All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - Part 70

[Herolee10]

Looking back at the periods where we would have NOTHING NEW for the longest while, only to get something new finally, I think this gif pretty much sums up that experience:

 

[elgaz]

I'm not really sure if it's the right time for him, but Doomsday fits that bill. A savage force of nature that is all about destroying.

I know a lot of fans don't think much of Doomsday as a villain, but I've always liked him. Superman already has a couple of foes who are more cerebral (Lex, and Brainiac) so Doomsday balances that by being a huge physical force which even Superman - one of the strongest heroes there is - struggles to contend with.

I'm not sure though if Doomsday could be a lead villain in a MOS sequel. If the character is written like in the comics (seemingly devoid of intelligence and any ability to communicate effectively, working on instinct alone) then there wouldn't really be any story arc : the film would just be one massive fight. It would be a great spectacle, but could end up becoming tiresome also. However, NextNolan22 hit the nail on the head - use him as a weapon and you have a much more challenging storyline which can incorporate 2 villains.

Who would be using him as the weapon? That's the question. In the comics, there was a storyline where the Cyborg Superman used his technology to give him some control over Doomsday. This could be modified slightly for the films, and have Cyborg be replaced by Brainiac. A Brainiac who travels from world to world consuming its resources (and using it's ultimate weapon, Doomsday, to deal with any resistance) would present both a very cerebral and physical challenge overall.

 

[Herolee10]

I know a lot of fans don't think much of Doomsday as a villain, but I've always liked him. Superman already has a couple of foes who are more cerebral (Lex, and Brainiac) so Doomsday balances that by being a huge physical force which even Superman - one of the strongest heroes there is - struggles to contend with.

I'm not sure though if Doomsday could be a lead villain in a MOS sequel. If the character is written like in the comics (seemingly devoid of intelligence and any ability to communicate effectively, working on instinct alone) then there wouldn't really be any story arc : the film would just be one massive fight. It would be a great spectacle, but could end up becoming tiresome also. However, NextNolan22 hit the nail on the head - use him as a weapon and you have a much more challenging storyline which can incorporate 2 villains.

Who would be using him as the weapon? That's the question. In the comics, there was a storyline where the Cyborg Superman used his technology to give him some control over Doomsday. This could be modified slightly for the films, and have Cyborg be replaced by Brainiac. A Brainiac who travels from world to world consuming its resources (and using it's ultimate weapon, Doomsday, to deal with any resistance) would present both a very cerebral and physical challenge overall.

The trick with that though is if Doomsday is presented as being as strong as he is in the comics, then he should physically stronger than Brainiac and if Superman is able to defeat Doomsday, then it stands to reason that most would assume that he could take out Brainiac without as much trouble unless Kryptonite was involved.

Plus, how do you top a fight with Doomsday with someone else within the same film?

 

[Smallville13]

Nice new avvy herolee10, it's weird seeing you without Thor, but you've found the light and are representing the best hero now!

I can't believe we're 2 weeks out now. This is nuts. I just can't get over how well done the direction is on this film. Snyder's right the handheld effect really does add so much to it. I wonder if this same style will be used on Krypton or if to emphasis the alien it will be more static shots.

 

[BH/HHH]

What we have to remember is yes Superman taking on a few Kryptonians means he would most likely be able to handle a single poweful villain but different villains offer different threats. Whereas he can handle the Kryptonian's with his fists he would need to use his smarts to take down Brainiac or even Lex Luthor. Of course he may dispatch these in a fight quicker but things aren't always that simple.

I agree that Doomsday could not carry a movie as the main villain but he could be used in a plot with another villain like Lex or Brainiac.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Seriously, why can't it be June 11th??

 

[elgaz]

The trick with that though is if Doomsday is presented as being as strong as he is in the comics, then he should physically stronger than Brainiac and if Superman is able to defeat Doomsday, then it stands to reason that most would assume that he could take out Brainiac without as much trouble unless Kryptonite was involved.

Plus, how do you top a fight with Doomsday with someone else within the same film?

In the comics, Doomsday would probably have been physically stronger than Cyborg - but that didn't stop Cyborg from controlling him anyway. He launched some kind of neural implant and it attached to Doomsday with him barely noticing. Brainiac controlling Doomsday doesn't necessarily mean he has to get anywhere near him or engage him one-on-one ...... he's a very advanced AI and could conceivably have the technology to manipulate Doomsday remotely.

As for topping the fight, I don't know. Does it need topped? When Batman finally beat the Joker in TDK (arguably the film's main villain), he still then had to go and deal with Two-Face ............. but I didn't feel like there was any lack of purpose in doing that, in terms of progressing the story. The 2 villains were suitably different and had different arcs so that it never really felt like once Joker was subdued, everything after was an anti-climax.

