All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 67

[Marvin]

I fear whomever they choose for the sequel, there will be a down side.

More aliens from Krypton(ie braniac/doomsday)

Yet another Lex story..

Smallville on steroids in the form of Metallo and or Parasite...

Even my most favorable idea of a Action Comics 775 idea features superman battling yet another group of supermen in a city.

Thematically all those films are new and different, but they also have their downsides. It must be exciting for the producers but it's no doubt hella stressful. TDK was such an obvious decision, here not so much.

I do hope they get in to the death of superman stuff at some point, Cavill has expressed interest in that novel.

 

[Herolee10]

I wouldn't mind seeing Superman going up against the Elite, along with Lex Luthor for the sequel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I fear whomever they choose for the sequel, there will be a down side.

More aliens from Krypton(ie braniac/doomsday)

Yet another Lex story..

Smallville on steroids in the form of Metallo and or Parasite...

Even my most favorable idea of a Action Comics 775 idea features superman battling yet another group of supermen in a city.

Thematically all those films are new and different, but they also have their downsides. It must be exciting for the producers but it's no doubt hella stressful. TDK was such an obvious decision, here not so much.

I do hope they get in to the death of superman stuff at some point, Cavill has expressed interest in that novel.

Please no Death of Superman.

Honestly though, I think this is the exact reason we might get a World's Finest of JL film next. Hard to think of a sequel right now.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I can't stop watching these two. Over. And over. And over.

These shots just reek of awesomeness.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The next film needs to go more intimate and personal with smaller but more poignant scale of action. I don't think they should try to top the huge scale of this movie. Whedon is doing just that with Avengers 2, going smaller.

 

[Marvin]

Spoiler

Though I'm avoiding looking at these too hard, I would like to add that I think this is a case of superman catching a blow from Zod(a right cross perhaps), and offering his own left once zod is vulnerable. Perhaps one of many, I wouldn't put it past Snyder.

I love the hair action.

I am a big fan of the DC animated films. Some are just a bit too short or straight forward, but they still work really well imo, especially the GL and Superman ones. New Frontier is awesome. The Wonder Woman one is also really solid.

I liked all those films very much actually, year one as well.
But it's the films like tower of babel that that really fall short.
First Flight was a green lantern film blueprint, and those idiots....sigh.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Braniac could combine the sci-fi and crime drama genres. Imagine facing of with a cyborg or computer that is always a step ahead of everyone? I want Mongol and Darkseid for the third, though. That'd be epic. As if MOS isn't already

 

[Herolee10]

Please no Death of Superman.

Honestly though, I think this is the exact reason we might get a World's Finest of JL film next. Hard to think of a sequel right now.

Considering how long superman fans have been denied a decent franchise for the character, I would personally prefer them focusing their attempts on making Superman a hit franchise as opposed to being a one hit wonder.

Honestly, I'm in no rush to see Batman again and I could really care less about seeing Superman interact with other DC heroes at the moment. I just want to see a Superman story told successfully within a trilogy's worth.

 

[X Knight]

I can't stop watching these two. Over. And over. And over.

I Know!!! This Superman is actually gonna do ****!!!

 

[Herolee10]

The next film needs to go more intimate and personal with smaller but more poignant scale of action. I don't think they should try to top the huge scale of this movie. Whedon is doing just that with Avengers 2, going smaller.

Which is why i think they should have Superman go up against Earth based villains in the sequel to show the full repercussions of Superman's presence on Earth.

The animated film "Superman vs Elite" brought up a lot of issues for the character that I thought made sense and I wouldn't mind seeing those explored on the big screen. There have been a few times where I've seen the theme of Superman wondering if he was doing enough and trying to figure out a balance of how far he should use his powers when it comes to helping humanity and not crossing the line of becoming the militant dictator that Zod would be like if he ruled Earth with his powers instead.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd want to see Lex if (which I think would happen) he's the Lex of now. And if there is super powered villain e.g. Braniac.

Joaquin Phoenix. That's all I'm sayin.

I still want Phoenix for the role if Lex is the next villain. Not to say he's the only choice but he's my favorite pick so far.

