

 

[gomez147]

The EW cover has over 9,000 likes on the man of steel fb page! Awesome!!!

Good... People are that desperate for news, that every small thing they release makes all the internet crazy! t:

 

[Kevin Smith]

The EW preview said he was special on Krypton. So other than being the first natural birth on Krypton in generations then what would else would make him so special on Krypton?

I'm sorry I thought it was always understood that the kryptonians were naturally conceived in most versions of the comics.....I have seen the article we're all speculating on and it doesn't say anything other than Kal El was special and his birth was cause for alarm.

I don't see how any have extrapolated that kryptonians give birth through test tubes only being the commonality on Krypton out of any that. It's not like even alluded to...

 

[Dark Sentinel]

This is an art concept that was made for JJ Abrams Superman back in 2002. MOS suit was clearly inspired on this:

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I personally LOVE that concept t:

 

[ElDuderino]

I'm sorry I thought it was always understood that the kryptonians were naturally conceived in most versions of the comics.....I have seen the article we're all speculating on and it doesn't say anything other than Kal El was special and his birth was cause for alarm.

I don't see how any have extrapolated that kryptonians give birth through test tubes only being the commonality on Krypton out of any that. It's not like even alluded to...

Not a fan of the Jump to Conclusions Mat huh?

 

[Showtime]

Well, they're using the good concepts -- and hopfully cutting out the horrible dialogue and generally ridiculousness.

He said it better above.

Which is the biggest one? I have read some parts of that script and I haven't found any similarity, except for the suit, obviously

I have heard about the Abrams script, but could you give me a clue of what these elements are? This sounds kinda of like Batman Begins.

And the model of Ty-Zor:

Compared to Jor-El:

Yep. Good one. Faora a bit too.

 

[Showtime]

What if his birth was some kind of prophecy type thing. Could be anything. I think its going to be hashed out a bit more in the EW article.

 

[ElDuderino]

On the story side of things, in Flyby, Clark is taught at a young age to suppress/be afraid of his powers. Same here.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

I'm sorry I thought it was always understood that the kryptonians were naturally conceived in most versions of the comics.....I have seen the article we're all speculating on and it doesn't say anything other than Kal El was special and his birth was cause for alarm.

I don't see how any have extrapolated that kryptonians give birth through test tubes only being the commonality on Krypton out of any that. It's not like even alluded to...

But it is an interesting bit of depth added onto Kryptonian culture. They're a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours, with a heavily implied emphasis on scientific perfection. Test tube "designer babies" would be a natural eventuality after a few generations, and after a few more they might even consider natural birth unthinkable, and many (we might call them "conservatives" ) would seek to maintain this status quo. So Kal-El's conception would cause a major stir among them, especially among those who strive to maintain said status quo.

Excelsior., X Knight and I were talking earlier, and it also has heavy indications for Superman's characterization. Because he was born naturally (i.e., out of love) and raised with compassion by the Kents, his birth would also act as a "symbolic ultimate source for Superman's own compassion, and by extension his motivations.

 

[Showtime]

On the story side of things, in Flyby, Clark is taught at a young age to suppress/be afraid of his powers. Same here.

Yep. Another good point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What if his birth was some kind of prophecy type thing. Could be anything. I think its going to be hashed out a bit more in the EW article.

I really, really, really hope not.

 

[Showtime]

I really, really, really hope not.

Not saying that is the case, just throwing it out there.

In regards to the Abrams script, Filmnerdjamie and myself have been saying that they are borrowing elements from that script for what seems like years. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Returns took little bits and pieces of previous scripts as well. Including Flyby.

 

[SpideyFan866]

And the model of Ty-Zor:

Compared to Jor-El:

Those are very similar.

I'm not shocked though, WB seems to be recycling alot of ideas from its previous attempts to make a Superman movie. Like casting Cavill, who had been casted before in the role back when McG was working on "Superman: Flyby".

 

[gomez147]

What if his birth was some kind of prophecy type thing. Could be anything. I think its going to be hashed out a bit more in the EW article.

Remember that leaked MOS call sheet? There was a scene described as something like "Jor-El diving into the water to recover the Codex". Maybe that has to do with some prophecy about Kal-El...

 

[ElDuderino]

Not saying that is the case, just throwing it out there.

In regards to the Abrams script, Filmnerdjamie and myself have been saying that they are borrowing elements from that script for what seems like years. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Returns took little bits and pieces of previous scripts as well. Including Flyby.