Superman could be dealing with Brainiac and Doomsday simultaneously. And once he takes out Brainiac, he could find that without him pulling the strings, Doomsday becomes a totally uncontrolled force of nature and becomes even more dangerous. A wild animal is at its most dangerous when not on a leash.

 

[Herolee10]

Nice new avvy herolee10, it's weird seeing you without Thor, but you've found the light and are representing the best hero now!

I can't believe we're 2 weeks out now. This is nuts. I just can't get over how well done the direction is on this film. Snyder's right the handheld effect really does add so much to it. I wonder if this same style will be used on Krypton or if to emphasis the alien it will be more static shots.

Haha; well I figure that with MOS closely approaching upon us that I change my avatar to represent on how excited I am for MOS.

And yeah, I may be a Superman man, but I think that I'm saying this without bias when I state that I believe MOS has some of the best cinematography that I've seen in a "superhero" film period.

I think Snyder has really found a great balance between blending the "real world" feel with the fantastical elements that Superman's mythology brings to the table.

What we have to remember is yes Superman taking on a few Kryptonians means he would most likely be able to handle a single poweful villain but different villains offer different threats. Whereas he can handle the Kryptonian's with his fists he would need to use his smarts to take down Brainiac or even Lex Luthor. Of course he may dispatch these in a fight quicker but things aren't always that simple.

I agree that Doomsday could not carry a movie as the main villain but he could be used in a plot with another villain like Lex or Brainiac.

Speaking of which, I think it may be the case where the Kryptonians are presented as not being as strong as Superman due to them having received little sunlight radiation compared to Clark, along with the Military providing a nuisance for them as well. The battle of SV is actually a great time to see Superman take on (I really hope he does) more than 3 kryptonians at once since it'd be more logical that he would have a better chance on defending himself against them while they're still new to their powers.

I really do hope that the Kryptonians that are presented on Earth are allowed to show on how scary they can be when they're using their powers to hurt people, thus further emphasizing on how lucky people are that Superman never once lost his temper or went bad when he was younger.

As for Doomsday, if they had to slightly update him, they could definitely highlight on his desire and urge to just kill for his hunger in a very serial killer creepy-like manner. Superman who is the ultimate hero that protects lives goes up against an foe who enjoys taking them.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I've said several times I think that Brainiac and Bizarro/Metallo should be the antagonists in the sequel.

 

[SpitCurl]

In the comics, Doomsday would probably have been physically stronger than Cyborg - but that didn't stop Cyborg from controlling him anyway. He launched some kind of neural implant and it attached to Doomsday with him barely noticing. Brainiac controlling Doomsday doesn't necessarily mean he has to get anywhere near him or engage him one-on-one ...... he's a very advanced AI and could conceivably have the technology to manipulate Doomsday remotely.

As for topping the fight, I don't know. Does it need topped? When Batman finally beat the Joker in TDK (arguably the film's main villain), he still then had to go and deal with Two-Face ............. but I didn't feel like there was any lack of purpose in doing that, in terms of progressing the story. The 2 villains were suitably different and had different arcs so that it never really felt like once Joker was subdued, everything after was an anti-climax.

Superman could be dealing with Brainiac and Doomsday simultaneously. And once he takes out Brainiac, he could find that without him pulling the strings, Doomsday becomes a totally uncontrolled force of nature and becomes even more dangerous. A wild animal is at its most dangerous when not on a leash.

I'd be OK with that. Doomsday is essentially Superman's Joker in that he can't be "reasoned with, etc". He's a force-of-nature like you said, that no amount of talking to is going to dissuade. I suppose Lex could be considered the same, but Lex has his limits. You can push him toward a line that he isn't going to cross. Doomsday... not so much. Brainiac also suffers Lex's fate, in that he's wholly logically.

Superman can come up with a clever way to beat him. But I want (eventually, maybe in film 3) to see Supes just taken to his physical/emotinal limit. I don't need to see him die (what's the point?) but I would like to see him pushed as far as he can go, against a villain who really doesn't give a s**t if the world is destroyed in the process, or everyone in it so long as he comes out on top. Even Zod, I think, has a limit. He may say he's willing to destroy the world, but I think (and not saying it happens in this film) that Superman could eventually reason with him. So yeah, bring on DD for the finale. Popcorn will be at the ready t:

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I've always like the idea of Metallo in a live-action film.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Russell Crowe will make the trek to the 59th Taormina Film Festival, which will open with Zack Snyder’s Superman reboot “Man of Steel” unspooling June 15 in the Sicilian town’s 8,000-seat ancient Greek amphitheater. As previously announced, Snyder and “Steel” protag Henry Cavill, co-star Amy Adams, who plays Lois Lane, and thesp Antje Traue, are all booked to be on hand at the Italo fest, which Warner Bros., and other U.S. studios, are supporting thanks to its congenial summer timing and spectacular setting.