Considering how long superman fans have been denied a decent franchise for the character, I would personally prefer them focusing their attempts on making Superman a hit franchise as opposed to being a one hit wonder.

Honestly, I'm in no rush to see Batman again and I could really care about seeing Superman interact with other DC heroes at the moment. I just want to see a Superman story told successfully within a trilogy's worth.

Same.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

The next film needs to go more intimate and personal with smaller but more poignant scale of action. I don't think they should try to top the huge scale of this movie. Whedon is doing just that with Avengers 2, going smaller.

I agree. I want the sequel to be a game of wits and not of brawn. It could also flesh out the DP and Lois storylines. I want the government to be overconfident of Superman this time around, and Superman realising that he needs other people somehow to help stop this foe. I want Superman to beat Braniac, but realize there might be a bigger threat-and show him thinking of forming an organization or something.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Spoiler

Though I'm avoiding looking at these too hard, I would like to add that I think this is a case of superman catching a blow from Zod(a right cross perhaps), and offering his own left once zod is vulnerable. Perhaps one of many, I wouldn't put it past Snyder.

I love the hair action.



I liked all those films very much actually, year one as well.
But it's the films like tower of babel that that really fall short.
First Flight was a green lantern film blueprint, and those idiots....sigh.

First Flight just makes The Green Lantern film look a thousand times worse. And yeah, agree on Justice League Doom. One of my few disappointments, though I do still enjoy it.

 

[Marvin]

Please no Death of Superman.

Honestly though, I think this is the exact reason we might get a World's Finest of JL film next. Hard to think of a sequel right now.

I assume you are not talking about the specific short comings of the writing in that series(goyer/nolan have a way around that it seems). But rather the short coming and melodrama of the premise.

I offer up two pros.

The most epic fight scene in cbm history, not only supermans "Strongest" enemy(if they even use doomsday) but one where he goes all out and actually loses. As much as I'm looking forward to the action in this MoS, Superman's gonna win.
Even knowing superman's gonna lose going in is still super exciting.

Secondly, TDKR was partially sold on the hype of a story line in which Batman is defeated by a specific person. I can imagine 3 films in, that would be a huge selling point.

When the original story came out in 93(I think), it was a huge cross media event that even showed up on CNN. The marketing opportunities would be...pretty huge.
Especially if they don't pull a STID and actually have it stick.

just saying.

 

[MrMaooz]

MOS had a tv spot with the Bball game

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The next film needs to go more intimate and personal with smaller but more poignant scale of action. I don't think they should try to top the huge scale of this movie. Whedon is doing just that with Avengers 2, going smaller.

We shall see how much "smaller" the Avengers 2 really is when it comes out. It maybe more intimate, but smaller? Not a chance imo.

Considering how long superman fans have been denied a decent franchise for the character, I would personally prefer them focusing their attempts on making Superman a hit franchise as opposed to being a one hit wonder.

Honestly, I'm in no rush to see Batman again and I could really care about seeing Superman interact with other DC heroes at the moment. I just want to see a Superman story told successfully within a trilogy's worth.

I hate the ideas of trilogies. I say do what is best. If that is a MoS, World's Finest, MoS2 and JL or any other combination, then do it imo.

I am not a fan of placing parameters of storytelling. If the next best film they can come up with isn't a Superman only film, why do that?

 

[Herolee10]

I would think that if by some miracle, MOS makes around 700-800 million alone at the end of its box office run that Warner Bros. would opt towards making a sequel towards MOS since not only would it be less risky than making the DC Ensemble film but they could still potentially get their billion dollar film if they were to make the sequel to MOS better than MOS.

 

[Marvin]

The thing about the modern sequel is that little window of selling an audience that you have now won over, on a familiar idea that is super charged and super interesting.

TDK trailer and it's marketing are a master class on this. We were on board with this new take on batman and then the joker shows up in the trailer looking like the crow dressed like selling a happy meal from hell and everyone is instantly on board and intrigued.

Again unlike STID, you wanna capitalize on that window imo. Unfortunately for Marvel, Thor/Cap and Ironman didn't/don't have big recognizable villains to do that with(though some could argue mandarin).