Very early on I thought they were doing it (i.e., borrowing prior concepts) because I felt they were rushing to get the movie done. But this movie has been so long in the making, I guess that wasn't really the case. Well, there was a rush at first, and then when it was delayed from December, they really could have spread out the production a bit more. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not saying that is the case, just throwing it out there.

In regards to the Abrams script, Filmnerdjamie and myself have been saying that they are borrowing elements from that script for what seems like years. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Returns took little bits and pieces of previous scripts as well. Including Flyby.

I know you aren't, I am just saying I hope it isn't something like that.

I am fine with borrowing from past scripts as long as it works. To me it is no different then multiple drafts. A good idea shouldn't be lost because it was in a previous script.

The only problem comes when some aren't willing to see the obvious ties between the projects.

 

[Superherofan123]

So does anyone know when the digital version of EW is available? Is it midnight??

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Ok, so from what I'm gathering there's spec that Jor-El retrieves some kind of "codex" and it's somehow linked with the "Kal-El Prophecy"?



What if the Codex is a recording of an "ancient" Kryptonian legend, when the Kryptonians still explored space? What if a rogue band of Kryptonian astronauts crash-landed on a planet with a yellow sun, and discovered their powers? This would give reason for Jor-El to search for a particular planet around a yellow sun, thereby the "prophecy" isn't a prophecy at all?

It sounds similar to STM to me... but I guess it could be implied in the film, as opposed to just stated outright.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

So does anyone know when the digital version of EW is available? Is it midnight??

We'll find out in about half an hour

 

[Herolee10]

Ok, so from what I'm gathering there's spec that Jor-El retrieves some kind of "codex" and it's somehow linked with the "Kal-El Prophecy"?



What if the Codex is a recording of an "ancient" Kryptonian legend, when the Kryptonians still explored space? What if a rogue band of Kryptonian astronauts crash-landed on a planet with a yellow sun, and discovered their powers? This would give reason for Jor-El to search for a particular planet around a yellow sun, thereby the "prophecy" isn't a prophecy at all?

It sounds similar to STM to me... but I guess it could be implied in the film, as opposed to just stated outright.

Well i do remember Goyer saying in a very early interview that he was trying to set up a whole new mythology when it came to Krypton so there is some possibility in regards to the prophecy aspect as well.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Ok, so from what I'm gathering there's spec that Jor-El retrieves some kind of "codex" and it's somehow linked with the "Kal-El Prophecy"?



What if the Codex is a recording of an "ancient" Kryptonian legend, when the Kryptonians still explored space? What if a rogue band of Kryptonian astronauts crash-landed on a planet with a yellow sun, and discovered their powers? This would give reason for Jor-El to search for a particular planet around a yellow sun, thereby the "prophecy" isn't a prophecy at all?

It sounds similar to STM to me... but I guess it could be implied in the film, as opposed to just stated outright.

Hmmmm. This is interesting. If they do go the route where interplanetary travel is banned on Krypton, perhaps the discovery of the yellow sun's effects is why.

 

[Showtime]

Remember that leaked MOS call sheet? There was a scene described as something like "Jor-El diving into the water to recover the Codex". Maybe that has to do with some prophecy about Kal-El...

Hmmm.

Very early on I thought they were doing it (i.e., borrowing prior concepts) because I felt they were rushing to get the movie done. But this movie has been so long in the making, I guess that wasn't really the case. Well, there was a rush at first, and then when it was delayed from December, they really could have spread out the production a bit more. Hindsight is 20/20.

Sometimes its even the smallest of details that they might borrow. I have a good one.

In the Batman vs Superman script there is a sequence featuring terrorists where something called the Freedom Monument is toppling and he stops it, just as glass shatters from the dome and falls down. He turns his head and incinerates the glass before it can reach a mother and child.

Sound familiar?

Superman did it in Superman Returns with falling glass.

 

[DKDetective]

Remember that leaked MOS call sheet? There was a scene described as something like "Jor-El diving into the water to recover the Codex". Maybe that has to do with some prophecy about Kal-El...

Personally, I'd prefer if the Codex was simply a back-up archive of all Kryptonian knowledge. Jor-El knows that the planet is doomed and, in order to save that knowledge for Kal-El, he breaks in and steals it so that he can send it along with baby Kal-El. It could reinforce his characterize as a scientist and man of knowledge. Not only does he rebel against the council to save his son, but he attempts to create a time capsule of his doomed civilization. It would also be neat if it has something to do with the rocket's destination as others have mentioned. Long banned records of Krypton's exploration of the galaxy before the planet's self-imposed isolation. I hate prophecies when it comes to Superman... makes the Christ/messiah allegory too blatant.