All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 67

[GreenKToo]

I haven't seen any horrible CGI yet, I've seen CGI obviously but it looks pretty good to me so far. Not perfect of course but then CGI never is. I'm not dismissing you guys opinion either, everyone has a right to their opinions. I just don't agree.

I haven't either....shrugs

 

[DarthSkywalker]

An MOS sequel is the best thing in my opinion. That trilogy stuff is b.s to me though. Why did Batman deserve a sequel and not Superman?

I find the shared universe thing barely tolerable and will never choose that over a well done sequel. It will never be the best option IMHO

It is going to be hard to top the action here imo. How do you do that? You add Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Hal, Aquaman etc.

I think people need to open up to that fact that you can get MoS2 with a World's Finest or even JL film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I think Superman has a handful of villains that qualify, namely doomsday and lex. Though it's a slippery slope

They could give us a modern, thoroughly reinvented Lex and that might intrigue people. Show him doing and saying stuff in the trailers that the general public has never seen of Lex before.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Exactly. Just for once, I'd like to see a director able to fully direct Superman films since we have yet to have one director who's been successful in doing that due to either poor box office results or backstage politics.

It just feels like people are downplaying Superman again. If I like the movie and it is a hit I want a direct sequel. Batman has already had three films and honestly I want him to go away for a while. They are going to have to reboot him anyway because Nolan's Batman just won't fit with a Superman. Give Supes a sequel and then think about a JL or World's Finest film.

 

[Herolee10]

Then why do you want a trilogy? How many trilogies have actually turned out with three great films? Heck, two great films? We don't even know if we have one great film right now.

That's why I said if MOS ends up being a successful enough to create more films in the future.

Also, with a trilogy, it'd be easier to tell a more cohesive story with a good ending in mind...beginning, middle, and end; just like how any well thought out trilogies have been written. And honestly, most of the trilogies that aren't so great, well I'd argue that it's because the creators didn't intend on stopping at the third film and it was only because of the disappointment results in the third film's earnings that they had to stop.

Plus, doing more films past the third film, without a endgame plan just gives more chances on screwing up somewhere down the line.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ And not trying to start a flame war, but nobody complains about Favraue's use of CG, or Whedon or Shane Black's, or any of the Marvel filmmakers and some of their blantant works, outside of the Spider-Man nitpicks.

There's just a double standard, because Superman was on the scene before CG entered the mix. If he were adapted in the 1997+ era of filmmaking, we would be having these "disputes." Many would accept a CG double, and move on.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's why I said if MOS ends up being a successful enough to create more films in the future.

Also, with a trilogy, it'd be easier to tell a more cohesive story with a good ending in mind...beginning, middle, and end; just like how any well thought out trilogies have been written. And honestly, most of the trilogies that aren't so great, well I'd argue that it's because the creators didn't intend on stopping at the third film and it was only because of the disappointment results in the third film's earnings that they had to stop.

Plus, doing more films past the third film, without a endgame plan just gives more chances on screwing up somewhere down the line.

These are what?

The truth is, especially in comic book land, the idea of trilogy shrieks everything down. It makes the world smaller. It isn't a true beginning, middle and end, it is artificially created one. If Nolan wasn't so deadset on a trilogy and just made two more films, imagine how that would have turned out.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ We wouldn't have MOS. WB would just milk Batsy until the well ran dry :/

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There's just a double standard, because Superman was on the scene before CG entered the mix. If he were adapted in the 1997+ era of filmmaking, we would be having these "disputes." Many would accept a CG double, and move on.

or perhaps some were genuinely underwhelmed by the CG shown, without any hidden implication. Just a thought.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

^ And not trying to start a flame war, but nobody complains about Favraue's use of CG, or Whedon or Shane Black's, or any of the Marvel filmmakers and some of their blantant works, outside of the Spider-Man nitpicks.

There's just a double standard, because Superman was on the scene before CG entered the mix. If he were adapted in the 1997+ era of filmmaking, we would be having these "disputes." Many would accept a CG double, and move on.

That is because Hulk and Iron Man are pretty easy considering their make up. Big green guy, metal armor. Hard to mess up. Creating a realistic looking human is something different, especially if they aren't wearing a mask.

 

[Herolee10]

It is going to be hard to top the action here imo. How do you do that? You add Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Hal, Aquaman etc.

I think people need to open up to that fact that you can get MoS2 with a World's Finest or even JL film.

That's kind of an contradiction isn't it? If that was the case, then "The Avengers" would be considered as "Iron Man 3" as opposed to the current "Iron Man 3" that we have now being labeled as "Iron Man 4".

Why should superman's character have to share his film with other heroes for his sequel? Saying that he can't have a successful sequel is like implying that he can't hold a film on his own then. And honestly, while the scale of the action is an important factor, you don't want to lose the heart of the story and truth be told, if MOS didn't look like it had any heart within it, then I doubt some of us would care as much about it as we do now.