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/russell-crowe-to-join-man-of-steel-in-taormina-1200489609/

*Not sure if this was already posted so I apologize in advance*

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

In the comics, Doomsday would probably have been physically stronger than Cyborg - but that didn't stop Cyborg from controlling him anyway. He launched some kind of neural implant and it attached to Doomsday with him barely noticing. Brainiac controlling Doomsday doesn't necessarily mean he has to get anywhere near him or engage him one-on-one ...... he's a very advanced AI and could conceivably have the technology to manipulate Doomsday remotely.

As for topping the fight, I don't know. Does it need topped? When Batman finally beat the Joker in TDK (arguably the film's main villain), he still then had to go and deal with Two-Face ............. but I didn't feel like there was any lack of purpose in doing that, in terms of progressing the story. The 2 villains were suitably different and had different arcs so that it never really felt like once Joker was subdued, everything after was an anti-climax.

Superman could be dealing with Brainiac and Doomsday simultaneously. And once he takes out Brainiac, he could find that without him pulling the strings, Doomsday becomes a totally uncontrolled force of nature and becomes even more dangerous. A wild animal is at its most dangerous when not on a leash.

I always thought of Doomsday as a weapon, rather than a villain. And I think that's a good plot. Though I think it needs to be in the third film. I think Doomsday is too much for the second. I would rather have Superman and the people around him be challenged EMOTIONALLY more than physically.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

http://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=505470

 

[Sharkboy]

Seriously, why can't it be June 11th??

be glad it's not July 11th

 

[GreenKToo]

I would either like Brainiac for the sequel, or a Lex who makes it his mission to stop superman.
Lex would get his hands on some of the kryptonian tech from the battle in MoS and create most of the superman villains that we know. Bizarro, metallo, parasite.

I really think that after MoS, one villain like metallo just wont do. you will have to have bigger villains or either team a metallo up with someone like bizarro.

But, we have to get through MoS first and see what happens there.

 

[GarudA]

No Bizarro please for the sequals. Am I the only one who is not a fan of Bizarro?

I want to see Brainiac the most.

 

[Smallville13]

I still think just Lex is enough. He is by far Superman's greatest adversary and is more than deserving of his own film. The sequel would follow on from where MOS left and go to the next logical step with the themes being Lex is brought in to amass a new military program that is designed for alien attack after Earth being so unprepared. Of course Lex being Lex would no doubt set the new mechanized equipment on Superman who is finding his new place in the world now outed as their savior, and learning his limits in intervening in foreign conflict and trying to solve world hunger. That's the sequel right there. These things don't need to be bigger on a world-wide threat scale to top the first one. They just need to be bigger for the characters to overcome emotionally. Anyone that says Lex isn't enough for a sequel (and foolishly pointing to SR as the reason why) is not opening their mind up enough.

 

[Sharkboy]

Brainiac, lex, doomsday. Those 3 are enough to fill up the next two films.

 

[Smallville13]

Brainiac, lex, doomsday. Those 3 are enough to fill up the next two films.

How would Brainiac be any different from the alien invasion we're getting in this one though? Will we still get another alien ship over the top of Metropolis as it shoots down a beam to turn it into a bottle city. Ugh. It's been done way too many times in the last few years.

 

[Zionite1]

Army of Bizarros and an Anti-Superman Squad-all under the control of Lex Luthor.No need for Alien Invasion to match the Action scale of MOS 1.
Yes I want action Smallville and I am not reatrded because of that,

 

[Sharkboy]

How would Brainiac be any different from the alien invasion we're getting in this one though? Will we still get another alien ship over the top of Metropolis as it shoots down a beam to turn it into a bottle city. Ugh. It's been done way too many times in the last few years.

That's for them to figure out and me to enjoy.

 

[TeeKay]

Seriously I don't get why people are *****ing about the Avengers not being able to help Tiny in IM3.

1)This is IM3 and not The Avengers 2
2)The events of Phase 2 are happening at the same time.

The avengers won't be in Thor 2,CA 2 and GOTG.

If the Jystice League movie came out and then stand alone movies started coming out after it, do you guys honestly expect Supes to be in a Flash movie, or the whole team to show up in a Wonder Woman movie??

Just my two cents

 

[GreenKToo]

I'll bet real money we'll see who or what the villain is for the sequel in MoS.
So many ways they could go. Brainiac, Doomsday, Darkseid.
Who or What the next villain is isnt necessaily what we'll get tho. If they think Brainiac is the best choice, then so be it. same if its doomsday or darkseid.

That said, it could be someone we havent even mentioned, an off the wall choice like LoBo or something..( not that i'd want him ) or an equally crazy choice.

 

[brownbat2013tx]

i think bizzaro would work best as a tragic figure then an outright adversary. he should appear to be the main villian .but his story should be of an unwilling monster looking for redemption. redemption should mean sacrificial death.