I think Superman has a handful of villains that qualify, namely doomsday and lex. Though it's a slippery slope.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

An MOS sequel is the best thing in my opinion. That trilogy stuff is b.s to me though. Why did Batman deserve a sequel and not Superman?

I find the shared universe thing barely tolerable and will never choose that over a well done sequel. It will never be the best option IMHO

 

[Herolee10]

I hate the ideas of trilogies. I say do what is best. If that is a MoS, World's Finest, MoS2 and JL or any other combination, then do it imo.

I am not a fan of placing parameters of storytelling. If the next best film they can come up with isn't a Superman only film, why do that?

Well as I've said before, I prefer quality over quantity and really, how many franchises can you say are out there that have maintained the high quality that they were able to establish early on within their run past the third film of their given franchise?

I would rather Snyder and company give one hell of a trilogy for Superman than to give three great films and 2 or three more films after those that were medicore.

Plus like I've said before, I'm not sure about others, but I'm in no rush to see Batman again and I say this as a Superman fan, but honestly, when has there been a time when Superman has been portrayed correctly when he's shared the same screen with Batman? Until proven otherwise, Batman has always been the favorite for those in charge and Superman's character has always been butchered to some extent in order to make Batman look great.

So I really don't give a crap about Batman at the moment when it comes to a World's finest film and I think it's fair to ask that we get at least a great trilogy to remember Superman by before we start tangling him with other DC heroes.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

We shall see how much "smaller" the Avengers 2 really is when it comes out. It maybe more intimate, but smaller? Not a chance imo.


I hate the ideas of trilogies. I say do what is best. If that is a MoS, World's Finest, MoS2 and JL or any other combination, then do it imo.

I am not a fan of placing parameters of storytelling. If the next best film they can come up with isn't a Superman only film, why do that?

I agree. I also think that's why Doomsday is so powerful. Superman knows that there's the JLA to help him, but he doesn't want to risk their lives. He'd be willing to make that sacrifice-alone. I eventually want a "Death and Return" storyline, but only after several movies-including the JLA film. I know it's crazy, but I want to see Zack do a literal adaptation of "The Return of Superman."

I want Doomsday to be handled as a WEAPON, not a villain, with the real villain being behind the scenes. And I want a DOS event within a proper Snyderverse feature, not as a stand-alone movie.

 

[Herolee10]

An MOS sequel is the best thing in my opinion. That trilogy stuff is b.s to me though. Why did Batman deserve a sequel and not Superman?

Exactly. Just for once, I'd like to see a director able to fully direct Superman films since we have yet to have one director who's been successful in doing that due to either poor box office results or backstage politics.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well as I've said before, I prefer quality over quantity and really, how many franchises can you say are out there that have maintained the high quality that they were able to establish early on within their run past the third film of their given franchise?

I would rather Snyder and company give one hell of a trilogy for Superman than to give three great films and 2 or three more films after those that were medicore.

Plus like I've said before, I'm not sure about others, but I'm in no rush to see Batman again and I say this as a Superman fan, but honestly, when has there been a time when Superman has been portrayed correctly when he's shared the same screen with Batman? Until proven otherwise, Batman has always been the favorite for those in charge and Superman's character has always been butchered to some extent in order to make Batman look great.

So I really don't give a crap about Batman at the moment when it comes to a World's finest film and I think it's fair to ask that we get at least a great trilogy to remember Superman by before we start tangling him with other DC heroes.

Then why do you want a trilogy? How many trilogies have actually turned out with three great films? Heck, two great films? We don't even know if we have one great film right now.

 

[Marvin]

I would think that if by some miracle, MOS makes around 700-800 million alone at the end of its box office run that Warner Bros. would opt towards making a sequel towards MOS since not only would it be less risky than making the DC Ensemble film but they could still potentially get their billion dollar film if they were to make the sequel to MOS better than MOS.

What would Marvel do

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Exactly. Just for once, I'd like to see a director able to fully direct Superman films since we have yet to have one director who's been successful in doing that due to either poor box office results or backstage politics.

Because he's Batman

But yeah, Snyder and the TDK team should be rewarded with the ability to make the franchise theirs for the time being.