It just feels like people are downplaying Superman again. If I like the movie and it is a hit I want a direct sequel. Batman has already had three films and honestly I want him to go away for a while. They are going to have to reboot him anyway because Nolan's Batman just won't fit with a Superman. Give Supes a sequel and then think about a JL or World's Finest film.

I wholeheartedly agree

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It is going to be hard to top the action here imo. How do you do that? You add Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Hal, Aquaman etc.

I think people need to open up to that fact that you can get MoS2 with a World's Finest or even JL film.

Why are you just saying that with Superman though? Have you ever said that about any other hero? Why didn't they just stop at Batman Begins? Of course making a sequel isn't easy but that still doesn't mean that I don't want them to try if MOS is a good flick.

^ And not trying to start a flame war, but nobody complains about Favraue's use of CG, or Whedon or Shane Black's, or any of the Marvel filmmakers and some of their blantant works, outside of the Spider-Man nitpicks.

There's just a double standard, because Superman was on the scene before CG entered the mix. If he were adapted in the 1997+ era of filmmaking, we would be having these "disputes." Many would accept a CG double, and move on.

I agree, people's rose colored glasses for the dated effects in Superman: The Movie is why some find CGI in a Superman film so jarring.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

It just feels like people are downplaying Superman again. If I like the movie and it is a hit I want a direct sequel. Batman has already had three films and honestly I want him to go away for a while. They are going to have to reboot him anyway because Nolan's Batman just won't fit with a Superman. Give Supes a sequel and then think about a JL or World's Finest film.

I would personally rather see a MoS sequel before the Justice League or Worlds Finest movies as well. As a Superman fan since a young age I have lived with basically the same 4 movies my entire life and I am ready to see a fresh new Superman franchise for my mind to enjoy. Even if they don't make it a trilogy, I at least want one really awesome sequel for Snyder to go at.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

^ We wouldn't have MOS. WB would just milk Batsy until the well ran dry :/

Yes we would. Considering what really got WB off their asses to do this film was the impending lawsuit with the Shusters. Hence why it had the original release of late 2012 and was moved to 2013 once things on the legal end started favoring them.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

These are what?

The truth is, especially in comic book land, the idea of trilogy shrieks everything down. It makes the world smaller. It isn't a true beginning, middle and end, it is artificially created one. If Nolan wasn't so deadset on a trilogy and just made two more films, imagine how that would have turned out.

Yeah! Have a nice solid stand-alone trilogy, but keep the world AND CHARACTERS open. If the screenwriters can have other superheroes without losing the sense of focus, fine. But if not, I want MOS 2 and 3 to be compromised.

But no "let's end the Superman story" stuff. Superman goes on and on. This is a dark idea, but I'd love a flashforward to the future in which Superman is just starting to look old, but everyone he knew decades ago is only preserved in old photos. And then he takes off.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

Was Nolan really deadset on a trilogy though ? I thought he wasn't even sure where to take a third film after Heath's death and everything.
Right now, i'm not even thinking about a MOS trilogy. I'm hoping that when i walk out of the theater on June 13th, that i'll be incredibly pleased and happy.

 

[Herolee10]

These are what?

The truth is, especially in comic book land, the idea of trilogy shrieks everything down. It makes the world smaller. It isn't a true beginning, middle and end, it is artificially created one. If Nolan wasn't so deadset on a trilogy and just made two more films, imagine how that would have turned out.

1. The Lord of the Rings

2. The Dark Knight Trilogy

3. Jason Bourne Trilogy

4. Back to the Future

etc.

Of course, I wouldn't call them perfect trilogies but they've done better than most ones.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I'd put the Godfather, Star Wars and Toy Story above the TDK trilogy

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Was Nolan really deadset on a trilogy though ?

he made each movie one at a time, but when it came to the third one, he was zealous in his ideal of a totally closed off ending.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

he made each movie one at a time, but when it came to the third one, he was zealous in his ideal of a totally closed off ending.

Totally. He's not gonna do Batman 4 :

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Was Nolan really deadset on a trilogy though ? I thought he wasn't even sure where to take a third film after Heath's death and everything.
Right now, i'm not even thinking about a MOS trilogy. I'm hoping that when i walk out of the theater on June 13th, that i'll be incredibly pleased and happy.

To be fair I have been using "if" a lot because I don't even know if I'm going to like the first film.

 

[Kane52630]

Oh no...we're back on Batman.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

To be fair I have been using "if" a lot because I don't even know if I'm going to like the first film.

But there are so MANY likable components. Even if it turns out to JUST be a popcorn flick, it'd be a highly effective one.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Batman talk on a Superman discussion thread?

 

[Herolee10]

Also, while I could end up being totally wrong with how MOS ends up being received by everyone, there seems to be real high quality presented within the world shown in MOS.

I personally wouldn't want to really risk tainting it by connecting it to other DC Hero films that could end up being much lesser in quality.

Which is why I wonder at times on why anyone would want to have Ryan Reynolds back as GL for a JLA film since that would mean that we'd have to accept the events of GL as being canon and connected with the likes of MOS and any other DC hero who was able to pull off presenting a great world of their own. Its like tainting it really.